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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Brazil wrote:

[quote]Liv92 wrote:

yeah 405 bench that doesn’t imply a strong person… they’re just good at benching ya know?

/sarcasm
[/quote]

Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying.

[quote]Liv92 wrote:

Usain Bolt isn’t a fast person, hes just a good sprinter ya kno?

[/quote]

Good Sprinter // Fast = Strong Person // High Bench?

That’s a terrible analogy, dude.[/quote]

You’re an idiot.

What fucking person that can bench press 405lbs for reps is NOT strong?

His analogies were spot on. You just seem to not get it.[/quote]

Fact: a good sprinter is fast.

If you think “being strong” is entirely dependent on the bench press, then that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. If, however, you think that the squat and deadlift are important for “being strong”, then the above analogy is inaccurate. Surely, you’ve met someone with a high bench but nothing impressive in the other two lifts.

The egotistical idiot here is you.

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If you can benchpress 405 then you are strong, no ifs or buts, you’re strong. Now, can you not bench 405 and still be strong? Sure, benchpress isn’t the only way to measure strength but that doesn’t change the fact that you have to be strong to benchpress 405. A weak person will not be able to benchpress 405.

This really shouldn’t be difficult to understand.

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[quote]MODOK wrote:

[quote]roncesvalles wrote:
so tell us now prof x (and modok), how did you train when you we’re that young and how did you became so f*cking strong? did you follow training a musclegroup once a week? give us some insight pls ;)[/quote]

Don’t do a hell of a lot of reading on this site, do ya? lol[/quote]

Wait - do you have a ‘How Do You Train?’ thread floating around these parts? If not, would it be safe to say the Alpha Round Tables and BBB thread(s) give a pretty clear picture of what you would say if there was one?

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[quote]Brazil wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Brazil wrote:

[quote]Liv92 wrote:

yeah 405 bench that doesn’t imply a strong person… they’re just good at benching ya know?

/sarcasm
[/quote]

Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying.

[quote]Liv92 wrote:

Usain Bolt isn’t a fast person, hes just a good sprinter ya kno?

[/quote]

Good Sprinter // Fast = Strong Person // High Bench?

That’s a terrible analogy, dude.[/quote]

You’re an idiot.

What fucking person that can bench press 405lbs for reps is NOT strong?

His analogies were spot on. You just seem to not get it.[/quote]

Fact: a good sprinter is fast.

If you think “being strong” is entirely dependent on the bench press, then that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. If, however, you think that the squat and deadlift are important for “being strong”, then the above analogy is inaccurate. Surely, you’ve met someone with a high bench but nothing impressive in the other two lifts.

The egotistical idiot here is you.[/quote]

Who gives a shit about the other two lifts? If you never train legs, your squat won’t be big. We aren’t talking about people who don’t train entire muscle groups. How the fuck can someone be WEAK yet bench press over 400lbs for reps?

That is what you are claiming, that weak people are throwing up HUGE numbers on exercises.

You are a fucking clown.

Most really big bodybuilders are NOT weak. You also won’t be finding any recent Mr. Olympias who literally can’t press anything equivalent to that weight even if they quit using the barbell.

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I am 13 and bench 900 lbs.
No steroids, just creatine and hgh.

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[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
I am 13 and bench 900 lbs.
No steroids, just creatine and hgh.[/quote]
is that meant to be funny?

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[quote]Brazil wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Brazil wrote:

[quote]Liv92 wrote:

yeah 405 bench that doesn’t imply a strong person… they’re just good at benching ya know?

/sarcasm
[/quote]

Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying.

[quote]Liv92 wrote:

Usain Bolt isn’t a fast person, hes just a good sprinter ya kno?

[/quote]

Good Sprinter // Fast = Strong Person // High Bench?

That’s a terrible analogy, dude.[/quote]

You’re an idiot.

What fucking person that can bench press 405lbs for reps is NOT strong?

His analogies were spot on. You just seem to not get it.[/quote]

Fact: a good sprinter is fast.

If you think “being strong” is entirely dependent on the bench press, then that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. If, however, you think that the squat and deadlift are important for “being strong”, then the above analogy is inaccurate. Surely, you’ve met someone with a high bench but nothing impressive in the other two lifts.

The egotistical idiot here is you.[/quote]

Dude are you fucking crazy??? What person that can bench 405 isn’t strong? Do you know wtf your saying dude, seriously?

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[quote]Liv92 wrote:

[quote]Brazil wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Brazil wrote:

[quote]Liv92 wrote:

yeah 405 bench that doesn’t imply a strong person… they’re just good at benching ya know?

/sarcasm
[/quote]

Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying.

[quote]Liv92 wrote:

Usain Bolt isn’t a fast person, hes just a good sprinter ya kno?

[/quote]

Good Sprinter // Fast = Strong Person // High Bench?

That’s a terrible analogy, dude.[/quote]

You’re an idiot.

What fucking person that can bench press 405lbs for reps is NOT strong?

His analogies were spot on. You just seem to not get it.[/quote]

Fact: a good sprinter is fast.

If you think “being strong” is entirely dependent on the bench press, then that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. If, however, you think that the squat and deadlift are important for “being strong”, then the above analogy is inaccurate. Surely, you’ve met someone with a high bench but nothing impressive in the other two lifts.

The egotistical idiot here is you.[/quote]

Dude are you fucking crazy??? What person that can bench 405 isn’t strong? Do you know wtf your saying dude, seriously?
[/quote]

some people would rather debate semantics it seems…

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Guys, please educate me:

how likely is it to bp 400lbs natural?

Those who read my posts know, I am liberal towards drug use, don’t want to downplay this feat of strength nor the hard work it takes - not in the slightest.
It’s quite an acomplishment.

I ask because a lot of experienced (german) lifters I dealt with or read from find this idea unrealistic.

If someone did this naturally, please speak up! I’m really curious here.

Stay strong-pressing!
-S.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Guys, please educate me:

how likely is it to bp 400lbs natural?

Those who read my posts know, I am liberal towards drug use, don’t want to downplay this feat of strength nor the hard work it takes - not in the slightest.
It’s quite an acomplishment.

I ask because a lot of experienced (german) lifters I dealt with or read from find this idea unrealistic.

If someone did this naturally, please speak up! I’m really curious here.

Stay strong-pressing!
-S.[/quote]

I dd it naturally. What are you talking about? I could do it in that pic I post when I only weighed 210lbs (even though I dieted to that from about 225 or more).

This question was real? You thought everyone who benched 400lbs was on drugs?

YOU may not be able to. That doesn’t mean the rest of us can’t.

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[quote]MODOK wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]MODOK wrote:

[quote]roncesvalles wrote:
so tell us now prof x (and modok), how did you train when you we’re that young and how did you became so f*cking strong? did you follow training a musclegroup once a week? give us some insight pls ;)[/quote]

Don’t do a hell of a lot of reading on this site, do ya? lol[/quote]

Wait - do you have a ‘How Do You Train?’ thread floating around these parts? If not, would it be safe to say the Alpha Round Tables and BBB thread(s) give a pretty clear picture of what you would say if there was one?[/quote]

I don’t have a “how Do You Train” thread, but I’ve laid out in detail my training program in those 19-23 year old timeframe where I had that great burst of gains. Its in either BBB or the Alpha Thread “Bodypart Once Weekly”. Plus, I’ve talked about it in conversation for years. [/quote]

Yeah, your posts in the BBB thread are what sold me on giving that program a shot.

Just making sure I didn’t miss anything.

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[quote]MODOK wrote:
I did it naturally too. What the fuck is this sport coming to. Its 400 lbs, not 600. God damn, people.[/quote]

The problem: Too many average people jumping into A VERY SERIOUS SPORT LIKE BODYBUILDING while thinking they can look like the really big guys without being so serious.

This activity is NOT for guys who act like they would rather debate the meaning of the word strength than actually become strong themselves.

Pathetic is a good word for it.

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No, I really don’t know.

This is really a question of standards I guess, I already wrote once that in Germany, pressing 100 KGs (220lbs) is considered “strong” and people brag about this, because:

  1. it’s a nice number, and probably only a very small number of people can do this the first time they try to bp, so they think it’s an accomplishment
  2. no football or similar popular sport where lifting for mass & strength is part of the game.
  3. culturally, training for strength is frowned upon while cardio and ball related sports are considered the epitome of grace and agility.

Like I said, there are coaches who’d claim a that steroids would come a LONG way before 400lbs.

Interesting. Thanks for clarifying.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
No, I really don’t know.

This is really a question of standards I guess, I already wrote once that in Germany, pressing 100 KGs (220lbs) is considered “strong” and people brag about this, because:

  1. it’s a nice number, and probably only a very small number of people can do this the first time they try to bp, so they think it’s an accomplishment
  2. no football or similar popular sport where lifting for mass & strength is part of the game.
  3. culturally, training for strength is frowned upon while cardio and ball related sports are considered the epitome of grace and agility.

Like I said, there are coaches who’d claim a that steroids would come a LONG way before 400lbs.

Interesting. Thanks for clarifying.
[/quote]

Those coaches need to get out more. Granted, only very serious weight lifters are ever even going to get to pushing 400+lbs for reps without a spotter, but that doesn’t mean it is such a substantial weight that drugs are needed. It just takes a hell of a lot more than the “I train 3 times a week because I live in the real world” mentality.

In fact, I would say that unless you can bench anywhere near 405 for reps naturally, why the hell would you even use anabolic steroids? You clearly don’t have the genetics for this unless you are one of those who has some extreme reaction to drug use.

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Lol @ drugs to bench 405.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Guys, please educate me:

how likely is it to bp 400lbs natural?

Those who read my posts know, I am liberal towards drug use, don’t want to downplay this feat of strength nor the hard work it takes - not in the slightest.
It’s quite an acomplishment.

I ask because a lot of experienced (german) lifters I dealt with or read from find this idea unrealistic.

If someone did this naturally, please speak up! I’m really curious here.

Stay strong-pressing!
-S.[/quote]

Natural.

I would’ve taken if I could though, but it was not worth getting caught.

405 is a very difficult number for most anyone to bench press. Even more difficult if you don’t put some major mass on, which is why I think most people will never hit it. If you are floating around the 180-210, you are going to have to be one very strong explosive guy to get it.

With enough consistency and hard work, gaining strength and muscle every week it is possible for most anyone.

Preachin to the choir.

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[quote]vikingrob wrote:

405 is a very difficult number for most anyone to bench press. Even more difficult if you don’t put some major mass on
[/quote]

That alone is the main issue. Most of these guys won’t ever get there because they are afraid to gain weight. I wasn’t. I got big and strong very early on because I knew my time was limited from the beginning.

I also know most of these guys will be even LESS likely to reach that point because they wait until they are damn near 30 or 40 to try make up for lost time that they won’t get back.

You will NEVER grow the same way again as you do between the ages of about 18-24. If you are planning on getting really big, you do NOT have forever to make it happen.

I am in my early 30’s. I am done “bulking” in the strict sense of the word. I already put my time in and paid my dues.

Most won’t.

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Sigh… oh all right. I’ll buy in. I’m 18 and benching 255 right now. If I can’t get it in 2 years (24 months), then I’ll call it quits on lifting and take up jazzercise. Wait… that might be too physically strenuous…

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censorship at its best!

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I hit 415 when I was 20 at 255-260. I am now 21 at 270, best lifts are 420 lb bench, 585 lb squat, and 170 kg clean all raw. There definitely should be more people under 23 hitting 400+ benches and 500+ squats, but the technique, programs and diet of most young lifters are simply inadequate to reach these lifting goals.