On a side note, how far does the book delve into the actual biochemistry? I am debating purchasing it.
[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
On a side note, how far does the book delve into the actual biochemistry? I am debating purchasing it.[/quote]
It has a chart in it that looks like this that makes my head hurt every time I look at it.
Dr. Micheal Eades calls it the best low carb book in print, read review here: http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/saturated-fat/the-best-low-carb-book-in-print/
So let me get this straight. In 100,000 years we developed the ability to think, both critically and creatively. However in 20,000 years, we havent even been able to evolve to a point where we can use carbohydrates as a primary energy source?
[quote]eightohfive wrote:
So let me get this straight. In 100,000 years we developed the ability to think, both critically and creatively. However in 20,000 years, we havent even been able to evolve to a point where we can use carbohydrates as a primary energy source?[/quote]
Of course we can use it as a primary energy source. But, is that what you want? Or would you prefer the body to use dietary/body fat as it’s main fuel source.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]eightohfive wrote:
So let me get this straight. In 100,000 years we developed the ability to think, both critically and creatively. However in 20,000 years, we havent even been able to evolve to a point where we can use carbohydrates as a primary energy source?[/quote]
Of course we can use it as a primary energy source. But, is that what you want? Or would you prefer the body to use dietary/body fat as it’s main fuel source.
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Well depends on what your goal is. Obviously, if it fat loss/leanness, fat as the primary fuel source would be preferred. Now the debate has been whether fat as the primary fuel source is optimal for, building muscle or performance.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]eightohfive wrote:
So let me get this straight. In 100,000 years we developed the ability to think, both critically and creatively. However in 20,000 years, we havent even been able to evolve to a point where we can use carbohydrates as a primary energy source?[/quote]
Of course we can use it as a primary energy source. But, is that what you want? Or would you prefer the body to use dietary/body fat as it’s main fuel source.
[/quote]
Uh…wouldn’t that depend on what the hell your goals are?
Look, to get really big and strong muscles that you DON’T see on the general public requires some high performance in the weight room…performance that could be held back by not eating a readily available fuel source like carbs.
This sounds like great news for someone with very below average goals in the gym.
That isn’t me.
[quote]schanz_05 wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]eightohfive wrote:
So let me get this straight. In 100,000 years we developed the ability to think, both critically and creatively. However in 20,000 years, we havent even been able to evolve to a point where we can use carbohydrates as a primary energy source?[/quote]
Of course we can use it as a primary energy source. But, is that what you want? Or would you prefer the body to use dietary/body fat as it’s main fuel source.
[/quote]
Well depends on what your goal is. Obviously, if it fat loss/leanness, fat as the primary fuel source would be preferred. Now the debate has been whether fat as the primary fuel source is optimal for, building muscle or performance.[/quote]
MODOK seems to be doing ok with using at as a primary fuel source 
I’m not saying one way or the other is best for everyone. But, if your goal is fat loss, weight control or health (which is the vast majority) then it is optimal.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]eightohfive wrote:
So let me get this straight. In 100,000 years we developed the ability to think, both critically and creatively. However in 20,000 years, we havent even been able to evolve to a point where we can use carbohydrates as a primary energy source?[/quote]
Of course we can use it as a primary energy source. But, is that what you want? Or would you prefer the body to use dietary/body fat as it’s main fuel source.
[/quote]
Uh…wouldn’t that depend on what the hell your goals are?
Look, to get really big and strong muscles that you DON’T see on the general public requires some high performance in the weight room…performance that could be held back by not eating a readily available fuel source like carbs.
This sounds like great news for someone with very below average goals in the gym.
That isn’t me.[/quote]
I agree. Right now I’m more concerned with feeling better and health than I am muscular size. That said, since I’ve reduced some carbs and limiting my dairy I find it’s hard for me to eat enough calories to maintain my weight, and I’m not a big guy.
So, if I do change my goals to put on some more muscle then I will either have to really focus on eating more of my current foods, or take a simpler approach and include more calories from carbs (which I would probably do first).
MODOK also for the most part dose not train as often or for as long as some. But he is also not against putting away amazing amounts of carbs on weekends. Which according to this whole theory is a big no no. I think as everything with body buidlign it comes down to a very individual things. Your goals, your metabolism, your activity level ect.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]schanz_05 wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]eightohfive wrote:
So let me get this straight. In 100,000 years we developed the ability to think, both critically and creatively. However in 20,000 years, we havent even been able to evolve to a point where we can use carbohydrates as a primary energy source?[/quote]
Of course we can use it as a primary energy source. But, is that what you want? Or would you prefer the body to use dietary/body fat as it’s main fuel source.
[/quote]
Well depends on what your goal is. Obviously, if it fat loss/leanness, fat as the primary fuel source would be preferred. Now the debate has been whether fat as the primary fuel source is optimal for, building muscle or performance.[/quote]
MODOK seems to be doing ok with using at as a primary fuel source
I’m not saying one way or the other is best for everyone. But, if your goal is fat loss, weight control or health (which is the vast majority) then it is optimal.
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But doesn’t he even admit to adding more carbs when he is in a gaining phase?
I agree with your second part.
Low carb simply makes me lose weight. At some point, the muscle will be harder to maintain. The only thing that has gotten me around that was the use of Leucine in the protein supplement.
This advice is seen most often thrown at those who do NOT plan on really standing out. This is NOT what you would throw at hardcore lifters who really plan on building muscle optimally.
Eat however you want when the muscle is already built but please let’s not give off the idea that this is “ideal”.
[quote]barricade wrote:
“Eucaloric replacement of dietary fat by CHO does not induce hepatic DNL to any substantial degree. Similarly, addition of CHO to a mixed diet does not increase hepatic DNL to quantitatively important levels, as long as CHO energy intake remains less than total energy expenditure (TEE).”
and
"Only when CHO energy intake exceeds TEE does DNL in liver or adipose tissue contribute significantly to the whole-body energy economy.
It is concluded that DNL is not the pathway of first resort for added dietary CHO, in humans."
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v53/n1s/abs/1600744a.html[/quote]
This. DNL is not a significant player most of the time. We’ve know forever that ad libitum carbohydrate feedings facilitate higher caloric intakes when compared to carbohydrate restricted feedings. Carbs mostly inhibit fat oxidation. I know Lyle McDonald is laughing his butt off at this somewhere.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]eightohfive wrote:
So let me get this straight. In 100,000 years we developed the ability to think, both critically and creatively. However in 20,000 years, we havent even been able to evolve to a point where we can use carbohydrates as a primary energy source?[/quote]
Of course we can use it as a primary energy source. But, is that what you want? Or would you prefer the body to use dietary/body fat as it’s main fuel source.
[/quote]
Substrate utilization is significant because?
OK, for the good Doctor, Prof X and Modok. Of the three low/no carb formulas out there ( Paleo as written by Wolf, Anabolic Solution by DePascaile and Carb-backloading by Keifer) which one would be best for pure, unabashed, unbridled, unApologetic POWER.
I have utmost respect for those here including Liquidmercury, Dwarf and Bonez so feel free to pipe in as well.
I have been happy with the 25# of pure muscle and its resulting strength gains over the last 15 months without
a lot of thought going into nutrition and I would like to rectify that aspect, done properly.
thank you ALL for your time once again, killerDIRK.
[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
OK, for the good Doctor, Prof X and Modok. Of the three low/no carb formulas out there ( Paleo as written by Wolf, Anabolic Solution by DePascaile and Carb-backloading by Keifer) which one would be best for pure, unabashed, unbridled, unApologetic POWER.
I have utmost respect for those here including Liquidmercury, Dwarf and Bonez so feel free to pipe in as well.
I have been happy with the 25# of pure muscle and its resulting strength gains over the last 15 months without
a lot of thought going into nutrition and I would like to rectify that aspect, done properly.
thank you ALL for your time once again, killerDIRK.[/quote]
For power? I haven’t read all of those scenarios and really don’t want to. I just know that if I train for all out power and size, I had better have some carbs in there to grow.
Look, I am gaining now. I don’t even like eating more carbs but know I have to get them down if I plan on making any progress that anyone else can notice.
You will definitely find me back on low carbs in late spring because I don’t plan to get so far out of shape it takes me months just to get back to where I was in November.
Low carbs and decreasing my rest times (and increasing my training sessions) helped me greatly as far as conditioning. I can now train harder as a result of that, but thinking you can both get freaking huge and work on ultimate conditioning may prove relatively fruitless.
Like I said, I don’t really like “higher carb intake”. It bloats me, gives me gas, and even though I do see muscle gain from it, I also gain more body fat usually because it takes a very large amount of calories for me to see a weight increase…But the ends justify the means…and generally, the low carb nazis are often low in muscle mass too.
[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
OK, for the good Doctor, Prof X and Modok. Of the three low/no carb formulas out there ( Paleo as written by Wolf, Anabolic Solution by DePascaile and Carb-backloading by Keifer) which one would be best for pure, unabashed, unbridled, unApologetic POWER.
I have utmost respect for those here including Liquidmercury, Dwarf and Bonez so feel free to pipe in as well.
I have been happy with the 25# of pure muscle and its resulting strength gains over the last 15 months without
a lot of thought going into nutrition and I would like to rectify that aspect, done properly.
thank you ALL for your time once again, killerDIRK.[/quote]
Given DiPasquale’s background, I’d start there.
From his website: I was a world-class athlete for over twenty years, winning the world championships in Powerlifting in 1976, and the World Games in the sport of Powerlifting in 1981. I was Canadian champion eight times, Pan American champion twice, and North American champion twice. I was the first Canadian Powerlifter to become a World Champion and first Canadian Powerlifter to total 10 times bodyweight in any weight class and I’m the only Canadian to ever total ten times bodyweight in two weight classes.
Mauro
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
OK, for the good Doctor, Prof X and Modok. Of the three low/no carb formulas out there ( Paleo as written by Wolf, Anabolic Solution by DePascaile and Carb-backloading by Keifer) which one would be best for pure, unabashed, unbridled, unApologetic POWER.
I have utmost respect for those here including Liquidmercury, Dwarf and Bonez so feel free to pipe in as well.
I have been happy with the 25# of pure muscle and its resulting strength gains over the last 15 months without
a lot of thought going into nutrition and I would like to rectify that aspect, done properly.
thank you ALL for your time once again, killerDIRK.[/quote]
Given DiPasquale’s background, I’d start there.
From his website: I was a world-class athlete for over twenty years, winning the world championships in Powerlifting in 1976, and the World Games in the sport of Powerlifting in 1981. I was Canadian champion eight times, Pan American champion twice, and North American champion twice. I was the first Canadian Powerlifter to become a World Champion and first Canadian Powerlifter to total 10 times bodyweight in any weight class and I’m the only Canadian to ever total ten times bodyweight in two weight classes.
[/quote]
I assume he ate like he recommends during all of those wins?
Right?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Low carb simply makes me lose weight. [/quote]
No it doesnt. Lower calories makes you lose weight.
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Low carb simply makes me lose weight. [/quote]
No it doesnt. Lower calories makes you lose weight. [/quote]
You know X well apparently…