Bulking, Not Finding Food

Hey everyone! Well, I just raised my cal intake to 2800 from 2500. I am 5’8" and 135lbs (I know, I know… Need a serious bulk :-)) anyways, My daily diet looks something this:

MEAL 1 Â
1 cup oatmeal
300/6/54/10
1 scoop protein powder
120/1/3/24
1 slice bread
80/0/16/3
100g yams
90/2/18/1
TOTAL 590/9/91/37

MEAL 2
175g chicken breast
175/2/0/36
2 tbsp pb
190/16/4/6
TOTAL 365/18/4/42

MEAL 3
1/2lb ground beef
460/32/0/44
1 slice bread
80/0/16/3
TOTAL 540/32/16/47

MEAL 4
1 serving spaghetti
200/1.5/35/7Â
1 serving sauce
80/2.5/8/3
1 serving beans
110/1/17/7
1 slice bread
80/0/16/3
100g yams
90/2/18/1
1/2 cup oatmeal
75/1.5/13/2
1/2 scoop protein powder
60/1/2/12
TOTAL 695/9.5/109/35

WORKOUT

MEAL 5
1 scoop protein powder
120/1/3/24
60g maltodextrin
238/0/57/0
TOTAL 358/1/60/24

MEAL 6
4 egg whites
60/0/0/16

GRAND TOTAL 2608/70/280/203

Does this look any good?

Also, now that I have raised my cals by another 200, I don’t seem to find any thing else to eat. I am NOT afraid of gaining a little fat during my bulk, but I am going to keep it AS CLEAN AS POSSIBLE. It’s ok even if I have to bulk for the next 2 years, but clean is the key.

Any suggestions at all? And yeah, I AM NOT A BIG FAN OF MILK, so thats kinda not an option, Â

Lentils / Avocado / Quinoa / Chorizo = tasty

You are 135lbs, there is about zero need for you to eat like a competitive bodybuilder prepping for a show.

add fruit, veg, the yolks of the eggs, some more good fat sources (olive oil, avacados, nuts, fish, etc), and up your protein a bit and overall cals by 500 or more. also, personally, i would move your meal 5 to immediately before your workout and then have a scoop or two of protein afterward. if you’re looking to grow, it’s important to get plenty of cals around your workout. your body is likely hungry over night as it stands now.

and lastly, what do your workouts look like?

Holy Crap broseph, I didn’t see a few thing in there. I didn’t see any Bacon, I didn’t see any butter, I didn’t see any Mayonayse. WTF are you doing???

Try this for breakfast. Toast an engliah muffin, get 2 slices of american cheese, Scamble 2 whole eggs and put them in a 3-4 inch ceramic vessel (round). Scramble and Microwave the eggs for 75-90 seconds. Take Muffin out of toaster, place bottom on plate. Put Smart balance spread thickly on the muffin bottom, add slice of cheese, add egg round, add bacon (you already have it cooked and sitting in the fridge for BLT’s and these sandwiches or just to snack on) If you don’t have bacon, add some sausage rounds or some thick sliced ham, whatever you can scrounge up. Then add another slice of cheese, Throw a bit of honey mustard sauce on that and then smart balance the hell out of the top muffin and place it on the top of the stack.

English Muffin - 134 Cal
Egg - 2 large - 204 Cal
Smart Balance 1 tbsp - 85 Cal
Cheese 2 slice american - 138 Cal
Bacon 3 slices - 123 Cal
Honey Mustard - 10 Cal

So thats approx 700 Cals in one easy to make and eat and DELICIOUS sandwich. It’s really not hard to eat two of these if you really wanted to. Hell you could (and should) be getting half you current Calories at breakfast.

I’ll do this rant one more time for your benefit. The time it will take you to gain muscle is 5X longer than the time it takes you to cut the same amount of fat. Doing a slow clean bulk is a complete waste of time. Bulk, eat more than enough for a year, then cut for one month. You will be 10-15 lbs heavier at the end vs a slow clean bulk. And you will be the same leaness in the end.

If I was in your position (and I was to an extent once upon a time) I would shoot for a MINIMUM of 3500 calories as a bulk. Anything less and you are just going to metabolize faster and make very small or no gains. You know the more you eat the more your metabolism fires right?

Start at 3,500 and I am going to guess you still won’t make significant gains. You will probably end up needing 4,000 or more per day, it would be better if it doesn’t take you 3 years to realize this and just start killing food right now.

V

[quote]E99_Curt wrote:
add fruit, veg, the yolks of the eggs, some more good fat sources (olive oil, avacados, nuts, fish, etc), and up your protein a bit and overall cals by 500 or more. also, personally, i would move your meal 5 to immediately before your workout and then have a scoop or two of protein afterward. if you’re looking to grow, it’s important to get plenty of cals around your workout. your body is likely hungry over night as it stands now.

and lastly, what do your workouts look like? [/quote]

I used to eat a SHIT LOAD of veggies a while ago, but then I noticed it just caused me to bloat, not poop and feel crappy in general. So I just limit myself to tomatoes and spinach and maybe some broccoli. I do eat fish. Sometime substitute the chicken with salmon or cans of tuna. This is an example of what my daily diet looks like. And I agree with what you said about getting plenty of cals before my workout, that’s the reason why MEAL 4 is big with spaghetti, beans, sweet potato and protein. Shouldn’t that be enough? I keep the meal 5 (simple carbs) like maltodextrin for PWO.

My workout looks something like this:

Day 1
CHEST AND TRI
FLAT BB BENCH
INCLINE BB BENCH
PEC DEC
CABLE CROSS OVERS
CLOSE GRIP BB BENCH (tri)
WEIGHTED DIPS (tri)

Day 2
BACK AND BI
WIDE GRIP PULL UPS
CLOSE GRIP CABLE PULLS
DEAD LIFT
BENT OVER BB ROWS
EZ BAR CURLS (bi)
BB HAMMER CURLS (bi)

DAY 3
ABZZZZZ :wink:
20-30 min cardio

Day 4
SHOULDERS
MILITARY PRESS
DB LATERAL RAISES
BENT OVER DB LATERAL RAISES
SHRUGS

Day 5
LEGS
BACK SQUATS
MACHINE SQUATS
LEG EXTENSIONS
REVERSE LEG EXTENSIONS
STANDING CALVE RAISES

Day 6
ABZZZZZ
20-30 min light cardio

I know many noobz around here (me being one of them) don’t eat enough. But I am willing to up my food intake to whatever it takes to gain. If that means eating 5000 cals a day, I would gladly do it (I love eating). If it were up to me, I would never get up from my dinner table :slight_smile: and as mentioned earlier I am not afraid of adding a little fat on the way. I really like my abzzzzz, lol, but I realize that they are what keep me from seeing real gains. But my point is, why should one not eat clean! Not only does it make me feel better about my food habits but it also keeps me healthy, right? Hope you guys get what I am trying to imply.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
You are 135lbs, there is about zero need for you to eat like a competitive bodybuilder prepping for a show.

[/quote]

Yeah I know, 135 is too low!!! The reason why I am clean bulking, is coz that way I get to bulk for a longer period of time. So I get to bulk (eat more food) for say 2 years instead of one :slight_smile: I just love eating…

[quote]Vegita wrote:

If I was in your position (and I was to an extent once upon a time) I would shoot for a MINIMUM of 3500 calories as a bulk. Anything less and you are just going to metabolize faster and make very small or no gains. You know the more you eat the more your metabolism fires right?

Start at 3,500 and I am going to guess you still won’t make significant gains. You will probably end up needing 4,000 or more per day, it would be better if it doesn’t take you 3 years to realize this and just start killing food right now.

V[/quote]

Oh I am at 2800 cals now, but don’t intend to be stuck there. I am just upping the cals slowly, a week at a time and see how my body responds. The thing is I practically do zero activity throughout the day apart from lifting. As I said a few posts ago, if it takes 5000 cals for me to bulk, I would do it in a heartbeat.

[quote]anirudh412 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
You are 135lbs, there is about zero need for you to eat like a competitive bodybuilder prepping for a show.

[/quote]

Yeah I know, 135 is too low!!! The reason why I am clean bulking, is coz that way I get to bulk for a longer period of time. So I get to bulk (eat more food) for say 2 years instead of one :slight_smile: I just love eating… [/quote]

Your idea of what a bulk is, is retarded.

The way you are eating, I am doubting we will see you being very serious even two years from now.

The people who do this long term LOVE it. They enjoy the process. They don’t turn the act of making progress into a chore.

You need a hell of a lot more calories and your understanding of how to do that needs work.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]anirudh412 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
You are 135lbs, there is about zero need for you to eat like a competitive bodybuilder prepping for a show.

[/quote]

Yeah I know, 135 is too low!!! The reason why I am clean bulking, is coz that way I get to bulk for a longer period of time. So I get to bulk (eat more food) for say 2 years instead of one :slight_smile: I just love eating… [/quote]

Your idea of what a bulk is, is retarded.

The way you are eating, I am doubting we will see you being very serious even two years from now.

The people who do this long term LOVE it. They enjoy the process. They don’t turn the act of making progress into a chore.

You need a hell of a lot more calories and your understanding of how to do that needs work.[/quote]

Oh but I do love it professor. Just on a side note, I respect every advice that you have to give. I know, I am a little paranoid when it comes to bulking, but I am trying my best to overcome it. Neither working out, nor eating good is a chore for me. That’s why I enjoy eating clean, planning my meals ahead and hitting the gym every day. I love the feeling when I feel sore the next day, hell I like it when I am bloated and full and feel on top of the world. I guess I am giving away the wrong ideas here. Working out is one of my main goal each day and I NEVER miss it. I know I need a lot more cals, I never said I am not going to eat more no matter what. I just said I am increasing them slowly.

[quote]Vegita wrote:
Holy Crap broseph, I didn’t see a few thing in there. I didn’t see any Bacon, I didn’t see any butter, I didn’t see any Mayonayse. WTF are you doing???

Try this for breakfast. Toast an engliah muffin, get 2 slices of american cheese, Scamble 2 whole eggs and put them in a 3-4 inch ceramic vessel (round). Scramble and Microwave the eggs for 75-90 seconds. Take Muffin out of toaster, place bottom on plate. Put Smart balance spread thickly on the muffin bottom, add slice of cheese, add egg round, add bacon (you already have it cooked and sitting in the fridge for BLT’s and these sandwiches or just to snack on) If you don’t have bacon, add some sausage rounds or some thick sliced ham, whatever you can scrounge up. Then add another slice of cheese, Throw a bit of honey mustard sauce on that and then smart balance the hell out of the top muffin and place it on the top of the stack.

V[/quote]

Ditch the Smart Balance for real butter - preferably organic. Loaded with vitamins and minerals and better for you than anything made with processed vegetable oils.

Where the hell is the grilled cheese? Son I am disappoint.

Gah I was going to suggest milk but then I saw you don’t like it.

How about this then: add cheese with that ground beef. Shredded mozzarella, etc. 1/2 cup is another 140 cal and some good protein.

Just had a whole effing pizza!!! Man, I am about to throw up!!! Stuffed crust ftw!!

Followed by a whole bowl of granola and 2 scoops of protein powder!!!

[quote]anirudh412 wrote:
Just had a whole effing pizza!!! Man, I am about to throw up!!! Stuffed crust ftw!! [/quote]

Atta Boy! Now keep killing those cals.

V

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]anirudh412 wrote:
Just had a whole effing pizza!!! Man, I am about to throw up!!! Stuffed crust ftw!! [/quote]

Atta Boy! Now keep killing those cals.

V[/quote]

X2. …and replace the 2 ABZZZ days each with a trip to the buffet.

I was just checking this out, a couple good laughs and some good info. I am also so confused about nutrition, that’s why I’m reading this. Every time I feel I finally have it down I learn something new and at the same time seem to get more and more lost. Anyway, there is an article “Nutrition for Newbies” that helped me quite a bit, maybe check it out. It showed me that I need like 4000 calories a day, I had no freaking clue, so things like that may help. Anyway, you made a comment about 5000 calories to bulk, do you have any idea how hard that is? I’m trying to eat 4000 to stay healthy and limiting bad fats, carbs, etc, it’s freaking difficult. One thing I’ve done is tripling my protein shakes and taking them with either nonfat milk or water instead of whole or even 2% milk. Also, lowfat cottage cheese is awesome, I try to eat it at least once a day, tons of useable amino acids. Anyway, if your trying, your doing better than most. Good luck.

You should replace the abzzz day with a day dedicated to eating more, and ditch the other one. At 135 pounds working out your abs isn’t going to do anything. I did crunches and hanging leg raises and … oh I’ve done them all.

Trust me when I say your abs look like little goose bumps until you gain some weight and have some shoulders topping them and your legs are big enough to give you an X shape. Then do an ab workout once a week, tops.

Peanut/almond/cashew butter. Nuts, olive oil, coconut oil in your shakes, honey, molasses.

Cover anything in cheese, more pasta (tried Ezekiel pasta? INCREDIBLE). Calries, even clean calories, shouldnt be that hard to find :wink: