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Andrew_Live,

What was your starting weight??

I don’t understand why everyone is flaming him soo hard, he’s been working out for 3 years but depending on where he started he may have improved by leaps and bounds! I started lifting at 122lbs at 5’10, if he started off as a rail like I did then 220lbs in 3 years is much better progress then most people on this site. Even if he started off at 150lbs, 70lbs is nothing to be ashamed of. Could he have made better progress, sure? but without knowing where he started how is it okay for people to say he hasn’t made shit for progress, especially when so many people on this site don’t seem to be making any progress??

So before the flaming continues, what was your weight 3 years ago Andrew (or wasn’t your real name dale or dave)?

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Andrew, there has been some pretty tough love here for you, maybe some of it was just tough and not much love, but just so you don’t get too discouraged. You do have some nice lifts, if you are concerned about your appearance, I would just adjust your training to incorporate some more volume and bodypart specific training. Obviously you need to ramp back on your Powerlifting to avoid overtaining. But you can focus on one thing while still progressing, albeit a bit slower on another.

Actually, backing off your focus of powerlifting and adding a little beach muscle may help you improve even more on your powerlifting. I know I have heard people say that your leverages as well as ROM and stuff changes when you get thicker. If you don’t really give two craps though, just keep PLing, you will grow in size, just make sure to periodically check for imbalances and weakpoints. I’m sure you can find hundreds of articles on such topics right here if that be the case.

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[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
Andrew_Live,

What was your starting weight??

I don’t understand why everyone is flaming him soo hard, he’s been working out for 3 years but depending on where he started he may have improved by leaps and bounds! I started lifting at 122lbs at 5’10, if he started off as a rail like I did then 220lbs in 3 years is much better progress then most people on this site. Even if he started off at 150lbs, 70lbs is nothing to be ashamed of. Could he have made better progress, sure? but without knowing where he started how is it okay for people to say he hasn’t made shit for progress, especially when so many people on this site don’t seem to be making any progress??

So before the flaming continues, what was your weight 3 years ago Andrew (or wasn’t your real name dale or dave)?[/quote]

He’s getting flamed because he started a thread asking us to pick out who’s 220 lb of mass, him or his pre-pubescent friend who’s 70 lb lighter. FAIL

See PX’s last post as to why that’s a faulty measuring stick of progress and achievement.

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[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
Andrew_Live,

What was your starting weight??

I don’t understand why everyone is flaming him soo hard, he’s been working out for 3 years but depending on where he started he may have improved by leaps and bounds! I started lifting at 122lbs at 5’10, if he started off as a rail like I did then 220lbs in 3 years is much better progress then most people on this site. Even if he started off at 150lbs, 70lbs is nothing to be ashamed of. Could he have made better progress, sure? but without knowing where he started how is it okay for people to say he hasn’t made shit for progress, especially when so many people on this site don’t seem to be making any progress??

So before the flaming continues, what was your weight 3 years ago Andrew (or wasn’t your real name dale or dave)?[/quote]

Well said, I believe he started at like 160 if I remember correctly. And yes 60 Lbs is pretty darn good for 3 years. He is still quite young too, I mean shit, if he gains half of that over the next 3 years kid will be a solid 250, at 6’ thats pretty close to monster status. But, haters gonna hate of course.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
Andrew_Live,

What was your starting weight??

I don’t understand why everyone is flaming him soo hard, he’s been working out for 3 years but depending on where he started he may have improved by leaps and bounds! I started lifting at 122lbs at 5’10, if he started off as a rail like I did then 220lbs in 3 years is much better progress then most people on this site. Even if he started off at 150lbs, 70lbs is nothing to be ashamed of. Could he have made better progress, sure? but without knowing where he started how is it okay for people to say he hasn’t made shit for progress, especially when so many people on this site don’t seem to be making any progress??

So before the flaming continues, what was your weight 3 years ago Andrew (or wasn’t your real name dale or dave)?[/quote]

Well said, I believe he started at like 160 if I remember correctly. And yes 60 Lbs is pretty darn good for 3 years. He is still quite young too, I mean shit, if he gains half of that over the next 3 years kid will be a solid 250, at 6’ thats pretty close to monster status. But, haters gonna hate of course.

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Hating? Let me be very specific here even though I have written this several times.

There is a huge fucking difference between the way many of these guys are looking lately at certain weights and I would blame their training choices as to why. They, like he just wrote, believe “bodybuilding” and strength training" do not go together.

Someone fucking LIED to them.

That is why their shoulders lack any development, their backs aren’t filled out, their biceps are small, their chests are tiny and their legs and wider hips are more of what stands out.

Discuss.

I hope that was crystal clear that time. No one said he made no gains at all.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
Andrew_Live,

What was your starting weight??

I don’t understand why everyone is flaming him soo hard, he’s been working out for 3 years but depending on where he started he may have improved by leaps and bounds! I started lifting at 122lbs at 5’10, if he started off as a rail like I did then 220lbs in 3 years is much better progress then most people on this site. Even if he started off at 150lbs, 70lbs is nothing to be ashamed of. Could he have made better progress, sure? but without knowing where he started how is it okay for people to say he hasn’t made shit for progress, especially when so many people on this site don’t seem to be making any progress??

So before the flaming continues, what was your weight 3 years ago Andrew (or wasn’t your real name dale or dave)?[/quote]

Well said, I believe he started at like 160 if I remember correctly. And yes 60 Lbs is pretty darn good for 3 years. He is still quite young too, I mean shit, if he gains half of that over the next 3 years kid will be a solid 250, at 6’ thats pretty close to monster status. But, haters gonna hate of course.

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Hating? Let me be very specific here even though I have written this several times.

There is a huge fucking difference between the way many of these guys are looking lately at certain weights and I would blame their training choices as to why. They, like he just wrote, believe “bodybuilding” and strength training" do not go together.

Someone fucking LIED to them.

That is why their shoulders lack any development, their backs aren’t filled out, their biceps are small, their chests are tiny and their legs and wider hips are more of what stands out.

Discuss.

I hope that was crystal clear that time. No one said he made no gains at all.[/quote]

Obviously thats exactly what I told him and the harterz gonna hate was tounge in cheek there big poppy. But there were some people who were just being harsh with no constructive criticism, I like the kid because if people make suggestions, he will politely listen and thank you for offering your advice, it’s kinda rare you know.

And I’m not saying he needs kid gloves, it’s obvious he doesn’t, he has taken the harshness in this and several other threads in stride and has not once that I have seen, reverted to just throwing insults at people or being a douche, so from me he is going to get contructive criticism, ball breaking and respect. Anyways, I think he will get the message that there is a happy place in between powerlifting and bodybuilding where most people will find the best of both worlds.

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Can’t believe Prof skipped over my post of Miss. Solei to reply the comments about Andrew. haha jk.

Andrew - Are you going to compete in PL? Are you looking to become a title holder in Canada?
You can ALWAYS do small 15min. workouts to target isolation exercises. Hell I’m an ATHLETE, not a lifter…and I still try to get in some “beach work” in…why? It balances everything out man, and it makes yourself look better. If your training hard already, why not show something for it as well? I’m not saying you look bad, but I think you could look a lot better. And again if your not looking to become a title holder…you can become very strong and build a good physique. Do you really think sets of lateral raises, rear raises are really gonna hurt? Do you think curls are gonna hurt something? Extra back assistance AFTER your main rows/one arm rows whatever. Definately not, it’ll probably make you look better and fix posture as well.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
Andrew_Live,

What was your starting weight??

I don’t understand why everyone is flaming him soo hard, he’s been working out for 3 years but depending on where he started he may have improved by leaps and bounds! I started lifting at 122lbs at 5’10, if he started off as a rail like I did then 220lbs in 3 years is much better progress then most people on this site. Even if he started off at 150lbs, 70lbs is nothing to be ashamed of. Could he have made better progress, sure? but without knowing where he started how is it okay for people to say he hasn’t made shit for progress, especially when so many people on this site don’t seem to be making any progress??

So before the flaming continues, what was your weight 3 years ago Andrew (or wasn’t your real name dale or dave)?[/quote]

Well said, I believe he started at like 160 if I remember correctly. And yes 60 Lbs is pretty darn good for 3 years. He is still quite young too, I mean shit, if he gains half of that over the next 3 years kid will be a solid 250, at 6’ thats pretty close to monster status. But, haters gonna hate of course.

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Hating? Let me be very specific here even though I have written this several times.

There is a huge fucking difference between the way many of these guys are looking lately at certain weights and I would blame their training choices as to why. They, like he just wrote, believe “bodybuilding” and strength training" do not go together.

Someone fucking LIED to them.

That is why their shoulders lack any development, their backs aren’t filled out, their biceps are small, their chests are tiny and their legs and wider hips are more of what stands out.

Discuss.

I hope that was crystal clear that time. No one said he made no gains at all.[/quote]

I gotta go with X here. This is the same trap I have/had fallen into. After 4 years of solid training, I see that I am not as big as I would have hoped- main reason being I stayed away from “hi-rep BB training” thinking I wouldn’t move severe poundage. I saw the error in my ways when guys came on here and, within a year or so, were moving weights close to my level while looking better.

I messed up. My training wasn’t on par with where I should have been. I started “advanced” powerlifting routines before I had even built a base to build off of. Now I am still playing catchup. I currently use ideas from powerlifting, strongman, and bodybuilding in my training and I am making great gains for my current situation.

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[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
Andrew_Live,

What was your starting weight??

So before the flaming continues, what was your weight 3 years ago Andrew (or wasn’t your real name dale or dave)?[/quote]

I weighed 160lbs 3 yrs ago. I was a marathon runner. Andrew is my middle name and I think it kicks ass. Truth be told Ive had a gym membership for almost 3 years now but I would have to say that I have only been seriously training for 1 year which coincidentally is when I started posting on this site again.

I know the whole body builder strength thing was obvious but my point was that I’m not going to get as strong as I would if I just focused on PLing. hence the ‘as strong as fast’ thing.

So about getting off the fence: I choose the bodybuilding side.

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[quote]StylinNProfilin wrote:

[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
Andrew_Live,

What was your starting weight??

I don’t understand why everyone is flaming him soo hard, he’s been working out for 3 years but depending on where he started he may have improved by leaps and bounds! I started lifting at 122lbs at 5’10, if he started off as a rail like I did then 220lbs in 3 years is much better progress then most people on this site. Even if he started off at 150lbs, 70lbs is nothing to be ashamed of. Could he have made better progress, sure? but without knowing where he started how is it okay for people to say he hasn’t made shit for progress, especially when so many people on this site don’t seem to be making any progress??

So before the flaming continues, what was your weight 3 years ago Andrew (or wasn’t your real name dale or dave)?[/quote]

He’s getting flamed because he started a thread asking us to pick out who’s 220 lb of mass, him or his pre-pubescent friend who’s 70 lb lighter. FAIL

See PX’s last post as to why that’s a faulty measuring stick of progress and achievement. [/quote]

If you check earlier I was the first to flame him in this thread for making such a thread. Where I’m confused is where the flaming him for lack of progress came to play. Now I understand ProX’s statements that certain areas should be more developed, so he should change his routine a bit, but it seems like people are jumping on the band wagon flaming him when he’s done pretty damn good for himself. As I said, could he do better, yes! But should he be flamed for his progress at his age? No.

ProX: I think a lot of what you have to say gets lost in translation because of how strong you come off. And thats not a pussy statement implying you’re too hard on people. Thats being honest in that often times when you flame someone, it’s unclear as to why you’re actually flaming them. This thread is the perfect example, it seemed as though you were implying he’s not training correctly because he isn’t making progress. Maybe I’m the only one who interpretted it that way, but when you get more specific in regards to areas that are lacking and why exactly you’re flaming someone I think your posts become much more insightful and miles more helpful. It’s frustrating to attempt to go into detail and help someone especially with so many news and trolls around here, but someone like Andrew who has made progress and posts quite a bit should get a bone thrown his way IMO. You can read every article on this site and still be confusd how to train, so many contradictions on this site on how to train properly even by some of the veteran members.

All I’m saying is Andrew is doing pretty good, room for improvement, but he’s young and seems to be on the right track, I think people should be giving helpful tips on exactly what he’s doing wrong instead of asking when he’s going to start training seriously. How does asking him that help him in any way? Is it supposed to motivate him to train harder? What good does that do if he’s training improperly.

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[quote]andrew_live wrote:

[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
Andrew_Live,

What was your starting weight??

So before the flaming continues, what was your weight 3 years ago Andrew (or wasn’t your real name dale or dave)?[/quote]

I weighed 160lbs 3 yrs ago. I was a marathon runner. Andrew is my middle name and I think it kicks ass. Truth be told Ive had a gym membership for almost 3 years now but I would have to say that I have only been seriously training for 1 year which coincidentally is when I started posting on this site again.

I know the whole body builder strength thing was obvious but my point was that I’m not going to get as strong as I would if I just focused on PLing. hence the ‘as strong as fast’ thing.

So about getting off the fence: I choose the bodybuilding side.
[/quote]

Listening you are not. Focus on only one, a mistake you will make. Find balance in the force you must.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]admbaum wrote:

[quote]DM65 wrote:

[quote]Soulja874 wrote:
I’m just gonna post this before some dumbass says she’s fat. I KNOW someone on here is thinking that.[/quote]

Lies. All lies I tell ya![/quote]

Those women are fat in my eyes…just not my brand of vodka I suppose.

OP, I doubt your challenger has a total near as high as yours. Prolly half that. As mentioned before “better” is all about perspective. I perceive a “better” physique as one that can outperform another. If you can move more weight, more useful as a human, you are better. But I dont wanna turn this into a BB’ing vs strongman/PL’ing debate. Being strong > being pretty in my eyes…I’ll just leave it at that.

EDIT: For guys, stronger > prettier…for women the opposite…just how I see it. Flame away.[/quote]

Wow. Yes, I can see how FAT she is. This is one diabetic crisis just WAITING to happen. I mean, holy crap, someone buy this woman a slim fast QUICK!!![/quote]

I’m glad you and I agree here. I mean really, you’ve prolly got more lean mass in your pinky.

fo ceral, she’s got some fat on her…more than I find appealing. I like’em more defined. If I were single, I wouldnt kick her out of my bed or anything.

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Also WTF is this a decatholon thread? We got like 10 different conversations and topics going on here. LOL

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
Andrew_Live,

What was your starting weight??

I don’t understand why everyone is flaming him soo hard, he’s been working out for 3 years but depending on where he started he may have improved by leaps and bounds! I started lifting at 122lbs at 5’10, if he started off as a rail like I did then 220lbs in 3 years is much better progress then most people on this site. Even if he started off at 150lbs, 70lbs is nothing to be ashamed of. Could he have made better progress, sure? but without knowing where he started how is it okay for people to say he hasn’t made shit for progress, especially when so many people on this site don’t seem to be making any progress??

So before the flaming continues, what was your weight 3 years ago Andrew (or wasn’t your real name dale or dave)?[/quote]

Well said, I believe he started at like 160 if I remember correctly. And yes 60 Lbs is pretty darn good for 3 years. He is still quite young too, I mean shit, if he gains half of that over the next 3 years kid will be a solid 250, at 6’ thats pretty close to monster status. But, haters gonna hate of course.

V[/quote]

Hating? Let me be very specific here even though I have written this several times.

There is a huge fucking difference between the way many of these guys are looking lately at certain weights and I would blame their training choices as to why. They, like he just wrote, believe “bodybuilding” and strength training" do not go together.

Someone fucking LIED to them.

That is why their shoulders lack any development, their backs aren’t filled out, their biceps are small, their chests are tiny and their legs and wider hips are more of what stands out.

Discuss.

I hope that was crystal clear that time. No one said he made no gains at all.[/quote]

What’s wrong with wide hips sir?

and btw PX was the first one to even ask about Solei.

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This page is making me feel all warm and gushy after the first couple.

GOD DAMN.

I’ve only started keeping my log again at the suggestion of a few other members here. Once I’ve had a few weeks posting in my log it will be easier to see where I’m going astray.

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[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:

[quote]StylinNProfilin wrote:

[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:

If you check earlier I was the first to flame him in this thread for making such a thread. Where I’m confused is where the flaming him for lack of progress came to play. Now I understand ProX’s statements that certain areas should be more developed, so he should change his routine a bit, but it seems like people are jumping on the band wagon flaming him when he’s done pretty damn good for himself. As I said, could he do better, yes! But should he be flamed for his progress at his age? No.

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I never flamed him for lack of progress, I’m flaming for trying to make us tell him how awesome he is cause he’s bigger than a guy 70 lighter than him. That was the theme of the thread, not “hey Rate my Physique” or “Any training suggestions?”.

Either compare yourself to you x years ago or if u’re gonna pick another person, make sure they’re in your weight class. Better yet, pick someone you aspire to look like one day!

I don’t see what’s so hard to understand.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

Listening you are not. Focus on only one, a mistake you will make. Find balance in the force you must.

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Yeah, thanks Yoda. I want a well sculpted physique but I also want my key lifts to go up. As the Prof gently pointed out, it will happen naturally.

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[quote]StylinNProfilin wrote:

I never flamed him for lack of progress, I’m flaming for trying to make us tell him how awesome he is cause he’s bigger than a guy 70 lighter than him. That was the theme of the thread, not “hey Rate my Physique” or “Any training suggestions?”.

Either compare yourself to you x years ago or if u’re gonna pick another person, make sure they’re in your weight class. Better yet, pick someone you aspire to look like one day!

I don’t see what’s so hard to understand. [/quote]

I do not have the patience nor do I care enough to go back in this thread and see who was actually flamin him. But I did not call you out directly, nor did I quote any of your posts, I was speaking directly to those that were flaming his progress and giving him shit about his training. If you were not doing that then I probably wasn’t referring to you.

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Hold up…did this just become a Ambercrobie and Fitch catalog?[/quote]

Ambercrombie and Fitch models have some muscle, so I’m gonna go with “no”.