http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=9138564
Where are the jobs from the stimulus? Where is the recovery? Which state is next?
I’m VERY glad to be employed right now. My company is actually benefitting, because some of the work from people who have been laid off is getting outsourced to us.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=9138564
Where are the jobs from the stimulus? Where is the recovery? Which state is next?[/quote]
The jobs are in the government. That is the only jobs that the government can manipulate. Small Businesses are not going to hire until they start making more money. The government can print money, so to speak, or tax to keep people on the payroll even if there is no work.
It’s unbelievable. The natural resources, the range of climates, the schools, the intellectual capital of people moving there and wanting to be there - you have to actively try to sandbag a state blessed with so many advantages.
And, that appears to be exactly what has happened.
Maybe a more interesting question is: who most benefits from those leaving California’s self-inflicted woes? Other Western states? Eastern seaboard cities that attract the younger people? Southern states that are lower tax havens?
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
It’s unbelievable. The natural resources, the range of climates, the schools, the intellectual capital of people moving there and wanting to be there - you have to actively try to sandbag a state blessed with so many advantages.
And, that appears to be exactly what has happened.
Maybe a more interesting question is: who most benefits from those leaving California’s self-inflicted woes? Other Western states? Eastern seaboard cities that attract the younger people? Southern states that are lower tax havens?[/quote]
Nevada, New Mexico, Texas. That’s where people are moving. The state is LOSING population. I’m born and raised here, and I love CA, but I HATE the assholes running the state. They are KILLING it. I lived in TX for a year, and honestly would have stayed for good if my work didn’t bring me back here. And that is saying a lot, because I REALLY love CA.
That’s also the rate of people who say “Hi Government, I’m unemployed.” It doesn’t count the thousands of people who are out of unemployment and so don’t talk to the government, or who have given up on finding a job and so are out of the system.
I find it interesting where the job gains have come from. Financial services, professional and business services, educational and health services, leisure and hospitality and government. All services that depend on and expendable income or tax base.
Yet the blue collar jobs are reporting a loss. It is no wonder the state can not support itself. The jobs that support the tax base and potentially build expendable income are gone.
Jobs from the stimulus my ass… I’ll give you an example, the road I drive on daily to get to where I need to be has been under construction for the past 2 years widening it. Now, there’s big sign next to it “American Recovery and Reinvestment Act…” So this construction project that was already going on just managed to get stimulus dollars. The people working on it were already employed and the project was going on anyway. I am pretty sure this is no isolated case.
Instead of taking it out of the country treasury, their basically letting the fed foot the bill and keeping their own money. I am sure some palms got greased along the way…
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
the schools, the intellectual capital of people moving there and wanting to be there - you have to actively try to sandbag a state blessed with so many advantages.
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I hope you realize that the intellectual capital of the majority of new immigrants to California is exactly zero. That’s a huge part of California’s problem: a middle class was replaced demographically with a third-world welfare dependent peasant class with no intellectual abilities - at least none proven so far.
Oh well, throw more money at them.
The jobs are in contruction, unless you drive truck, push a shovel or repave roads, you are out of luck…and even thoise construction jobs are TEMPORARY. After that, we are still stuck in the same economy, but owe China more money.
I’ll take the potholes thank you.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
I hope you realize that the intellectual capital of the majority of new immigrants to California is exactly zero. That’s a huge part of California’s problem: a middle class was replaced demographically with a third-world welfare dependent peasant class with no intellectual abilities - at least none proven so far.[/quote]
Sorry, PRC - while I recognize the illegal immigrant problem and have my own soapbox about lack of assimilation and how we cannot permit the problem to continue, etc., I won’t join up on an “immigrants as subhuman parasites” theme.
This obsession linked a little too closely to race is, well, in a word, disgusting.
Yes, it’s “obsession linked to race” to state that the majority of illegal aliens are not contributing “intellectual capital” to California.
Why of course they are! It would be racist to say not.
Frankly, most innovations improving productivity and resulting in new products and new markets for American business are coming from the on-average-highly-educated illegal aliens. It’s just a wingnut conspirary to hide this from the public: there are secret archives in the US Patent Office that prove it, however.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
I hope you realize that the intellectual capital of the majority of new immigrants to California is exactly zero. That’s a huge part of California’s problem: a middle class was replaced demographically with a third-world welfare dependent peasant class with no intellectual abilities - at least none proven so far.
Sorry, PRC - while I recognize the illegal immigrant problem and have my own soapbox about lack of assimilation and how we cannot permit the problem to continue, etc., I won’t join up on an “immigrants as subhuman parasites” theme.
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Good, neither will I. This is your straw man, I’m afraid.
Still, I have enormous amounts of data to back up my claims. You have happy-talk about the “intellectual capital” of Californians, which has been plummeting since the 1980s.
I really hope such statements make you feel better. Feel better?
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Yes, it’s “obsession linked to race” to state that the majority of illegal aliens are not contributing “intellectual capital” to California.
Why of course they are! It would be racist to say not.
Frankly, most innovations improving productivity and resulting in new products and new markets for American business are coming from the on-average-highly-educated illegal aliens. It’s just a wingnut conspirary to hide this from the public: there are secret archives in the US Patent Office that prove it, however.[/quote]
I think it’s high time we found some data linking US patents to race. Since the US government is obsessed with keeping racial data on educational achievement, income, etc when it collects the census data, surely it has these numbers? How many US patent holders have last names ending in a “z”?
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
I hope you realize that the intellectual capital of the majority of new immigrants to California is exactly zero. That’s a huge part of California’s problem: a middle class was replaced demographically with a third-world welfare dependent peasant class with no intellectual abilities - at least none proven so far.
Sorry, PRC - while I recognize the illegal immigrant problem and have my own soapbox about lack of assimilation and how we cannot permit the problem to continue, etc., I won’t join up on an “immigrants as subhuman parasites” theme.
This obsession linked a little too closely to race is, well, in a word, disgusting.
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Come down to Lynwood, you will change your mind. Where they fly a Mexican flag over a US Post Office.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
I think it’s high time we found some data linking US patents to race. Since the US government is obsessed with keeping racial data on educational achievement, income, etc when it collects the census data, surely it has these numbers? How many US patent holders have last names ending in a “z”? [/quote]
It would take a survey study – going and asking patent holders – to answer that question.
There is no box to check for race when applying for a US Patent (unlike so many other government forms.) Actually there is nothing asked regarding the inventor but name and address.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
I think it’s high time we found some data linking US patents to race. Since the US government is obsessed with keeping racial data on educational achievement, income, etc when it collects the census data, surely it has these numbers? How many US patent holders have last names ending in a “z”?
It would take a survey study – going and asking patent holders – to answer that question.
There is no box to check for race when applying for a US Patent (unlike so many other government forms.) Actually there is nothing asked regarding the inventor but name and address.
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We can check how many last names end in “z” though. For example, “Gonzalez,” “Velasquez,” etc. While not a perfect metric, it would be a suitable proxy given that hardly any Spaniards immigrate here.
It’s quite likely that Hispanic immigrants have retarded productivity increases by at least a couple of decades. For example, how much demand would there be for agricultural roboticization in the US if Mexicans weren’t allowed to come here, work for $5/hr under-the-table, and sleep 30 to a room?
How much innovation would there be in pre-fab construction, etc, if there were no Mexicans?
How about self-cleaning bathrooms like they have in Europe?
These are questions only a troglodytic racist like myself seems to ponder.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Good, neither will I. This is your straw man, I’m afraid. [/quote]
You described CA’s immigrants as “third-world welfare dependent peasant class with no intellectual abilities”.
Dependent peasant class? No different than a parasite, so check.
No intellectual abilities? Zero? Check.
I don’t think they have “no intellectual abilities” - in fact, I suspect their intellectual abilities are just fine, regardless of their legal status under immigration law.
What claims? The fact that many of them are on some form of welfare? That isn’t a fact in dispute - you are arguing with yourself.
Facts that they have “no intellectual abilities”? Well, I am all ears.
Universities attract non-Californians from all over and large CA cities attract young, educated people. The 1990s tech boom attracted many - and no doubt many are also leaving now. Point is: CA doesn’t have a shortage of “intellectual capital” necessary to support economic growth.
If the government policies supported economic growth - including taxes, government spending, and yes, immigration - there is a natural base of “intellectual capital” from native Californians and non-native Californians to create a dynamic economy.
This isn’t in dispute. Want to throw a tantrum in illegal immigration? Fine, have a good, cleansing cry. Just don’t let it cloud basic facts presented.
Has nothing to do with me feeling better - it has to do with assessing your statement that illegal immigrants have “no intellectual abilities”, and of course we know that immigration status determines absolutely nothing regarding their brainpower, so you must have another reason to want to so desperately trash them in terms of their intelligence.
Culture? Nope - doesn’t relate to “abilities”.
So, no, I don’t agree with anything left to support such a statement.
[quote]You described CA’s immigrants as “third-world welfare dependent peasant class with no intellectual abilities”.
Dependent peasant class? No different than a parasite, so check.
No intellectual abilities? Zero? Check.
I don’t think they have “no intellectual abilities” - in fact, I suspect their intellectual abilities are just fine, regardless of their legal status under immigration law.
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Do yourself a favor. Read:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=M2Q3YTQxNTVjZjRhM2U4ZTdjNmM4NmQ0N2RmNWU5YWQ
http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2006/10/putnam-on-diversity.html
http://www.heritage.org/research/immigration/sr14.cfm
When you come up with data refuting my data that California immigrants (overwhelmingly Mexican) have low educational achievement (regardless of the generation), high welfare dependence, and produce no growth in productivity via technological innovation, we can continue this discussion.
Of course, you’re sitting in your enclave somewhere telling us about how California really is, despite the fact that we live here and you don’t.
I haven’t even gotten into the ethnic composition of housing foreclosures in CA/NV/AZ. That might make your head explode with the apoplectic “Racism!” screams it would generate in you.
What you are not understanding, is that these people have no understanding of structure within a society. Packing 50 people in a house, clown cars with 20 people in them, or bombarding our schools and hospitals with their kids, all the while there is no regard of their impact. Illegals driving with no insurance (one of whom I got hit by), makes car insurance insane here. Got any idea how many have Tuberculosis who come here, with no regard for those they come in contact with?. Do you have any idea the number of hospitals that closed in California from illegals? Between 1993 and 2003, 60 hospitals closed. Schools are overcrowded because of the kids of illegal aliens.
With all due respect Thunderbolt, if you were in California you might have a better idea. I would be willing to bet that there are more illegals in Los Angeles than in your entire state. I am not saying they are the only problem we have, but they are a significant reason why we are in a financial mess.