Carbohydrate-to-Fat Conversion

Before long, my research efforts uncovered studies about the relationship between carbohydrate and fat feeding. Scientists had long wondered whether fat could form from non-fat sources, a point I’ve discussed previously. Farmers, of course, have known that, when animals are fed a grain diet, they rapidly convert carbohydrate into body fat. Thus, it was well understood, by the 1960’s that low-fat, high-carbohydrate diets lead to a rapid conversion of carbohydrate-to-fat. The name of this biochemical process is lipogenesis - lipo meaning fat, genesis meaning new formation - fat formation from carbohydrate.

One important point evolved from early studies regarding the relationship between fat and carbohydrates: â??That carbohydrate utilization depends upon an animal’s previous nutritional state has long been recognized and is supported by an overwhelming amount of evidence. Thus glucose (blood sugar) utilization is depressed in the fasted animal and in the animal fed a diet containing little or no carbohydrate.

"I want you to burn this point into your thinking: one’s habitual dietary intake is a controlling factor in regards to any change in future dietary pattern. This means, for example, that if one consumes a high-carbohydrate diet, he’s conditioned to using carbohydrates. A switch, then, to a high-fat diet creates a metabolic disruption which continues until sufficient time has elapsed for the body to make its adjustments to the dietary switch.

â?¨Other findings support this idea, ‘Generally, dietary carbohydrates increase liver lipogenesis (fat-making from carbohydrate) and the activities of enzymes related to lipogenesis, whereas dietary fats or starvation have the opposite effect.’

In 1955, researchers from Jefferson Medical College, Philadelphia, wanted to see if the liver’s capacity for lipogenesis (fat-making) was different from the capacity of adipose tissue. They concluded: 'Feeding a high-carbohydrate diet stimulated lipogenesis in adipose (fat tissue), which considerably exceeded that found in the liver.

The assumption that adipose tissue is the main site of lipogenesis is supported by the observation of an unimpaired lipogenesis in animals without livers.'And, 'The rate of lipogenesis from available carbohydrates seems to be regulated by the carbohydrate content of the diet.'Finally, ‘Fasting or feeding a high-fat diet abolished lipogenesis in adipose tissue.’

Abolished. Wow! Stopped it altogether. A high-fat diet stops fat making, and a high-carbohydrate diet turns-on fat making. Think about this the next time you read the experts’ recommendations about the healthfulness of the high-carbohydrate diet.

I now had the evidence that high-carbohydrate feeding makes one fat. How fat one becomes, however, depends on calorie balance. This evidence also showed that high-fat/low-carbohydrate feeding doesn’t make one fat as long as calorie intake doesn’t exceed calorie burning.

There was, however, one problem with this research. The adipose tissue and livers had been cut out of these animals, thus isolating the effects of carb feeding from the whole animal. People might argue that real carbohydrate-to-fat conversion doesn’t occur in whole living organisms but only in isolated cell fragments.

Fortunately, it didn’t take long to discover, finally, that diet composition does in fact affect body composition. A 1990 study addressed this issue, providing a head-to-head comparison of two diets: One group of rats ate a high-carbohydrate/low-fat diet (63%-carbohydrate/13%-fat); the other group ate a high-fat/low-carbohydrate diet (63%-fat/13%-carbohydrate). Both groups followed the dietary regimen for forty four days.

â?¨It was beyond argument that these two diets led to dramatic differences in body composition. The high-fat/low-carbohydrate fed rats weighed only two hundred fifty two grams, compared with two hundred eighty two grams for the high-carbohydrate/low-fat fed animals. Most striking was the difference in body fat. The high-fat/low-carbohydrate rats had only twenty three grams of body fat (9% body fat). The high-carbohydrate/low-fat fed group had a whopping sixty five grams of body fat (23% fat).

This was the perfect complementary research to the studies done forty years earlier. It powerfully confirmed that carbohydrates in the high-carbohydrate diet lead to their own conversion to body fat. The clincher was this: rat bodies on the high-fat/low-carbohydrate diet contained more protein (muscles and organs).

Now, let’s think about these studies, above, for a moment. The finding that carbohydrate converts to fat implies that one should eat few carbohydrates. Even more striking is the fact that carbohydrate converts to fat during a calorie deficiency! This implies that diet composition can affect one’s body negatively even if it’s in calorie balance.â?

¨Carbohydrate that’s converted to fat is stored, and those calories are no longer available to the active tissues! This process is called energy-partitioning; from our knowledge of this process we know that eating a calorie doesn’t necessarily mean that that calorie remains available to the active tissues as fuel.
â?¨This is a mind-numbing revelation. This surely adds a new dimension to the calorie tables, doesn’t it?

My growing file of research papers convinced me that high-carbohydrate diets contributed to increases in body fat. These increases occurred at the same time as decreases in muscle tissue. These changes occurred even during times of calorie deficiency. The research papers demonstrated that the mechanism behind these changes was the conversion of carbohydrate to fat.

The fact was, however, that carbohydrate stimulated its own conversion to fat. Certainly, no one knows why this occurs. It’s just an evolutionary fact. I believe the reason behind it is that during man’s evolution little carbohydrate was available as a food source. The body’s metabolic machinery developed in response to the available dietary fare, which was, as we’ve learned, largely meat and fat from animals.

Because this was the primary diet of early humans, the body’s machinery didn’t tolerate carbohydrates very well. But whatever the reason, the body developed a biochemical process to store carbohydrates as fat. We’ll never know, beyond doubt, the real reason why the body did this. But, what we do know is that this is precisely what the body does: it converts carbohydrate into fat.

No amount of argumentation from scientists who don’t like fat will change this fact: carbohydrate stimulates its own conversion into fat.

There’s overwhelming scientific confirmation of these conversions of carbohydrate to body fat, and they date back more than one hundred forty years.

I was, however, at the time, bewildered. The bulk of the scientific community was convinced that fat was the worst thing to eat. In those years, I hadn’t yet stumbled onto Thomas Kuhn’s work describing scientific beliefs and how it’s almost impossible to dethrone these beliefs once it’s discovered they are wrong. The science that I was then studying represented only glitches to the existing glucose-loving belief; there weren’t, at that time, however, enough glitches, yet, to cause a belief system shift.

Thus, I was totally confused as to why, and how, scientists were maintaining the notion that carbohydrates were good and fat was bad. At that time, I could only assume that they didn’t have a solid background in biochemistry.

I now realize that some may, indeed, not have had such a background, but most couldn’t hide behind this excuse, surely not practicing biochemists, as opposed to technically less sophisticated physicians. The fact is that they were, and are, constrained within the confines of the box that’s the one based on the goodness of carbohydrates and its derived glucose.

The outcome of my research was that many scientists supported the low-fat diet and, indeed condemned the low-carbohydrate diet! Scientific studies, it was clear, didn’t support their conclusions. These scientists simply supported - and preached - false dietary protocols. And people listened.

What was their basis for supporting the low-fat diet?

“Eucaloric replacement of dietary fat by CHO does not induce hepatic DNL to any substantial degree. Similarly, addition of CHO to a mixed diet does not increase hepatic DNL to quantitatively important levels, as long as CHO energy intake remains less than total energy expenditure (TEE).”

and

"Only when CHO energy intake exceeds TEE does DNL in liver or adipose tissue contribute significantly to the whole-body energy economy.

It is concluded that DNL is not the pathway of first resort for added dietary CHO, in humans."

http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v53/n1s/abs/1600744a.html

DrGregEllis Well said!!!

Personal story that lead me to the same conclusion:

Buddy died at 33 from a heart attack.

I went to get a medical work up as I was unhealthy.

Found:
Cholesterol to be 244
BP 160
60Lbs overweight
Overwhelming stomach acid

I was prescribed a bag full of med samples.
Refusing meds I cut carbs.

30 days later with zero exercise I lost 30lbs
Cholesterol dropped to 150
BP dropped to 120
Acid was gone.

90 days later I lost a total of 58lbs & no exercise.
Cholesterol still 150

I kicker was I ate cheese by the lbs, meat, eggs and more veggies than I ever ate before.

I ask patients all the time. Why is a cow so fat when all it eats is grass?
Answer, grass is carbs.

I ask, how do you fatten up a cow?
Answer, Grain feed them. Every farmer knows this.

So what about BBers that diet down with plenty of carbs. According to this research they are losing lots of muscle and not losing any fat? Or did i not read that right? Or possibly poor extrapolation? Either way i am digging these posts. Very good info.

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
So what about BBers that diet down with plenty of carbs. According to this research they are losing lots of muscle and not losing any fat? Or did i not read that right? Or possibly poor extrapolation? Either way i am digging these posts. Very good info.[/quote]

Clarify ‘plenty of carbs’

and are you talking about natural bodybuilders or those using anabolic steroids?

I clearly dont have an answer to your question lol but I think the above is relevant

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
So what about BBers that diet down with plenty of carbs. According to this research they are losing lots of muscle and not losing any fat? Or did i not read that right? Or possibly poor extrapolation? Either way i am digging these posts. Very good info.[/quote]

With no references to the studies, I could not see what the designs were like. But, I am not certain whether any of them took into account activity. With the large amount of activity done by dieting BB’s, (cardio and weight training)it is reasonable to assume that if they kept carbs to around the workouts they would primarily be used as fuel or to replenish glycogen levels. Most of those studies I am going to assume are talking about average people that don’t exercise which frankly aren’t going to utilize carbs the same way as a BB.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
So what about BBers that diet down with plenty of carbs. According to this research they are losing lots of muscle and not losing any fat? Or did i not read that right? Or possibly poor extrapolation? Either way i am digging these posts. Very good info.[/quote]

Clarify ‘plenty of carbs’

and are you talking about natural bodybuilders or those using anabolic steroids?

I clearly dont have an answer to your question lol but I think the above is relevant [/quote]

Plenty was very vague. I guess i was thinking of Stu’s log and how he keeps above 100g (not sure of the exact amount) and has high days with more than that all the way up to contest condition. So i was referencing naturals. Exogenous drugs will obviously shift the playing field. Also there is another local competitor that kept during his last prep only got down to low days of 175g and high days were 400g. He is a natural and placed first so he did something right. Not sure of how many low and high days were in his rotation by the end but those are the numbers i was basing my first statement off of. Hope that helps

I would be interested in hearing the thoughts about a more IF type or carb back loading diet where carbs are concentrated post workout so there is only 1 large insulin spike and then remains low for a much larger portion of the day. (not sure exactly how long as the large post workout meal/feeding period would elevate insulin for a while, at least from baseline, while digestion occurred). For me my backload is from 630ish to 930ish. THe rest of time is fasting or pro/fat meals

Please excuse my lack of internet savvy … I am 65 years old ! So I will do my best when replying …

The amount of protein that you REALLY need to build muscle is lower than you think, but you still have to get in enough calories from some place.

Using IF (intermittent fasting) is not going to make your muscle waste away, but will in fact actually utilize more internal sources for AA (amino acids) such as unused enzymes and junk proteins.

Unless you are needing immediate muscle glycogen replenishment for the next day of training (athletes), you don?t need that immediate post workout shake/meal.

There?s a growing interest among exercisers to consume more protein. The argument goes that not getting enough high quality protein will lead to muscle breakdown and hamper performance.

Typically it?s carbohydrates that are emphasized and fat is avoided for all the obvious reasons that we?ve heard about for decades.

Increase protein while keeping fat low is the new mantra.

Well, here?s the rub: fat is the primary fuel of the body, not carbohydrate, but hardly anyone knows this fact. But the body has to burn something.

Without fat ingestion, the body has no need to remodel its fat-processing machinery and relies on its carbohydrate-burning pathways.

Why is this a mistake for your performance and health? Burning carbohydrates for fuel stimulates your liver to convert 66% of all the protein you eat to carbohydrates.

So, you substitute a more expensive food for a cheaper one and you?re still stuck with burning carbs which never optimizes performance.

This isn?t a good trade-off. You need to understand the relation between using fat or carbohydrates as fuel to optimize your exercise and training.

So Dr… how does one go about setting up an eating plan under your guidelines if one’s goal is muscle gain? Do we start with our lean mass protein requirements and go from there (a’la Barry Sears)? And if excess protein is as much a culprit in conversion to glucose, how do we intake more animal fats when the sources are protein sources?

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
So Dr… how does one go about setting up an eating plan under your guidelines if one’s goal is muscle gain? Do we start with our lean mass protein requirements and go from there (a’la Barry Sears)? And if excess protein is as much a culprit in conversion to glucose, how do we intake more animal fats when the sources are protein sources?

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perhaps bone marrow would be a good start :wink:

organs as well

[quote]DrGregEllis wrote:
Burning carbohydrates for fuel stimulates your liver to convert 66% of all the protein you eat to carbohydrates[/quote]Where is this coming from?

[quote]tolismann wrote:

[quote]DrGregEllis wrote:
Burning carbohydrates for fuel stimulates your liver to convert 66% of all the protein you eat to carbohydrates[/quote]Where is this coming from?
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Yeah I am curious as well. If the body is getting ample amounts of carbohydrates to use as fuel. Why would the body convert protein to glucose at a rate of 66%? Gluconeogenesis is not very efficient, and doesn’t make sense from the body’s point of view.

Loving the information and discussions btw.

See, the body would convert protein to glucose in the absence of carbs…

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
See, the body would convert protein to glucose in the absence of carbs…[/quote]

That was what i thought. WIhtout fats and or carbs that would happen not with carbs

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
See, the body would convert protein to glucose in the absence of carbs…[/quote]

That was what i thought. WIhtout fats and or carbs that would happen not with carbs[/quote]

Well I am certain a small amount of protein conversion to glucose happens with everyone, even in the presence of fat or carbs. Type II diabetics for instance have shown to use gluconeogenesis at a rate of three times greater than a normal person. The thing that jumps out at me is the 66% conversion, that just seems ridiculously high, and isn’t making sense to me, for an inherently healthy individual of course.

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Gluconeogenesis is stimulated by the hormone glucagon, which works in a see-saw fashion with insulin. When blood sugars decrease, glucagon is produced to increase gluconeogenesis and raise blood sugars. This would not occur to any substantial degree, let alone 66%, when your diet is primarily carbohydrate.

Is it me, or are we getting a low of “new” people posting in these threads?

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Is it me, or are we getting a low of “new” people posting in these threads?[/quote]

Did you mean a lot? If you did… I don’t know. I don’t post all that often, but some of these threads in the nutrition forum lately have been very interesting.