Don’t listen to Bonez
Hee just wants your nuts to fall off
Kreatine is poison
[quote]anirudh412 wrote:
[quote]Houston Texan wrote:
On the subject of bulking foods, what kind of cheap ways are out there to get in protein? I’m getting in plenty right now but chicken is kind of burning a whole in my budget because I eat about half of the 3lb bag per day and each bag is 11 bucks.[/quote]
Exactly!! I am at 3000 cals now, seeing some very good results, but the chicken is killing me! 1/2 pound each of chicken and beef everyday is f****ng expensive[/quote]
You guys should look for a cheaper place to buy bulk foods if cash money is big problem. I go to aldi (its only in the northeast) but they have 5lb chicken bags for $6, $.75 dozen eggs. just something to consider
[quote]Vegita wrote:
I’ll do this rant one more time for your benefit. The time it will take you to gain muscle is 5X longer than the time it takes you to cut the same amount of fat. Doing a slow clean bulk is a complete waste of time. Bulk, eat more than enough for a year, then cut for one month. You will be 10-15 lbs heavier at the end vs a slow clean bulk. And you will be the same leanness in the end.
V[/quote]
quoted for truth.
But in all seriousness, in the last 2 months I went from eating about 3500 to 4900-5300 calories a day, and obviously the results have been pretty good. As V said, fat gain is inconsequential as long as you are not getting obese.
Consider milk shakes, although you posted earlier for your dislike for milk. It’s cheap and easily available, and can be mixed with OO and whey easily for fast high calorie shakes.
Bellmar
Just downed a whole large stuffed crust meat lovers pizza followed by a HUGE bowl of granola and whey… loosing control here 
Just an afterthought, would things like granola be considered ‘worse’ than pizzas for bulking coz they have more ‘sugary’ (simple) carbs?
Who cares? At this point you just need food. Start adding EVOO to your shakes 3-4 tbsp. Generally speaking though granola is probably better (so long as it’s real granola not all the crap in a box with tons of sugar on it).
11 bucks for 3 lbs of chicken? Thats pretty steep. Have you ever head of looking for sales? One store might have chicken for 2.80 pre lb and one right down the street might be running a sale for 1.99 per lb. I keep tabs on 4 grocery stores in the area and have a chest freezer, so when ground beef, chicken or steaks go on sale, you buy as much as you can afford.
Then however long that meat lasts you, you save up for the next round of purchases. In a couple cycles you will net much more meat with much less money, all it takes is jumping online and looking at meat ads. It’s actually enjoyable and it boosts your appetite.
Also I’ll mention it again because there hasn’t been a beef jerkey thread in a little while. Top round roasts go on sale (at least in my area) at least once per month for 1.99 per lb. It’s a nice lean cut of meat. I slice it thin and then marinate it overnight in Soy sauce, Liquid smoke and some brown sugar (oh no carbs!) salt and pepper and garlic powder (optional).
The roasts are usually around 3-5 lbs wet weight, and after the dehydration it is 1/3 of the origional weight, so a 3lb roast nets you 1 lb of jerky. at 1.99 per lb thats $5.97 for a Lb of beef jerky. AND you know there is no bullshit chemicals that is in store bought jerkey which runs about $5 per 4oz.
Also, the Dehydration evaporates the water, not the protein, so if you eat that 1 lb of jerky, you really just ate an entire 3lb roast. I keep plastic baggies of it everywhere. In the office, in the car, nightstand, coffee table by the couch. Also I don’t care how full you are, you telling me you couldn’t munch down 2-3 peices of jerkey ANYTIME?
Let me know if you want more info regarding dehydrators and I’ll steer you to one of the old threads where I go much more in depth.
V
Vegita, I’m not the OP but I sure as hell want more information on dehydrators. If I can make my own jerkey that would be amazing.
My newest bulking breakfast that my roommate and I are obsessed with:
(2 LARGE servings)
1 can of black beans
5 whole eggs
5-10 tb of salsa (to taste)
grated pepperjack cheese
2 large Sausage or 4 strips bacon
We basically scramble up the eggs while we cook the bacon and beans. Put it all together in yoru skillet, grate the cheese and dump the salsa on top. I’ve been meaning to run the macros through fitday, but you can do that if you’re keeping a log.
*I’m doing a primal blueprint style bulk right now. 5’7, 165
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
Vegita, I’m not the OP but I sure as hell want more information on dehydrators. If I can make my own jerkey that would be amazing.[/quote]
x2
[quote]Vegita wrote:
all it takes is jumping online and looking at meat ads. It’s actually enjoyable and it boosts your sexual appetite.
V[/quote]
This doesnt surprise me
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Houston Texan wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]Houston Texan wrote:
On the subject of bulking foods, what kind of cheap ways are out there to get in protein? I’m getting in plenty right now but chicken is kind of burning a whole in my budget because I eat about half of the 3lb bag per day and each bag is 11 bucks.[/quote]
Ground beef.[/quote]
Wouldn’t eating that much ground beef be fucking awful for you?[/quote]
Is this a trick question?[/quote]
I lol’d. Oh and eggs are cheap as shit.
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
Vegita, I’m not the OP but I sure as hell want more information on dehydrators. If I can make my own jerkey that would be amazing.[/quote]
http://www.katerno.com/detail.php?s=100218
This is the best Dehydrator I have found for the lowest price. A few things I wouldn’t do without in a dehydrator are. #1, a fan, you do not want to be rotating trays every hour or two. #2 a fan that is mounted on the back of a horizontal unit so it circulates air across each tray, not one that has a fan on the bottom and blows up through each tray, this will still require you to rotate trays, though less often.
I have owned a dehydrator with no fan and the stackable round trays, and I have owned one with the stackable round trays with a fan on the top. Now I own the vegikiln. For $80-90 bucks you get a unit that will literally make your jerky in nearly half the time. The old unit I had would take 14-16 hours to make a single batch of jerkey. I had to rotate the trays every 2 hours or you would have trays of crispy and trays of soggy jerkey. The one with the fan on top cut the time down to 10-12 hours but I still had to rotate the trays once or twice to get them to all be finished at the same time. The vegikiln, I load it, turn it on and in 7-8 hours, take out a batch of perfectly done jerkey. A similar unit sells by excalibur for over $200.
Now we get to the meat. You want to buy roasts, Top and bottom round are the leanest and usually the cheapest. You actually want to use the leanest cuts, especially if you are making a big batch. the only danger you have with jerkey is the fat contained in the jerkey going rancid. Obviously the leaner the cuts, the less of an issue this is. Now that being said, if you have never had a nice peice of marbled jerkey, well you are missing out. Sometimes I’ll slice up a steak with some good marbling like a delmontico (ribeye) and just eat it within the first week (or day usually).
I’ll throw some pictures up so you know what to look for. Top round has a big thick layer of fat on one side of the roast. You NEED an electric carving type knife if you are serious about making your own jerkey. I can slice up a 6lb roast in 20 minutes. It takes a little trial and error, but just pay attention to what you are doing and you will learn how the grain of the meat runs and how you like your jerkey. I like to cut with the grain in the traditional jerkey fashion, however, when I do orders, some of my family and friends like me to cut across the grain.
What I do is get my cutting board out and get a big bowl and make the marinade. 2 cups soy sauce, 1 cup brown sugar, 1 tablespoon (or so) of liquid smoke. OR if you buy the little 4oz glass bottles of that colgen liquid smoke, dump in the whole bottle. Add black pepper and garlic powder to taste, Black pepper gives you the heat, so if you like it spicy, go with more black pepper. I also have some crushed red pepper that I ran through our coffee grinder and I add that for extra heat as well for a spicy batch.
Cut slice the roast into thick steaks and then slice the steaks into thin strips (1/8th to 1/4 inch). Take each strip and toss it into the marinade bowl. When you are finished, cover the bowl with plastic wrap and refridgerate overnight, stirring a few times to ensure good coverage.
Then I take the bowl of jerkey out and strain it good in a colendar. Let it drain really good, you don’t want dripping wet peices in the dehydrator. Afetr the drain for a couple minutes, just place them on the dehydrator, lay them flat, they can be touching but not overlapping, they will shrink in size. Remove and store in ziplock bags or vaccum seal for long term storage. One bit of advice, if you are going to vaccum seal them, I like to put them in a brown lunch bag or just fold them into some parchament paper. The jerkey will have little sharp edges and I have noticed quite a few sealed bags had air leak into them, most likley through a small puncture hole. The parchament or paper bag eliminates this.
Pics to follow.
V
Top Round
V
Also forgot to mention, Soy sauce can become expensive if you are using the little store bottles. Get to a costco or BJ’s or sams club and buy the big 1 quart bottles. You may have to search but it’s worth it as you use 2 cups per batch.
Also gander Mt has really good liquid smoke. The bottle is huge and it’s 5 bucks. It’s super concentrated so a tablespoon smokes up to 20 lbs of meat.
V
Can anyone please explain this to me. I was on a ‘2 day vacation’ where all I did was eat crap from morning till night, but I made sure I ate a LOT… Like 2 huge subs in the morning, followed by one large pizza, then a huge chinese meal… i think you get the idea And I havent put on any fat at all (at least nothing I can see). Plus I also thought eating a lot of carbs in the night right before bed is bad, but I ate this freakishly large portion of thai noodles and shrimp and hit the bed almost 20 minutes later. I wake up the next day, and I am kinda ‘buffed’ and totally digging my look. Obviously this does not mean I should eat like this everyday, does it?
On a side note, inspired by all this, I raised by daily intake by another 500 cals
[quote]anirudh412 wrote:
Can anyone please explain this to me. I was on a ‘2 day vacation’ where all I did was eat crap from morning till night, but I made sure I ate a LOT… Like 2 huge subs in the morning, followed by one large pizza, then a huge chinese meal… i think you get the idea And I havent put on any fat at all (at least nothing I can see). Plus I also thought eating a lot of carbs in the night right before bed is bad, but I ate this freakishly large portion of thai noodles and shrimp and hit the bed almost 20 minutes later. I wake up the next day, and I am kinda ‘buffed’ and totally digging my look. Obviously this does not mean I should eat like this everyday, does it?
On a side note, inspired by all this, I raised by daily intake by another 500 cals :-)[/quote]
It’s because you started out weighing 135lbs and haven’t done much weight training before.
Your body is in a “What the fuck are you doing to me phase” so it’s improving physically to compensate. This will slow down in 6-8 months.
Also all those carbs probably replenished your glycogen stores so your muscles will look more filled out.
BTW “Large” and “Huge” is very opinionated 
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
[quote]anirudh412 wrote:
Can anyone please explain this to me. I was on a ‘2 day vacation’ where all I did was eat crap from morning till night, but I made sure I ate a LOT… Like 2 huge subs in the morning, followed by one large pizza, then a huge chinese meal… i think you get the idea And I havent put on any fat at all (at least nothing I can see). Plus I also thought eating a lot of carbs in the night right before bed is bad, but I ate this freakishly large portion of thai noodles and shrimp and hit the bed almost 20 minutes later. I wake up the next day, and I am kinda ‘buffed’ and totally digging my look. Obviously this does not mean I should eat like this everyday, does it?
On a side note, inspired by all this, I raised by daily intake by another 500 cals :-)[/quote]
It’s because you started out weighing 135lbs and haven’t done much weight training before.
Your body is in a “What the fuck are you doing to me phase” so it’s improving physically to compensate. This will slow down in 6-8 months.
Also all those carbs probably replenished your glycogen stores so your muscles will look more filled out.
BTW “Large” and “Huge” is very opinionated ;)[/quote]
Totally agree, but man, if you would have seen the portion of the Chinese meal I had…
Anyways, back to my question, does that mean I should eat like this everyday? Or should I continue my daily diet of oatmeal, WW bread and spaghetti and sweet potatoes? BTW carbs FTW!!!
Steak
Hamburgers
BBQ
Eggs
Chicken
Fish
Need I say more?
[quote]anirudh412 wrote:
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
[quote]anirudh412 wrote:
Can anyone please explain this to me. I was on a ‘2 day vacation’ where all I did was eat crap from morning till night, but I made sure I ate a LOT… Like 2 huge subs in the morning, followed by one large pizza, then a huge chinese meal… i think you get the idea And I havent put on any fat at all (at least nothing I can see). Plus I also thought eating a lot of carbs in the night right before bed is bad, but I ate this freakishly large portion of thai noodles and shrimp and hit the bed almost 20 minutes later. I wake up the next day, and I am kinda ‘buffed’ and totally digging my look. Obviously this does not mean I should eat like this everyday, does it?
On a side note, inspired by all this, I raised by daily intake by another 500 cals :-)[/quote]
It’s because you started out weighing 135lbs and haven’t done much weight training before.
Your body is in a “What the fuck are you doing to me phase” so it’s improving physically to compensate. This will slow down in 6-8 months.
Also all those carbs probably replenished your glycogen stores so your muscles will look more filled out.
BTW “Large” and “Huge” is very opinionated ;)[/quote]
Totally agree, but man, if you would have seen the portion of the Chinese meal I had…
Anyways, back to my question, does that mean I should eat like this everyday? Or should I continue my daily diet of oatmeal, WW bread and spaghetti and sweet potatoes? BTW carbs FTW!!!
[/quote]
Just eat a lot of food, theres no reason to have stuff like dry chicken breast and sweet potato, just have big enjoyable meals 5-7x a day perhaps have lower carbs towards the end of the day.
Definitely avoid junk food - doughnuts, cake, chocolate etc. is going to do nothing for you in terms of muscle gain/body composition
If you start gaining quite a bit of fat (development of love handles etc.) or until you want to diet down to quite low bodyfat (not necassery for a couple years probably) then you will need to tighten up on things.
What do you guys do when say you are on a week long vacation, where you cannot work out? Do you just continue bulking or do you change your diet?