I am in the same boat as you. Training about 3 years, 6’1" 195lbs.
Squat 145 4x8
Dead 185 3x8 (1RM 240)
Bench 155 3x8
Military 115 4x4
Chin BW+20 2x5
I have seen a trainer and he worked on my form. I just finished bulking from 185 to 205 and am now cutting some of the fat. Over the last year, the weights have been going up, slowly, but going. One of the reasons I train at home instead of going to a gym, I don’t wanna get harassed about the low weight.
I am a long time lurker, but rarely post. This thread got my attention though. I have been lifting for a good 10 plus years, mostly in commercial gyms.
When it comes down to it, does it really matter what people say they can lift? Even if you call bullshit on it, who cares? We all know individually, what we can lift, and the ones that fudge the numbers are idiots anyways.
When I get ready to pull 405 off the floor in my commercial 24 Hour gym, people actually stop and stare. I have people walking up to me after reps and asking how I can do that much. I tell them if they belonged to a real gym, then 405 would be nothing. I also tell them that by the end of the year I will be pulling 5 plates and they look at me and ask why I want to do that. I guess for the people that actually take lifting seriously, there is no way to explain to a non lifter why we have goals.
Anyway, I got a little long winded here, but my main point is we all know what we can do in the gym, so who really gives a crap about the 18 year old, off and on lifter, who weighs 150 pounds, and says he can pull, squat, and bench 405?
I dont, I just do what I do!!!
I’m sorry. I said above that the numbers I’ve seen for cleans are the biggest tip off for BS numbers. That is wrong. The biggest BS is with the numbers for vertical leap.
I don’t recall anyone fessing up to jumping less than 30 inches. Come on bullshitters, only something like 10-20 percent of 18 to 22 yr old males can even do 24 inches yet everyone on this site and their granny’s can do 30 plus.
I’m calling bullshit for at least half the stated verticals.
I don’t want to start a thing here, and I haven’t been coming up to this site long enough to judge what kinds of numbers people post. But this week I went up to 225 x 5 on power cleans, the second week I’ve done them, and I weigh about 210 (I posted my numbers in the middle of this thread). While many people might make up numbers, there are lots of legit numbers here too.
However, I am perfectly willing to admit that I don’t have a 30 inch vertical.
Perfect for this thread
Stats:
I’m 19, 175-180lbs (might be less, quite a bit of stress recently, horrible sleep and eating habits).
-Bench: 315# for a shitty 1rm
-Bench Reps: 185# 27 reps (still had a few in the tank…I think I can get 35-40 I’ll try again next week)
-Squat: 545#
-Deadlift: 495# (think I can pull more if I pull sumo)
-W. Chin Up: BW + attached 170#
-Pullups: 33 in a row (left maybe 2 in the tank)…No Kip.
-Power Snatch + OHS: 185#
-Power Clean: 255#
-Burpees in 15min: 832
In high school ran a 4.6, and I never weight trained, of course I weighed something around 130 with a backpack on.
[quote]kellyc wrote:
I’m sure by now you understand that you are very weak but I agree with you about the lifting figures. There’s alot of BS in the numbers I’ve seen. the big tip off for me is the numbers people post for their cleans.
I’ve trained in commercial gyms for 20 years and have only seen a handfull of people doing cleans and I’ve never seen anyone going over 225 (except in college sports training). Yet, the majority of posters here who list a clean, claim 250 or more. Even guys under 200 lbs.
Don’t get me wrong. I know there’s a lot of very strong people on this site and a lot of impressive, legitimate numbers but, I think there’s a bull too.[/quote]
Not to be argumentative, but I was a college athlete. Maybe, just maybe, I’m not the only one on T-Nation. I’m guessing that there are several that are on here. That said I tend to believe people that claim numbers on here that aren’t simply undoable.
The reason for this is that I’ve seen people smaller than I lift a lot more than me. I have seen a 220 pound fullback squat 600 for 1 set of 10. I’ve seen another 230lb fb bpress 435. I got outcleaned by 20 pounds by someone who was 20 pounds lighter than me. I believe that it can happen. I believe that it happens often enough that we should give people the benefit of the doubt.
I also believe that the benefit of the doubt should be given for the simple fact that if you lie on the internet about something like your lift #s, then you probably have big enough self esteem issues that it wouldn’t hurt to talk them up just a little bit to keep them from putting 156 grains in their brain. Again, Just my opinion.
yeah mate, you need to get that squat up a bit…id say make it a priority in your workout…you say you train for looks, well athletic built legs look better than fkn toothpicks under a barrel, suss out kings leg articles…i plan on getting in on that shit…and on the original point, yeah, some ppl lie about their lifts, but who gives a fk about them.
btw, im at 175lbs and last week squatted 225 for 3x8, which isnt good at all…i want to do better…just strive for greater numbers each week
[quote]DrVonNostrand wrote:
-Bench: 315# for a shitty 1rm
-Bench Reps: 185# 27 reps (still had a few in the tank…I think I can get 35-40 I’ll try again next week)
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I believe 27 reps is supposed to be about 45-50% your max (this being from CW on one of his threads)… so those numbers seem a little skewed.
If you can do 35-40 reps at 185 you should be doing way more than 315 on your 1RM, I’d think.
[quote]DrVonNostrand wrote:
Perfect for this thread
Stats:
I’m 19, 175-180lbs (might be less, quite a bit of stress recently, horrible sleep and eating habits).
-Bench: 315# for a shitty 1rm
-Bench Reps: 185# 27 reps (still had a few in the tank…I think I can get 35-40 I’ll try again next week)
-Squat: 545#
-Deadlift: 495# (think I can pull more if I pull sumo)
-W. Chin Up: BW + attached 170#
-Pullups: 33 in a row (left maybe 2 in the tank)…No Kip.
-Power Snatch + OHS: 185#
-Power Clean: 255#
-Burpees in 15min: 832
In high school ran a 4.6, and I never weight trained, of course I weighed something around 130 with a backpack on. [/quote]
actually those stats are correct xen is an amazingly strong dude and all he does is train
[quote]kellyc wrote:
I’m sorry. I said above that the numbers I’ve seen for cleans are the biggest tip off for BS numbers. That is wrong. The biggest BS is with the numbers for vertical leap.
I don’t recall anyone fessing up to jumping less than 30 inches. Come on bullshitters, only something like 10-20 percent of 18 to 22 yr old males can even do 24 inches yet everyone on this site and their granny’s can do 30 plus.
I’m calling bullshit for at least half the stated verticals.[/quote]
Heh, I’ll admit to having no hops whatsoever, I’m 5’10 and 1/2, don’t want to get cheated on that 1/2 inch, and I can just touch the rim. When I was 16 and weighed 150 lbs I could jump just as high…so I don’t know if jumping is ever something I’ll get good at unless I put a concerted effort into it.
Also, I’ve only rarely seen guys with 30+ verticals, and to a man, they were all on our basketball or volleyball or football team or played one of those sports at one point in college.
I agree with you, that many of the numbers posted on Internet forums, but I also think that your damn weak.
I did ~155 for reps the first time i ever squatted. At this time I had unter 130lbs bodyweight.
Of course my form was pretty crappy and I only squatted to parralel (and I did a lot of bodyweight exercises including 2-3 repetitions of pistols for some moths), but at this time i had absolutely no experience in weight training.
So I really question myself what you might have ben (not) doing in all those years of training.
@somebody else:
It is possible, that you get crushed by a weight that normally should not be a problem.
It was around christmas time when I wanted to bench 80kg as the last warmup before switching to boardpresses.
I got crushed the very first repetition, although I already did a couple of reps moths ago and also benched 90 in competition…
Everyone can have a bad day…
The attatched picture is from my first squat session.
[quote]NAUn wrote:
DrVonNostrand wrote:
-Bench: 315# for a shitty 1rm
-Bench Reps: 185# 27 reps (still had a few in the tank…I think I can get 35-40 I’ll try again next week)
I believe 27 reps is supposed to be about 45-50% your max (this being from CW on one of his threads)… so those numbers seem a little skewed.
If you can do 35-40 reps at 185 you should be doing way more than 315 on your 1RM, I’d think.
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Actually, once you get into reps that high, the numbers are going to vary greatly from person to person. You just can’t set a specific percentage on that high of a rep range. The number of reps one can do will depend on their stamina, endurance, and conditioning.
[quote]chtdrmn wrote:
DrVonNostrand wrote:
Perfect for this thread
Stats:
I’m 19, 175-180lbs (might be less, quite a bit of stress recently, horrible sleep and eating habits).
-Bench: 315# for a shitty 1rm
-Bench Reps: 185# 27 reps (still had a few in the tank…I think I can get 35-40 I’ll try again next week)
-Squat: 545#
-Deadlift: 495# (think I can pull more if I pull sumo)
-W. Chin Up: BW + attached 170#
-Pullups: 33 in a row (left maybe 2 in the tank)…No Kip.
-Power Snatch + OHS: 185#
-Power Clean: 255#
-Burpees in 15min: 832
In high school ran a 4.6, and I never weight trained, of course I weighed something around 130 with a backpack on.
actually those stats are correct xen is an amazingly strong dude and all he does is train [/quote]
I don’t why people are so quick to doubt someone’s numbers. I’m beginning to think T-Nation is 90% pussy.
The only lift on Xen’s lift that I find hard to believe is the squat. And that’s probably only because it shows how weak my squat is. I have 30-35 pounds on Xen, and and I have yet to hit 545. I start struggling once I get in the 500’s.
So, I guess I shouldn’t say I find his squat hard to believe. I should say I think that is his most impressive lift, in my opinion.
Go lift some weights and quit hating,
Toddy
I’m surprised no one mentioned this, but Dave Tate’s most recent article had him suggesting someone doing ATG squats and not making progress switching to wide stance box squats. You automatically can use more weight as you are going through less distance, but it will help progress.
I made very little progress through my first few years of lifting because I was not eating right. Get your diet in order.
I go to a D3 school, and I’ve seen one guy squat 400, maybe a handful of guys bench over 300, a couple guys deadlift over 300, and one guy clean over 200. There are plenty of guys that certainly look like they could do those numbers, but I’ve never seen them lift. Still, I would have expected to see more.
[quote]veruvius wrote:
I go to a D3 school, and I’ve seen one guy squat 400, maybe a handful of guys bench over 300, a couple guys deadlift over 300, and one guy clean over 200. There are plenty of guys that certainly look like they could do those numbers, but I’ve never seen them lift. Still, I would have expected to see more.[/quote]
Do you mean those numbers are from the athletes or just the general student population? Those are incredibly weak numbers for college football players, regardless of classification.
I think most of the time if they are bragging about being able to bench alot and squat alot they are talking about machine weight and not free weight.
[quote]j4k3 wrote:
I think most of the time if they are bragging about being able to bench alot and squat alot they are talking about machine weight and not free weight.[/quote]
I don’t think this is true at all. It isn’t for me. I only use machines for a few things and would never quote weights on them, or even bother to remember or count them as real weight. And just from reading the posts in this thread I don’t get the vibe that others (generally speaking) are talking about machines either. Maybe the weights I’m doing don’t register as “a lot” though, so I’m not in the group you’re talking about; I don’t think I or many others here are bragging either, so maybe you’re talking about other threads completely. Can you (or other people who have been saying similar things about this) clarify what you mean by a lot?
[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
veruvius wrote:
I go to a D3 school, and I’ve seen one guy squat 400, maybe a handful of guys bench over 300, a couple guys deadlift over 300, and one guy clean over 200. There are plenty of guys that certainly look like they could do those numbers, but I’ve never seen them lift. Still, I would have expected to see more.
Do you mean those numbers are from the athletes or just the general student population? Those are incredibly weak numbers for college football players, regardless of classification.[/quote]
That’s for everyone I’ve seen lift. The football team has a few guys who are really jacked, but most are below average for football players. And guess what, our team sucks donkey balls.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
160lbs (which is just over one 45lbs plate a side) after 3 whole years of training makes no sense at all…and for a guy?[/quote]
Exactly. I was squatting 160 after about three months of training.
To increase your maxes you actually have to put more weight on the bar…