Carb Loaded: A Culture Dying to Eat

Nutrition
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[quote]calebsmitty wrote:
Carbs are not bad for you, processed foods and added sugar is. When we start to attack added sugar and processed foods and start to educate about the dangers maybe a shift will happen. [/quote]

We can even refine this statement a little bit (pun intended): It’s not even sugar, per se, but rather foods that exacerbate or cause chronically elevated insulin levels.

Add to the fact that many highly refined foods are addictive and it is no wonder people who eat them are overweight and in ill-health. Let’s not even discuss what happens when certain naughty chemicals in the diet are combined with each other in the bloodstream…that’s a whole new ballgame.

The notion of what a proper diet is, like the notion that smoking is unhealthy did, will eventually catch on and it will be normal for people to avoid excessive sugar and processed food just like we tend to avoid smoking now.

Ideas are like wild-fires: at first it’s just a small patch of burned grass and then a wind picks up so that the flames take down the entire forest.

We are experiencing that wind now.

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I dont think the “right” people are saying the right things yet. As corny as it sounds Dr. Oz and his cronies as celebrity health care professionals are a major source of information for the average american. If they were warning people of these dangers then they would listen.

Very few people are like us on this website. The USDA, Celebrity Healthcare Profs., ADA, etc. need to start stressing the dangers of added sugar, processed foods, and Insulin spiking foods.(as LIFTICMAXIMUS said)

An all out blitz against these foods would reset the mindset of people buying and eating junk food in general. It will always be there but would return, hopefully, to a pre 1980s standard where it was a treat eaten on an irregular basis.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]calebsmitty wrote:
Carbs are not bad for you, processed foods and added sugar is. When we start to attack added sugar and processed foods and start to educate about the dangers maybe a shift will happen. [/quote]

We can even refine this statement a little bit (pun intended): It’s not even sugar, per se, but rather foods that exacerbate or cause chronically elevated insulin levels.

Add to the fact that many highly refined foods are addictive and it is no wonder people who eat them are overweight and in ill-health. Let’s not even discuss what happens when certain naughty chemicals in the diet are combined with each other in the bloodstream…that’s a whole new ballgame.

The notion of what a proper diet is, like the notion that smoking is unhealthy did, will eventually catch on and it will be normal for people to avoid excessive sugar and processed food just like we tend to avoid smoking now.

Ideas are like wild-fires: at first it’s just a small patch of burned grass and then a wind picks up so that the flames take down the entire forest.

We are experiencing that wind now.[/quote]

Surely banning unhealthy food is preposterous though, what happened to personal responsibility. All my mates eat junk all week and none of them are fat. Because they don’t continue to stuff themselves to the brink all week long like obese people do and I used to do. Do we really need to solve the problem of adults getting fat? How about fat people know what is making them fat?

The only time I think it needs to be combated is when children are being made fat.

As for grown adults, if they want to get fat and eat junk food until they look like a whale, they should be allowed. Some people are OK with being fat. When that is the case no one has a right to try and change them or even expect them to change, some people are fine with being fat and that is fine with me.

Also is someone on here seriously advocating eugenics and fascism as a way to combat obesity?

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[quote]calebsmitty wrote:
I dont think the “right” people are saying the right things yet. As corny as it sounds Dr. Oz and his cronies as celebrity health care professionals are a major source of information for the average american. If they were warning people of these dangers then they would listen.

Very few people are like us on this website. The USDA, Celebrity Healthcare Profs., ADA, etc. need to start stressing the dangers of added sugar, processed foods, and Insulin spiking foods.(as LIFTICMAXIMUS said)

An all out blitz against these foods would reset the mindset of people buying and eating junk food in general. It will always be there but would return, hopefully, to a pre 1980s standard where it was a treat eaten on an irregular basis.

[/quote]

Well said. There is so much mounting evidence to support this, it’s scary to think why it hasn’t happened yet.

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Another thing I’m suprised of is the accepted diet from the American Diabetic Association for diabetics is still a low fat 60% Carb diet. They recommend frequent small feedings and do not recommend resistance training.

Frequent feedings, as small as they may be spike insulin especially when those feedings are high in Carbs(good or bad). The more insulin is spiked the less sensitive they become and their Diabetes gets worse.

Resistance training can help jump start the body into clearing the extra sugar in a Diabetics blood stream by using that as fuel and thereby stimulating a Insulin Sensitive environment on their next Carb meal. Muscles depletion of Glycogen would encourage them to store said Carbs and increase their insulin efficiency rather than have those carbs float around in the blood.

The way we treat Diabetics and especially borderline Type IIs is rediculous.

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[quote]calebsmitty wrote:
Another thing I’m suprised of is the accepted diet from the American Diabetic Association for diabetics is still a low fat 60% Carb diet. They recommend frequent small feedings and do not recommend resistance training.

Frequent feedings, as small as they may be spike insulin especially when those feedings are high in Carbs(good or bad). The more insulin is spiked the less sensitive they become and their Diabetes gets worse.

Resistance training can help jump start the body into clearing the extra sugar in a Diabetics blood stream by using that as fuel and thereby stimulating a Insulin Sensitive environment on their next Carb meal. Muscles depletion of Glycogen would encourage them to store said Carbs and increase their insulin efficiency rather than have those carbs float around in the blood.

The way we treat Diabetics and especially borderline Type IIs is rediculous. [/quote]

Preachin to the choir dude. I’ve had a T2 diabetic tell me his RD prescribed breakfast was cheerios with skim milk, OJ and a banana (or 1/2 banana can’t recall). Yet this guy was worried when I suggested he eat a few whole eggs and veggies for breakfast.

I’ve talked to numerous other T2 diabetics that are afraid to eat red meat a few times per week, or use butter but they do no fear vegetable oils or margarines.

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[quote]BeginnerBrah wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]calebsmitty wrote:
Carbs are not bad for you, processed foods and added sugar is. When we start to attack added sugar and processed foods and start to educate about the dangers maybe a shift will happen. [/quote]

We can even refine this statement a little bit (pun intended): It’s not even sugar, per se, but rather foods that exacerbate or cause chronically elevated insulin levels.

Add to the fact that many highly refined foods are addictive and it is no wonder people who eat them are overweight and in ill-health. Let’s not even discuss what happens when certain naughty chemicals in the diet are combined with each other in the bloodstream…that’s a whole new ballgame.

The notion of what a proper diet is, like the notion that smoking is unhealthy did, will eventually catch on and it will be normal for people to avoid excessive sugar and processed food just like we tend to avoid smoking now.

Ideas are like wild-fires: at first it’s just a small patch of burned grass and then a wind picks up so that the flames take down the entire forest.

We are experiencing that wind now.[/quote]

Surely banning unhealthy food is preposterous though, what happened to personal responsibility. All my mates eat junk all week and none of them are fat. Because they don’t continue to stuff themselves to the brink all week long like obese people do and I used to do. Do we really need to solve the problem of adults getting fat? How about fat people know what is making them fat?

The only time I think it needs to be combated is when children are being made fat.

As for grown adults, if they want to get fat and eat junk food until they look like a whale, they should be allowed. Some people are OK with being fat. When that is the case no one has a right to try and change them or even expect them to change, some people are fine with being fat and that is fine with me.

Also is someone on here seriously advocating eugenics and fascism as a way to combat obesity?
[/quote]

I don’t advocate for government intervention but rather personal responsibility and market pressure.

People can do what they want as long as they don’t hurt other people.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]BeginnerBrah wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]calebsmitty wrote:
Carbs are not bad for you, processed foods and added sugar is. When we start to attack added sugar and processed foods and start to educate about the dangers maybe a shift will happen. [/quote]

We can even refine this statement a little bit (pun intended): It’s not even sugar, per se, but rather foods that exacerbate or cause chronically elevated insulin levels.

Add to the fact that many highly refined foods are addictive and it is no wonder people who eat them are overweight and in ill-health. Let’s not even discuss what happens when certain naughty chemicals in the diet are combined with each other in the bloodstream…that’s a whole new ballgame.

The notion of what a proper diet is, like the notion that smoking is unhealthy did, will eventually catch on and it will be normal for people to avoid excessive sugar and processed food just like we tend to avoid smoking now.

Ideas are like wild-fires: at first it’s just a small patch of burned grass and then a wind picks up so that the flames take down the entire forest.

We are experiencing that wind now.[/quote]

Surely banning unhealthy food is preposterous though, what happened to personal responsibility. All my mates eat junk all week and none of them are fat. Because they don’t continue to stuff themselves to the brink all week long like obese people do and I used to do. Do we really need to solve the problem of adults getting fat? How about fat people know what is making them fat?

The only time I think it needs to be combated is when children are being made fat.

As for grown adults, if they want to get fat and eat junk food until they look like a whale, they should be allowed. Some people are OK with being fat. When that is the case no one has a right to try and change them or even expect them to change, some people are fine with being fat and that is fine with me.

Also is someone on here seriously advocating eugenics and fascism as a way to combat obesity?
[/quote]

I don’t advocate for government intervention but rather personal responsibility and market pressure.

People can do what they want as long as they don’t hurt other people.[/quote]

I approve this message!

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[quote]BeginnerBrah wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]BeginnerBrah wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]calebsmitty wrote:
Carbs are not bad for you, processed foods and added sugar is. When we start to attack added sugar and processed foods and start to educate about the dangers maybe a shift will happen. [/quote]

We can even refine this statement a little bit (pun intended): It’s not even sugar, per se, but rather foods that exacerbate or cause chronically elevated insulin levels.

Add to the fact that many highly refined foods are addictive and it is no wonder people who eat them are overweight and in ill-health. Let’s not even discuss what happens when certain naughty chemicals in the diet are combined with each other in the bloodstream…that’s a whole new ballgame.

The notion of what a proper diet is, like the notion that smoking is unhealthy did, will eventually catch on and it will be normal for people to avoid excessive sugar and processed food just like we tend to avoid smoking now.

Ideas are like wild-fires: at first it’s just a small patch of burned grass and then a wind picks up so that the flames take down the entire forest.

We are experiencing that wind now.[/quote]

Surely banning unhealthy food is preposterous though, what happened to personal responsibility. All my mates eat junk all week and none of them are fat. Because they don’t continue to stuff themselves to the brink all week long like obese people do and I used to do. Do we really need to solve the problem of adults getting fat? How about fat people know what is making them fat?

The only time I think it needs to be combated is when children are being made fat.

As for grown adults, if they want to get fat and eat junk food until they look like a whale, they should be allowed. Some people are OK with being fat. When that is the case no one has a right to try and change them or even expect them to change, some people are fine with being fat and that is fine with me.

Also is someone on here seriously advocating eugenics and fascism as a way to combat obesity?
[/quote]

I don’t advocate for government intervention but rather personal responsibility and market pressure.

People can do what they want as long as they don’t hurt other people.[/quote]

I approve this message![/quote]

can you change your avatar?

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]BeginnerBrah wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]BeginnerBrah wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]calebsmitty wrote:
Carbs are not bad for you, processed foods and added sugar is. When we start to attack added sugar and processed foods and start to educate about the dangers maybe a shift will happen. [/quote]

We can even refine this statement a little bit (pun intended): It’s not even sugar, per se, but rather foods that exacerbate or cause chronically elevated insulin levels.

Add to the fact that many highly refined foods are addictive and it is no wonder people who eat them are overweight and in ill-health. Let’s not even discuss what happens when certain naughty chemicals in the diet are combined with each other in the bloodstream…that’s a whole new ballgame.

The notion of what a proper diet is, like the notion that smoking is unhealthy did, will eventually catch on and it will be normal for people to avoid excessive sugar and processed food just like we tend to avoid smoking now.

Ideas are like wild-fires: at first it’s just a small patch of burned grass and then a wind picks up so that the flames take down the entire forest.

We are experiencing that wind now.[/quote]

Surely banning unhealthy food is preposterous though, what happened to personal responsibility. All my mates eat junk all week and none of them are fat. Because they don’t continue to stuff themselves to the brink all week long like obese people do and I used to do. Do we really need to solve the problem of adults getting fat? How about fat people know what is making them fat?

The only time I think it needs to be combated is when children are being made fat.

As for grown adults, if they want to get fat and eat junk food until they look like a whale, they should be allowed. Some people are OK with being fat. When that is the case no one has a right to try and change them or even expect them to change, some people are fine with being fat and that is fine with me.

Also is someone on here seriously advocating eugenics and fascism as a way to combat obesity?
[/quote]

I don’t advocate for government intervention but rather personal responsibility and market pressure.

People can do what they want as long as they don’t hurt other people.[/quote]

I approve this message![/quote]

can you change your avatar?[/quote]

I can but I won’t :smiley:

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[quote]BeginnerBrah wrote:

Also is someone on here seriously advocating eugenics and fascism as a way to combat obesity?

[/quote]

No matter how many times I’ve tried, I can’t understand what is fascism.

I’m on board for eugenics though.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]BeginnerBrah wrote:

Also is someone on here seriously advocating eugenics and fascism as a way to combat obesity?

[/quote]

No matter how many times I’ve tried, I can’t understand what is fascism.

I’m on board for eugenics though.

[/quote]

It is a terrible economic system where the state and nation supersede private liberty.It acknowledges class struggle but seeks to unite them rather than overthrow the upper class. It is based on the idea of a state-controlled and regulated mixed economy; the principal economic goal of fascism is to achieve autarky to secure national self-sufficiency and independence, through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.

The unity of the nation is to be based upon suprapersonal connections of ancestry and culture through a totalitarian state that seeks the mass mobilization of the national community through discipline, indoctrination, physical training, and eugenics.

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[quote]BeginnerBrah wrote:

… discipline, indoctrination, physical training, and eugenics.
[/quote]

Are these things bad?

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[quote]BeginnerBrah wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]BeginnerBrah wrote:

Also is someone on here seriously advocating eugenics and fascism as a way to combat obesity?

[/quote]

No matter how many times I’ve tried, I can’t understand what is fascism.

I’m on board for eugenics though.

[/quote]

It is a terrible economic system where the state and nation supersede private liberty.It acknowledges class struggle but seeks to unite them rather than overthrow the upper class. It is based on the idea of a state-controlled and regulated mixed economy; the principal economic goal of fascism is to achieve autarky to secure national self-sufficiency and independence, through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.

[/quote]

I’m confused.

What you just explained is bad?

Minimizing class conflict, securing self-suffiency, independence. These are bad things?

What are some better alternatives? Class warfare? dependence on others?

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]BeginnerBrah wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]BeginnerBrah wrote:

Also is someone on here seriously advocating eugenics and fascism as a way to combat obesity?

[/quote]

No matter how many times I’ve tried, I can’t understand what is fascism.

I’m on board for eugenics though.

[/quote]

It is a terrible economic system where the state and nation supersede private liberty.It acknowledges class struggle but seeks to unite them rather than overthrow the upper class. It is based on the idea of a state-controlled and regulated mixed economy; the principal economic goal of fascism is to achieve autarky to secure national self-sufficiency and independence, through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.

[/quote]

I’m confused.

What you just explained is bad?

Minimizing class conflict, securing self-suffiency, independence. These are bad things?

What are some better alternatives? Class warfare? dependence on others?[/quote]

A society without bureaucracy and a state that sterilizes people maybe… I mean, basic human rights?

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[quote]BeginnerBrah wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]BeginnerBrah wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]BeginnerBrah wrote:

Also is someone on here seriously advocating eugenics and fascism as a way to combat obesity?

[/quote]

No matter how many times I’ve tried, I can’t understand what is fascism.

I’m on board for eugenics though.

[/quote]

It is a terrible economic system where the state and nation supersede private liberty.It acknowledges class struggle but seeks to unite them rather than overthrow the upper class. It is based on the idea of a state-controlled and regulated mixed economy; the principal economic goal of fascism is to achieve autarky to secure national self-sufficiency and independence, through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.

[/quote]

I’m confused.

What you just explained is bad?

Minimizing class conflict, securing self-suffiency, independence. These are bad things?

What are some better alternatives? Class warfare? dependence on others?[/quote]

A society without bureaucracy and a state that sterilizes people maybe… I mean, basic human rights?[/quote]

I’m not for bureaucracy either. Not all eugenics practices involve sterilization, nor would it take emulating the ancient Spartans who flung defective infants off cliffs to develop a higher quality people.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]BeginnerBrah wrote:

Also is someone on here seriously advocating eugenics and fascism as a way to combat obesity?

[/quote]

No matter how many times I’ve tried, I can’t understand what is fascism.

I’m on board for eugenics though.

[/quote]
Fascism is the idea that government can decide market winners and losers. It is a partnership between majority owners and the political class.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]BeginnerBrah wrote:

Also is someone on here seriously advocating eugenics and fascism as a way to combat obesity?

[/quote]

No matter how many times I’ve tried, I can’t understand what is fascism.

I’m on board for eugenics though.

[/quote]
Fascism is the idea that government can decide market winners and losers. It is a partnership between majority owners and the political class.[/quote]

By that definition, not into it.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Yeah, because a fit and muscular few in thousands of people shuffling along the side walks in tank tops is going to get everyone to religiously follow a good diet and exercise program for the rest of their lives.
[/quote]
It’s not even about that.

People see other healthy people and they start asking questions.

Set the example.[/quote]
Doesn’t work. There are already people in shape who answer questions for fat people regularly. And you know what, almost all those people never get in shape. Most people have little to no discipline. There’s actually a culture of fat people who are proud to be fat being developed. There is no way a minority of people in shape are going to influence people who are addicted to junk food to get in shape. Otherwise obesity wouldn’t still be on the rise.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]BeginnerBrah wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]BeginnerBrah wrote:

Also is someone on here seriously advocating eugenics and fascism as a way to combat obesity?

[/quote]

No matter how many times I’ve tried, I can’t understand what is fascism.

I’m on board for eugenics though.

[/quote]

It is a terrible economic system where the state and nation supersede private liberty.It acknowledges class struggle but seeks to unite them rather than overthrow the upper class. It is based on the idea of a state-controlled and regulated mixed economy; the principal economic goal of fascism is to achieve autarky to secure national self-sufficiency and independence, through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.

[/quote]

I’m confused.

What you just explained is bad?

Minimizing class conflict, securing self-suffiency, independence. These are bad things?

What are some better alternatives? Class warfare? dependence on others?[/quote]

Well, no system of government sounds bad on paper. On the contrary, they all sound perfect. If an omniscient and infallible God actually deigned to appoint monarchs, Monarchy by Divine Right would be perfect. If men were not greedy and corrupt, a pure Free Market Democracy would be perfect. If people could genuinely set aside their self interest an embrace egalitarianism in order to strive for the common good, Communism would be perfect. The reality, once you add the human element, is rarely as advertised.