Of course it matter how much had you eaten how much water fiber ect. You want to control as many variables as possible. I can gain 10lbs in a day easy. Why would I want that as my weight?
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Of course it matter how much had you eaten how much water fiber ect. You want to control as many variables as possible. I can gain 10lbs in a day easy. Why would I want that as my weight?[/quote]
It doesnt matter. If anyone does my recommendation to a T, they are going to do this for a year. If you eat 10 lbs of food today and go from 165 to 175, then you had better be 176 at some point next week. Little guys need not major in the minors. Unless you are going to go out and get some miralax and do a bowel prep, you are always going to be carrying around some food. Also, if you don’t stay hydrated at a constant maintenance level (the day after you have too much beer for example), your AM weight will fluctuate as well. The guy who is 135 lbs doesn’t need to worry about his exact weight. He only needs to be concerned with gaining it. I doubt anyone is going to go from 135 to 220 on food weight alone. Plus, IMO if you really are bodybuilding, your mirror will always trump your scale when it comes to how you look. The trophy doesn’t always go to the heaviest guy, or the person with the largest chest circumference, etc. Weight is an indicator of gain, but it is not the only factor we are looking at for the guy who is just starting out. We are also looking at his workout log (new rep records or more total weight lifted or more sets), how he feels, his perceived exertion per workout, etc.
Lots of HARDCORE RHETORIC in this thread that is NOT NECESSARILY GROUNDED IN REALITY.
Man I want me some goulash!!!
[quote]trivium wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Of course it matter how much had you eaten how much water fiber ect. You want to control as many variables as possible. I can gain 10lbs in a day easy. Why would I want that as my weight?[/quote]
It doesnt matter. If anyone does my recommendation to a T, they are going to do this for a year. If you eat 10 lbs of food today and go from 165 to 175, then you had better be 176 at some point next week. Little guys need not major in the minors. Unless you are going to go out and get some miralax and do a bowel prep, you are always going to be carrying around some food. Also, if you don’t stay hydrated at a constant maintenance level (the day after you have too much beer for example), your AM weight will fluctuate as well. The guy who is 135 lbs doesn’t need to worry about his exact weight. He only needs to be concerned with gaining it. I doubt anyone is going to go from 135 to 220 on food weight alone. Plus, IMO if you really are bodybuilding, your mirror will always trump your scale when it comes to how you look. The trophy doesn’t always go to the heaviest guy, or the person with the largest chest circumference, etc. Weight is an indicator of gain, but it is not the only factor we are looking at for the guy who is just starting out. We are also looking at his workout log (new rep records or more total weight lifted or more sets), how he feels, his perceived exertion per workout, etc.[/quote]
Didn’t see mention any of those other factors in any other post. You are also the first person that is serious about lifting that uses gym weight as a bench mark over morning weight
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]trivium wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Of course it matter how much had you eaten how much water fiber ect. You want to control as many variables as possible. I can gain 10lbs in a day easy. Why would I want that as my weight?[/quote]
It doesnt matter. If anyone does my recommendation to a T, they are going to do this for a year. If you eat 10 lbs of food today and go from 165 to 175, then you had better be 176 at some point next week. Little guys need not major in the minors. Unless you are going to go out and get some miralax and do a bowel prep, you are always going to be carrying around some food. Also, if you don’t stay hydrated at a constant maintenance level (the day after you have too much beer for example), your AM weight will fluctuate as well. The guy who is 135 lbs doesn’t need to worry about his exact weight. He only needs to be concerned with gaining it. I doubt anyone is going to go from 135 to 220 on food weight alone. Plus, IMO if you really are bodybuilding, your mirror will always trump your scale when it comes to how you look. The trophy doesn’t always go to the heaviest guy, or the person with the largest chest circumference, etc. Weight is an indicator of gain, but it is not the only factor we are looking at for the guy who is just starting out. We are also looking at his workout log (new rep records or more total weight lifted or more sets), how he feels, his perceived exertion per workout, etc.[/quote]
Didn’t see mention any of those other factors in any other post. You are also the first person that is serious about lifting that uses gym weight as a bench mark over morning weight[/quote]
Like I said, only for gaining weight. Losing weight is another animal. My goals are to be strong (4/3/5 on the big three), and to look good. Not to weigh a certain amount.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]trivium wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Of course it matter how much had you eaten how much water fiber ect. You want to control as many variables as possible. I can gain 10lbs in a day easy. Why would I want that as my weight?[/quote]
It doesnt matter. If anyone does my recommendation to a T, they are going to do this for a year. If you eat 10 lbs of food today and go from 165 to 175, then you had better be 176 at some point next week. Little guys need not major in the minors. Unless you are going to go out and get some miralax and do a bowel prep, you are always going to be carrying around some food. Also, if you don’t stay hydrated at a constant maintenance level (the day after you have too much beer for example), your AM weight will fluctuate as well. The guy who is 135 lbs doesn’t need to worry about his exact weight. He only needs to be concerned with gaining it. I doubt anyone is going to go from 135 to 220 on food weight alone. Plus, IMO if you really are bodybuilding, your mirror will always trump your scale when it comes to how you look. The trophy doesn’t always go to the heaviest guy, or the person with the largest chest circumference, etc. Weight is an indicator of gain, but it is not the only factor we are looking at for the guy who is just starting out. We are also looking at his workout log (new rep records or more total weight lifted or more sets), how he feels, his perceived exertion per workout, etc.[/quote]
Didn’t see mention any of those other factors in any other post. You are also the first person that is serious about lifting that uses gym weight as a bench mark over morning weight[/quote]
I always use morning weight after I piss.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]trivium wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Of course it matter how much had you eaten how much water fiber ect. You want to control as many variables as possible. I can gain 10lbs in a day easy. Why would I want that as my weight?[/quote]
It doesnt matter. If anyone does my recommendation to a T, they are going to do this for a year. If you eat 10 lbs of food today and go from 165 to 175, then you had better be 176 at some point next week. Little guys need not major in the minors. Unless you are going to go out and get some miralax and do a bowel prep, you are always going to be carrying around some food. Also, if you don’t stay hydrated at a constant maintenance level (the day after you have too much beer for example), your AM weight will fluctuate as well. The guy who is 135 lbs doesn’t need to worry about his exact weight. He only needs to be concerned with gaining it. I doubt anyone is going to go from 135 to 220 on food weight alone. Plus, IMO if you really are bodybuilding, your mirror will always trump your scale when it comes to how you look. The trophy doesn’t always go to the heaviest guy, or the person with the largest chest circumference, etc. Weight is an indicator of gain, but it is not the only factor we are looking at for the guy who is just starting out. We are also looking at his workout log (new rep records or more total weight lifted or more sets), how he feels, his perceived exertion per workout, etc.[/quote]
Didn’t see mention any of those other factors in any other post. You are also the first person that is serious about lifting that uses gym weight as a bench mark over morning weight[/quote]
I always use morning weight after I piss.[/quote]
I also do this.
After sleeping for a good stretch, assuming your body is metabolizing a lot of what’s in your gut, and using the bathroom, eliminating what’s not being absorbed, your morning weight is a much more accurate (more, not exact) picture of what you weigh. That’s why it’s been so widely utilized over the years.
Considering the fairly large amount of fluctuations that occur throughout the day (which can be very dramatic depending on the person, and their specific choice of foods), taking scale weights during that time will not give an accurate reading at all.
This is why I always tell people to focus on their lowest morning weight each week as an indicator of movement. Focusing on the highest weight, at a time when it’s least useful will not give a good picture of what’s going on.
S
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]trivium wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Of course it matter how much had you eaten how much water fiber ect. You want to control as many variables as possible. I can gain 10lbs in a day easy. Why would I want that as my weight?[/quote]
It doesnt matter. If anyone does my recommendation to a T, they are going to do this for a year. If you eat 10 lbs of food today and go from 165 to 175, then you had better be 176 at some point next week. Little guys need not major in the minors. Unless you are going to go out and get some miralax and do a bowel prep, you are always going to be carrying around some food. Also, if you don’t stay hydrated at a constant maintenance level (the day after you have too much beer for example), your AM weight will fluctuate as well. The guy who is 135 lbs doesn’t need to worry about his exact weight. He only needs to be concerned with gaining it. I doubt anyone is going to go from 135 to 220 on food weight alone. Plus, IMO if you really are bodybuilding, your mirror will always trump your scale when it comes to how you look. The trophy doesn’t always go to the heaviest guy, or the person with the largest chest circumference, etc. Weight is an indicator of gain, but it is not the only factor we are looking at for the guy who is just starting out. We are also looking at his workout log (new rep records or more total weight lifted or more sets), how he feels, his perceived exertion per workout, etc.[/quote]
Didn’t see mention any of those other factors in any other post. You are also the first person that is serious about lifting that uses gym weight as a bench mark over morning weight[/quote]
I always use morning weight after I piss.[/quote]
I also do this.[/quote]
doesn’t everyone?
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]trivium wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Of course it matter how much had you eaten how much water fiber ect. You want to control as many variables as possible. I can gain 10lbs in a day easy. Why would I want that as my weight?[/quote]
It doesnt matter. If anyone does my recommendation to a T, they are going to do this for a year. If you eat 10 lbs of food today and go from 165 to 175, then you had better be 176 at some point next week. Little guys need not major in the minors. Unless you are going to go out and get some miralax and do a bowel prep, you are always going to be carrying around some food. Also, if you don’t stay hydrated at a constant maintenance level (the day after you have too much beer for example), your AM weight will fluctuate as well. The guy who is 135 lbs doesn’t need to worry about his exact weight. He only needs to be concerned with gaining it. I doubt anyone is going to go from 135 to 220 on food weight alone. Plus, IMO if you really are bodybuilding, your mirror will always trump your scale when it comes to how you look. The trophy doesn’t always go to the heaviest guy, or the person with the largest chest circumference, etc. Weight is an indicator of gain, but it is not the only factor we are looking at for the guy who is just starting out. We are also looking at his workout log (new rep records or more total weight lifted or more sets), how he feels, his perceived exertion per workout, etc.[/quote]
Didn’t see mention any of those other factors in any other post. You are also the first person that is serious about lifting that uses gym weight as a bench mark over morning weight[/quote]
I always use morning weight after I piss.[/quote]
I also do this.[/quote]
doesn’t everyone?
[/quote]
Guess there is one guy who feels gym weight is better
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]trivium wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Of course it matter how much had you eaten how much water fiber ect. You want to control as many variables as possible. I can gain 10lbs in a day easy. Why would I want that as my weight?[/quote]
It doesnt matter. If anyone does my recommendation to a T, they are going to do this for a year. If you eat 10 lbs of food today and go from 165 to 175, then you had better be 176 at some point next week. Little guys need not major in the minors. Unless you are going to go out and get some miralax and do a bowel prep, you are always going to be carrying around some food. Also, if you don’t stay hydrated at a constant maintenance level (the day after you have too much beer for example), your AM weight will fluctuate as well. The guy who is 135 lbs doesn’t need to worry about his exact weight. He only needs to be concerned with gaining it. I doubt anyone is going to go from 135 to 220 on food weight alone. Plus, IMO if you really are bodybuilding, your mirror will always trump your scale when it comes to how you look. The trophy doesn’t always go to the heaviest guy, or the person with the largest chest circumference, etc. Weight is an indicator of gain, but it is not the only factor we are looking at for the guy who is just starting out. We are also looking at his workout log (new rep records or more total weight lifted or more sets), how he feels, his perceived exertion per workout, etc.[/quote]
Didn’t see mention any of those other factors in any other post. You are also the first person that is serious about lifting that uses gym weight as a bench mark over morning weight[/quote]
I always use morning weight after I piss.[/quote]
I also do this.[/quote]
doesn’t everyone?
[/quote]
I thought so…
[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
Its possible to be objective I would say, post your [simplified] approach and some pictures. Ex: I favor big eats, pics on profile[/quote]
Basically this. It isn’t like real gym rats need to prove what big is “objectively”. You know it when you see it. It is subjective all the way around but the opinion of big to a gym rat is way different than that of a sedentary person.
No one here cares what big to a sedentary person is.
[quote]jppage wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]trivium wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Of course it matter how much had you eaten how much water fiber ect. You want to control as many variables as possible. I can gain 10lbs in a day easy. Why would I want that as my weight?[/quote]
It doesnt matter. If anyone does my recommendation to a T, they are going to do this for a year. If you eat 10 lbs of food today and go from 165 to 175, then you had better be 176 at some point next week. Little guys need not major in the minors. Unless you are going to go out and get some miralax and do a bowel prep, you are always going to be carrying around some food. Also, if you don’t stay hydrated at a constant maintenance level (the day after you have too much beer for example), your AM weight will fluctuate as well. The guy who is 135 lbs doesn’t need to worry about his exact weight. He only needs to be concerned with gaining it. I doubt anyone is going to go from 135 to 220 on food weight alone. Plus, IMO if you really are bodybuilding, your mirror will always trump your scale when it comes to how you look. The trophy doesn’t always go to the heaviest guy, or the person with the largest chest circumference, etc. Weight is an indicator of gain, but it is not the only factor we are looking at for the guy who is just starting out. We are also looking at his workout log (new rep records or more total weight lifted or more sets), how he feels, his perceived exertion per workout, etc.[/quote]
Didn’t see mention any of those other factors in any other post. You are also the first person that is serious about lifting that uses gym weight as a bench mark over morning weight[/quote]
I always use morning weight after I piss.[/quote]
I also do this.[/quote]
doesn’t everyone?
[/quote]
I thought so…[/quote]
Again, it doesn’t matter as long as that number is moving up. I eat a ton before I go to sleep sometimes.
Losing weight or making weight is a different story. Then I would argue that you should go with the first thing in the morning, after you go to the bathroom.
[quote]trivium wrote:
Again, it doesn’t matter as long as that number is moving up. I eat a ton before I go to sleep sometimes.
Losing weight or making weight is a different story. Then I would argue that you should go with the first thing in the morning, after you go to the bathroom.[/quote]
Agreed. I used to weigh myself after meals. It doesn’t matter as long as what you are doing is motivating you to reach your goal.
It did.
Therefore, it is good.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
Its possible to be objective I would say, post your [simplified] approach and some pictures. Ex: I favor big eats, pics on profile[/quote]
Basically this. It isn’t like real gym rats need to prove what big is “objectively”. You know it when you see it. It is subjective all the way around but the opinion of big to a gym rat is way different than that of a sedentary person.
No one here cares what big to a sedentary person is.[/quote]
I used to look at guys in my gym who I thought were big. A year later, I am now bigger/stronger than them, and now they look small to me.
People also don’t understand leanness. Seeing muscles somehow makes that person bigger to a sedentary person.
[quote]trivium wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
Its possible to be objective I would say, post your [simplified] approach and some pictures. Ex: I favor big eats, pics on profile[/quote]
Basically this. It isn’t like real gym rats need to prove what big is “objectively”. You know it when you see it. It is subjective all the way around but the opinion of big to a gym rat is way different than that of a sedentary person.
No one here cares what big to a sedentary person is.[/quote]
I used to look at guys in my gym who I thought were big. A year later, I am now bigger/stronger than them, and now they look small to me.
People also don’t understand leanness. Seeing muscles somehow makes that person bigger to a sedentary person.[/quote]
Agreed. It is one thing to post a picture of someone who is well proportioned and smaller…and quite another to post a picture of someone who is really muscular.
Johnny Jackson has gotten pretty heavy before and he didn’t need to be in contest shaoe for me to see all of that muscle.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]trivium wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
Its possible to be objective I would say, post your [simplified] approach and some pictures. Ex: I favor big eats, pics on profile[/quote]
Basically this. It isn’t like real gym rats need to prove what big is “objectively”. You know it when you see it. It is subjective all the way around but the opinion of big to a gym rat is way different than that of a sedentary person.
No one here cares what big to a sedentary person is.[/quote]
I used to look at guys in my gym who I thought were big. A year later, I am now bigger/stronger than them, and now they look small to me.
People also don’t understand leanness. Seeing muscles somehow makes that person bigger to a sedentary person.[/quote]
Agreed. It is one thing to post a picture of someone who is well proportioned and smaller…and quite another to post a picture of someone who is really muscular.
Johnny Jackson has gotten pretty heavy before and he didn’t need to be in contest shaoe for me to see all of that muscle.[/quote]
Using a heavy AAS user is not a good example for what nattys should be doing
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]trivium wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
Its possible to be objective I would say, post your [simplified] approach and some pictures. Ex: I favor big eats, pics on profile[/quote]
Basically this. It isn’t like real gym rats need to prove what big is “objectively”. You know it when you see it. It is subjective all the way around but the opinion of big to a gym rat is way different than that of a sedentary person.
No one here cares what big to a sedentary person is.[/quote]
I used to look at guys in my gym who I thought were big. A year later, I am now bigger/stronger than them, and now they look small to me.
People also don’t understand leanness. Seeing muscles somehow makes that person bigger to a sedentary person.[/quote]
Agreed. It is one thing to post a picture of someone who is well proportioned and smaller…and quite another to post a picture of someone who is really muscular.
Johnny Jackson has gotten pretty heavy before and he didn’t need to be in contest shaoe for me to see all of that muscle.[/quote]
Using a heavy AAS user is not a good example for what nattys should be doing
[/quote]
?? When did this thread become some guide to only “natties”? The rules don’t change much either way aside from dieting.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]trivium wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
Its possible to be objective I would say, post your [simplified] approach and some pictures. Ex: I favor big eats, pics on profile[/quote]
Basically this. It isn’t like real gym rats need to prove what big is “objectively”. You know it when you see it. It is subjective all the way around but the opinion of big to a gym rat is way different than that of a sedentary person.
No one here cares what big to a sedentary person is.[/quote]
I used to look at guys in my gym who I thought were big. A year later, I am now bigger/stronger than them, and now they look small to me.
People also don’t understand leanness. Seeing muscles somehow makes that person bigger to a sedentary person.[/quote]
Agreed. It is one thing to post a picture of someone who is well proportioned and smaller…and quite another to post a picture of someone who is really muscular.
Johnny Jackson has gotten pretty heavy before and he didn’t need to be in contest shaoe for me to see all of that muscle.[/quote]
Using a heavy AAS user is not a good example for what nattys should be doing
[/quote]
?? When did this thread become some guide to only “natties”? The rules don’t change much either way aside from dieting.[/quote]
Yes they most certianly change. You can accomplish things on AAS that nattys simply cannot. It changes the bodies physiology. How would that make the approaches they take different?