Carbohydrates for the Muscles

[T3hPwnisher]

I will answer your question if you answer mine first

[Andrewgen_Receptors]

Man, just when I thought the dogmatic HIT ways of this thread were over

[jskrabac]

On a related note, how many more superbowl rings do you think Tom Brady would have if he’d been eating waffles for breakfast and training HIT?

[davemccright]

You know that’s a pretty funny point, because I’ve thought on many occasions that the TB12 method is stupid, that Alex Guerrero (his trainer) is a snake oil salesman, and that “pliable muscles” is a term that doesn’t make any kind of sense… yet he’s the most successful quarterback that ever lived, so who cares what I think?

[JamesBrawn007]

@T3hPwnisher

“The discovery of truth is prevented most effectively, no by the false appearance things present and which milsead into error, nor by weakness of the reasoning powers, but by pre-conceived opinions, by prejudice, which as a pseudo a priori stands in the path of truth and is then like a contrary wind driving a ship away from land, so that sail and rudder labour in vain”

I never really explored Schopenhauer but I am going to retain this quote because it’s message is more potent than ever in this age of prejudice. Thanks for sharing.

[marine77]

Good point… Many people look great IN SPITE OF their methods not necessarily because of them.

[SlowTwitch]

@average_al

To flip it around: Why I should look up to someone who got great results primarily because of drugs and good genetics?

If you are being sincere, I 100% agree.

[SlowTwitch]

@nw-lifter

Glycogen storage isn’t that much different on a low carb diet
Muscle tissue solids consist of protein, not glucose/glycogen

I am not sure if your statement is correct or not. Perhaps Dr. Darden could answer this question?

[jskrabac]

What does this mean?

[nw-lifter]

It’s correct, all cells are made from proteins and lipids. Glucose and glycogen are energy, they never make up cells.
Muscle cells are made of proteins/lipids also, the ones we try to build are actin and myosin.

if you do some research on studies, the body will still replenish glycogen in the liver and muscle cells even on a low carb diet. It won’t supercompensate as well as with a high carb diet, but if a person is using a sane HIT program, we never even come close to using hardly any glycogen during a workout. It takes hours of muscle usage to tap out the stored glycogen.

[SlowTwitch]

@nw-lifter

It’s correct, all cells are made from proteins and lipids. Glucose and glycogen are energy, they never make up cells.
Muscle cells are made of proteins/lipids also, the ones we try to build are actin and myosin.

if you do some research on studies, the body will still replenish glycogen in the liver and muscle cells even on a low carb diet. It won’t supercompensate as well as with a high carb diet, but if a person is using a sane HIT program, we never even come close to using hardly any glycogen during a workout. It takes hours of muscle usage to tap out the stored glycogen.

Thanks for the info.

[atp_4_me]

Another reason to maximize carbohydrates in dietary matters.

The glucose-alanine cycle!

Glucose-Alanine Cycle

[pettersson]

I also previously thought of adding this to the debate. Question is when this cycle is turned into action? It seems you need to be in a catabolic state for that to happen, which I interprate into starvation. It’s doubtful this will ever happen to a greater extent if you have the adequate amount of protein through diet in the first place.

Another question is how little carbs is necessary to stay out of harms way (these secondary cycles)? You need some carbs to efficiently shuttle protein into muscle on a cellular level. Thoughts.

[nw-lifter]

no, amino acids can enter the cells just fine without any carbs (blood at basal glucose levels), protein stimulates insulin release on it’s own.

[JamesBrawn007]

The average 70kg person only has capacity to have 4g of glucose in the bloodstream at any one time - and this doesn’t need to be sourced from dietary carbohydrate.

Folks who cite such studies (which regard fasting/starvation states) usually do so to justify ingesting 300g of CHO a day. The classic sledge hammer to crack an egg argument.

[SlowTwitch]

@pettersson

I also previously thought of adding this to the debate. Question is when this cycle is turned into action? It seems you need to be in a catabolic state for that to happen, which I interprate into starvation. It’s doubtful this will ever happen to a greater extent if you have the adequate amount of protein through diet in the first place.

I don’t know about anybody else but I’ve noticed some youtubers promoting Keto and they look overly thin as if their muscles shrunk or went into a catabolic state as you say. One is Dr. Berg, whom in his latest videos looks really thin, his neck especially. I’ve also noticed this with another youtuber promoting Keto (can’t remember his name but he is not from the US and is a former olympic athlete) and his muscles lack fullness and are overly thin and flat. I’ve also noticed people in regular life who go on Keto or Paleo diets to lose weight. They lose the weight but they lack fullness in their muscles and tissues.

[T3hPwnisher]

Muscle glycogen depletion, which would be easily resolved with a small carb up, some salt and some water.

[davemccright]

Brock Lesnar has been keto for 12 years and is monstrous. If you look for something to prove what you believe, you’ll likely find it. This is coming from someone eating Stan Efferding’s monster mash recipe as I type this lol

[SlowTwitch]

That statement applies to what you believe also. Who knows if Lesnar could have been more massive by injecting some carbohydrates in his diet. I would bet that Dr. Darden also believes this to be the case.

[davemccright]

He used to eat carbs. He’s maintained his size without them. I believe his recovery from diverticulitis was the reason for him switching to keto