[quote]BeginnerBrah wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Very good posts!
Any thoughts on eugenics?[/quote]
countries that are ugly < eugenics.[/quote]
I don’t understand this post.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]BeginnerBrah wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Very good posts!
Any thoughts on eugenics?[/quote]
countries that are ugly < eugenics.[/quote]
I don’t understand this post. [/quote]
welcome to TN 
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Very good posts!
Any thoughts on eugenics?[/quote]
Not sure if serious…
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Completely serious. I’ve been in favor of this since I ever learned of the word and what it means. I’ve actually developed a monarchical/dictatorial/authoritarian view on government and socioeconomic policies. [/quote]
OK, well if we begin with the assumption that a state mandated breeding program is acceptable, I would say to add in strict food rationing (both content and portions), mandatory daily group physical fitness sessions for all (beginning at 6 or 7 yrs of age), and why not a minimum 5 yr universal military service obligation while we’re at it? You could institute semi-annual physical fitness and body fat testing on an age graduated scale with fines and penalties in the event of failure.
That would almost certainly solve the obesity problem but would create, in the eyes of some at least, a fascism problem (which you acknowledge in your post). Not sure if I’m 100% on board, but I see where you’re coming from.
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Very good posts!
Any thoughts on eugenics?[/quote]
Not sure if serious…
[/quote]
Completely serious. I’ve been in favor of this since I ever learned of the word and what it means. I’ve actually developed a monarchical/dictatorial/authoritarian view on government and socioeconomic policies. [/quote]
OK, well if we begin with the assumption that a state mandated breeding program is acceptable, I would say to add in strict food rationing (both content and portions), mandatory daily group physical fitness sessions for all (beginning at 6 or 7 yrs of age), and why not a minimum 5 yr universal military service obligation while we’re at it? You could institute semi-annual physical fitness and body fat testing on an age graduated scale with fines and penalties in the event of failure.
That would almost certainly solve the obesity problem but would create, in the eyes of some at least, a fascism problem (which you acknowledge in your post). Not sure if I’m 100% on board, but I see where you’re coming from.[/quote]
Good post. I’d also implement mandatory labor service before professional training or college.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
People might still eat too many calories and stay fat. The majority of people have little self-control as the rising obesity numbers show. I’m not sure whether this is due to the addictive quality of junk food or something else, but I doubt most people are going to wake up one day with the ability to control their food intake and lose weight. People are lazy.[/quote]
You really think people would eat too many calories (if that is even the culprit) of beef, eggs, fish, veggies, fruit, nuts?
it takes serious effort to overeat on unprocessed foods. That’s a big reason obesity has not been an issue for that majority of our exicstence.[/quote]I’m not sure to be honest. It’s a possibility though. I think it could help a lot of people. How much of a dent something like that would put in the obesity epidemic is anyone’s guess. But unless people change, there is no way people are going to wake up one day and control their calorie intake. We’re a very small minority that does and makes an effort to.
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
People might still eat too many calories and stay fat. The majority of people have little self-control as the rising obesity numbers show. I’m not sure whether this is due to the addictive quality of junk food or something else, but I doubt most people are going to wake up one day with the ability to control their food intake and lose weight. People are lazy.[/quote]
You really think people would eat too many calories (if that is even the culprit) of beef, eggs, fish, veggies, fruit, nuts?
it takes serious effort to overeat on unprocessed foods. That’s a big reason obesity has not been an issue for that majority of our exicstence.[/quote]I’m not sure to be honest. It’s a possibility though. I think it could help a lot of people. How much of a dent something like that would put in the obesity epidemic is anyone’s guess. But unless people change, there is no way people are going to wake up one day and control their calorie intake. We’re a very small minority that does and makes an effort to.
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Fair point to say you don’t know, neither do I. But, I do know that just 30 yrs ago, most people were able to do so, even when some processed food was available, amazing huh. But, a few major shifts have occurred in 30 yrs.
- low-fat craze, fear of fat
- proliferation of low-fat foods w/more sugar
- more people are exercising now than 30 yrs ago, women were rare to see in gyms then
- food in general is available in more places
- possibly more households with both parents working (I don’t know if true)
- older adults (60-80) who were my age early 30s back then were slimmer, now all of a sudden they are battling weight issues just like most Americans. So, they’re still the same people, yet something has caused them to magically have weight issues. See where I’m going here.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
People might still eat too many calories and stay fat. The majority of people have little self-control as the rising obesity numbers show. I’m not sure whether this is due to the addictive quality of junk food or something else, but I doubt most people are going to wake up one day with the ability to control their food intake and lose weight. People are lazy.[/quote]
You really think people would eat too many calories (if that is even the culprit) of beef, eggs, fish, veggies, fruit, nuts?
it takes serious effort to overeat on unprocessed foods. That’s a big reason obesity has not been an issue for that majority of our exicstence.[/quote]I’m not sure to be honest. It’s a possibility though. I think it could help a lot of people. How much of a dent something like that would put in the obesity epidemic is anyone’s guess. But unless people change, there is no way people are going to wake up one day and control their calorie intake. We’re a very small minority that does and makes an effort to.
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Fair point to say you don’t know, neither do I. But, I do know that just 30 yrs ago, most people were able to do so, even when some processed food was available, amazing huh. But, a few major shifts have occurred in 30 yrs.
- low-fat craze, fear of fat
- proliferation of low-fat foods w/more sugar
- more people are exercising now than 30 yrs ago, women were rare to see in gyms then
- food in general is available in more places
- possibly more households with both parents working (I don’t know if true)
- older adults (60-80) who were my age early 30s back then were slimmer, now all of a sudden they are battling weight issues just like most Americans. So, they’re still the same people, yet something has caused them to magically have weight issues. See where I’m going here.
[/quote]I agree that it would help most people. At least I think it would. There would still be some fat people just like there were 100+ years ago.
I don’t know if this is true, but I’ve heard that if you removed all processed food, you wouldn’t have enough food to feed people. So you have to figure out which is actually harmful long-term and get rid of it, which would probably take more research. Then you have to consider the businesses who make their money from junk food and how to give them a chance to reformulate so they don’t go out of business. Because I’m guessing a lot of people would lose their jobs and there might be a recession if you removed the ability to produce junk food from all these corporations/businesses overnight. It’s probably too complicated to fix. Too much money and jobs on the line.
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
People might still eat too many calories and stay fat. The majority of people have little self-control as the rising obesity numbers show. I’m not sure whether this is due to the addictive quality of junk food or something else, but I doubt most people are going to wake up one day with the ability to control their food intake and lose weight. People are lazy.[/quote]
You really think people would eat too many calories (if that is even the culprit) of beef, eggs, fish, veggies, fruit, nuts?
it takes serious effort to overeat on unprocessed foods. That’s a big reason obesity has not been an issue for that majority of our exicstence.[/quote]I’m not sure to be honest. It’s a possibility though. I think it could help a lot of people. How much of a dent something like that would put in the obesity epidemic is anyone’s guess. But unless people change, there is no way people are going to wake up one day and control their calorie intake. We’re a very small minority that does and makes an effort to.
[/quote]
Fair point to say you don’t know, neither do I. But, I do know that just 30 yrs ago, most people were able to do so, even when some processed food was available, amazing huh. But, a few major shifts have occurred in 30 yrs.
- low-fat craze, fear of fat
- proliferation of low-fat foods w/more sugar
- more people are exercising now than 30 yrs ago, women were rare to see in gyms then
- food in general is available in more places
- possibly more households with both parents working (I don’t know if true)
- older adults (60-80) who were my age early 30s back then were slimmer, now all of a sudden they are battling weight issues just like most Americans. So, they’re still the same people, yet something has caused them to magically have weight issues. See where I’m going here.
[/quote]I agree that it would help most people. At least I think it would. There would still be some fat people just like there were 100+ years ago.
I don’t know if this is true, but I’ve heard that if you removed all processed food, you wouldn’t have enough food to feed people. So you have to figure out which is actually harmful long-term and get rid of it, which would probably take more research. Then you have to consider the businesses who make their money from junk food and how to give them a chance to reformulate so they don’t go out of business. Because I’m guessing a lot of people would lose their jobs and there might be a recession if you removed the ability to produce junk food from all these corporations/businesses overnight. It’s probably too complicated to fix. Too much money and jobs on the line.[/quote]
yeah, that’s been said. BUT… has it ever been tried? Americans throw away so much food and consume probably too much.
Big Food probably wants us to believe the world can’t be fed w/o them.
Also, at what point should the taboo be brought up and perhaps we need to look at limiting the world population.
And what POLITICIAN is going to restructure our country in a way that a race of T-men and T-women is created? NONE!
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
yeah, that’s been said. BUT… has it ever been tried? Americans throw away so much food and consume probably too much.
Big Food probably wants us to believe the world can’t be fed w/o them.
Also, at what point should the taboo be brought up and perhaps we need to look at limiting the world population.[/quote]
hehe Big Food. Haven’t heard that one before. I think it should be tried, just that it will take a lot of research and time to do and it would take a long time to see results. What Michelle Obama is trying to do won’t work.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
1)No thanks to the unrefined wheat.
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I’ve eaten 1000 shit calories before.
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There were indiscplined fat people 100 years ago. [/quote]
Undisciplined fat people?! The only fat people 100 years ago were wealthy.
My point stands. Modern times provides cheap calories in the form of highly refined seeds that were not available 100 years ago.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Alright folks, what policies and programs do you consider will be the best to completely rewire our country’s economy, industries, lifestyles, healthcare and educational systems, and physical education programs so that there will be less fat and unhealrhy and indiscipline people?
Eugenics is one step in the right direction.
Please provide input.
I have other ideas as well. [/quote]
None.
People like me are already on it.
Set the example and if it is good people will follow.
I don’t like government telling me what to do and I don’t think it is in anyone’s best interest to have “policy” decide what we should do.
I know what I should do but sometimes I break my own rules because living is more important.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I don’t like government telling me what to do and I don’t think it is in anyone’s best interest to have “policy” decide what we should do.
I know what I should do but sometimes I break my own rules because living is more important.[/quote]
Bro, what delusional fairy tale world in which government isn’t a necessary burden (to a degree of course because normal people don’t want tyranny) are you speaking. And where does irresponsible belief that the leaders and most influential people in a society shouldn’t be held accountable for the standards of a people or upholding a civilization or culture come from?
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Set the example and if it is good people will follow.
[/quote]
Yeah, because a fit and muscular few in thousands of people shuffling along the side walks in tank tops is going to get everyone to religiously follow a good diet and exercise program for the rest of their lives.
It won’t require any large scale public health or educational efforts or use of mass media. They’ll just see you walking around and follow suit or me with my tupperware lunches and shakes at work or when I order a steak, potato and salad when I’m dining out.
You are law abiding, right?
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I don’t like government telling me what to do and I don’t think it is in anyone’s best interest to have “policy” decide what we should do.
I know what I should do but sometimes I break my own rules because living is more important.[/quote]
Bro, what delusional fairy tale world in which government isn’t a necessary burden (to a degree of course because normal people don’t want tyranny) are you speaking. And where does irresponsible belief that the leaders and most influential people in a society shouldn’t be held accountable for the standards of a people or upholding a civilization or culture come from?
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I think it’s cute you still believe in what you speak of.
I don’t believe politicians have my best interest in mind.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Yeah, because a fit and muscular few in thousands of people shuffling along the side walks in tank tops is going to get everyone to religiously follow a good diet and exercise program for the rest of their lives.
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It’s not even about that.
People see other healthy people and they start asking questions.
Set the example.
Welcome to the board, BeginnerBrah.
[quote]chillain wrote:
Welcome to the board, BeginnerBrah.
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Thanks man!
I think in the near future we will have the government treating junk/processed food the way we did the Tobacco industry. That may force a shift in mindset.
At the bottom line the vast majority of the USA is ignorant to nutritional issues. They only know what they are told. Look how much of an influence the low fat craze made. We are still dealing with it. All but a handful of educated outliers still believe fat and cholesterol is bad for you.
Carbs are not bad for you, processed foods and added sugar is. When we start to attack added sugar and processed foods and start to educate about the dangers maybe a shift will happen.
I can remember about 15 years ago thinking I had to cut out all fat from my diet but didn’t worry about chips and candy, etc. because I was constantly told fat was the culprit. High carb diets were popular. It wasn’t until I started seriously training I started learning how to manipulate macros. But I still didn’t think twice about eating added sugar whenever I felt. Only to find out the biggest factor in elevated blood cholesterol is added sugar and refined carbs found in processed foods. Since then I have almost completely eliminated that from my diet and all my labs and markers are drastically improved.
Again. Carbs(complex) are not the danger but processed refined carbs and added sugar is. Both have increased in production and consumption since the 80s.