[quote]myself1992 wrote:
Hunger, when you’re primed for growth you’ll be hungrier. Your ody is smart and knows what it needs you just have to listen to it. If you eat more calories than what your body needs to put on muscle you’ll just get fat like stu said[/quote]
So what about me whose body is never hungry? :([/quote]
You’re not primed for growth and are doomed to he small forever.
Sorry.[/quote]
Just smoke some weed.
Food for thought on first cycles.
Doesn’t mention if PCT was done or how much was kept post cycle. The average gain was about 15lbs of fat free mass. Doesn’t say much about diet either.[/quote]
I just started back on 7 days ago and previous to that had been off all gear for 3 months. I never really notice a huge size or strength decrease. I may lose some reps, but my strength stays relatively the same. I do feel like I get a little softer, but to the extent of such could be in my head mostly.
And if I ate whenever I was hungry I would be 500 pounds of lard haha.
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I need to get my hands on some Test make me some gains. Seeing your Avi and other pics of you in certain threads just gets me thinking ‘‘If I could be 1/4 as big as Bauber, mannn would I look swole!’’[/quote]
Oh come on guys, I am not THAT big.
Test will definitely put some quality meat on you granted you eat enough and have everything else in line.
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How many calories do you typically take in? And how tall are you? I’m too lazy to go look for you RMP thread. [/quote]
I am 5’11. I take in around 4800-5500 calories roughly sometimes less. I don’t have an issue keeping or gaining weight usually.
RMP thread for ease
Training log where I have days of training and my meals for the day.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Truth drugs are not magic. Do not use until you as a natty have everything else nailed down [/quote]
You have to work even HARDER when using AAS. More recovery = more food = more training. [/quote]
Many see it as the opposite. Less diet less training drugs as a crutch. Your thoughts are perfect though. [/quote]
With greater power comes greater responsabilities. And yeah, Bauber, you are THAT big. In person you must be a truckload of meat and power ahahah[/quote]
Exactly you have to train even harder and eat consistently day after day. It gets harder the bigger you get.
Lmao. Well in person I hope I don’t disappoint. Every gym I go to it seems like I spend an hour answering questions, which is fine. BUT I do get some really weird ones.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Regardless, you did well and can be commended. In all fairness though you are also at a stage in your life where the “post-adolescent push” (hormones/final growth spurt) is filling your sails. It will not be like this as you age, trust me.[/quote]
This is a valid point that shouldn’t be over-looked. You youngsters deserve much credit for your efforts; but many of you would have added the size without ever stepping foot in the gym. Things will be very different after your mid-twenties. A full-time job, girlfriend/wife, children, etc. along with a training schedule and the willingness to put forth the effort required to progress is a challenge. Yes it’s a marathon…with an endless stream of hurdles, swamps, and flaming hoops to navigate. I hope you boys are around for the next five years or so. We know where you’re at now and I look forward to monitoring your progess from here.
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I keep trying to go into this but I get told that this makes me not so serious…for working hard through the natural pits and falls of life and still making progress.
If your body is ready to grow 5lbs and you only feed it enough for 2, you will hold yourself back.[/quote]
How have you figured out when your body is primed to gain 2 or 5 pounds of muscle in a specific time frame and how can you tell?
I assume–though wrongfully so–that your implied strategy is just gross overeating. I’ve asked your strategy before and we’re talking about others’ strategies here. Care to share yours… with some details that is?[/quote]
Hunger, when you’re primed for growth you’ll be hungrier. Your ody is smart and knows what it needs you just have to listen to it. If you eat more calories than what your body needs to put on muscle you’ll just get fat like stu said[/quote]
You do understand this is NOT how the body works? Everyone won’t get “hunger” as a constant sign to eat at that precise time. That doesn’t really even make sense considering your hunger is related more to your daily schedule and diurnal rhythm.
When I was a kid I had NO APPETITE. I had to force myself to eat to gain. Had I( listened to false info like this I never would have been this size.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Truth drugs are not magic. Do not use until you as a natty have everything else nailed down [/quote]
You have to work even HARDER when using AAS. More recovery = more food = more training. [/quote]
Many see it as the opposite. Less diet less training drugs as a crutch. Your thoughts are perfect though. [/quote]
With greater power comes greater responsabilities. And yeah, Bauber, you are THAT big. In person you must be a truckload of meat and power ahahah[/quote]
Exactly you have to train even harder and eat consistently day after day. It gets harder the bigger you get.
Lmao. Well in person I hope I don’t disappoint. Every gym I go to it seems like I spend an hour answering questions, which is fine. BUT I do get some really weird ones.[/quote]
Some must get pretty creepy ahah, but yeah, answering all kinds of questions must be getting redundent and time consuming.
Random question like that to everyone: What’s your opinion on weight gainer? Recently ordered a relatively low carb gainer (Universal Real Gains, something like : P:56 C:87 F:8) because I don’t have the biggest appetite and like to drink some tasty proteinzz
"Well, I actually do “eat when I’m hungry” and it turns out to be every 3ish hours…I am not really eating by the clock, it just works out this way. If I am up later I will eat an extra meal as I will get hungry again
I def do not believe in force feeding in general, BUT in some cases, people need to train their appetite as they have gotten used to not eaching much at all, and don’t get hungry. In those case I will force someone to gradually work calories up to a degree.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
"Well, I actually do “eat when I’m hungry” and it turns out to be every 3ish hours…I am not really eating by the clock, it just works out this way. If I am up later I will eat an extra meal as I will get hungry again
I def do not believe in force feeding in general, BUT in some cases, people need to train their appetite as they have gotten used to not eaching much at all, and don’t get hungry. In those case I will force someone to gradually work calories up to a degree.
JM "[/quote]
You teach your body when to be hungry. I mean that literally. It is adaptive. I got hungry nearly every 3 hours on the dot…back when I was eating almost every three hours on the dot. I don’t eat that often now because I changed my eating habits. I now get hungry at that new appropriate time.
This is based on METABOLISM and genetics. Some skinny kid like I was should never be told to only eat when hungry…unless you are trying to keep him from ever getting big.
This goes back to that “trial and error” thing and learning to listen to your own body…and also learning when to teach your body something new.
I had seen people tell others before to only eat when hungry. I am not sure how stuff like that gets loose and spreads like truth.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
"Well, I actually do “eat when I’m hungry” and it turns out to be every 3ish hours…I am not really eating by the clock, it just works out this way. If I am up later I will eat an extra meal as I will get hungry again
I def do not believe in force feeding in general, BUT in some cases, people need to train their appetite as they have gotten used to not eaching much at all, and don’t get hungry. In those case I will force someone to gradually work calories up to a degree.
JM "[/quote]
You teach your body when to be hungry. I mean that literally. It is adaptive. I got hungry nearly every 3 hours on the dot…back when I was eating almost every three hours on the dot. I don’t eat that often now because I changed my eating habits. I now get hungry at that new appropriate time.
This is based on METABOLISM and genetics. Some skinny kid like I was should never be told to only eat when hungry…unless you are trying to keep him from ever getting big.
This goes back to that “trial and error” thing and learning to listen to your own body…and also learning when to teach your body something new.
I had seen people tell others before to only eat when hungry. I am not sure how stuff like that gets loose and spreads like truth.[/quote]
Absolutely.
I agree that you can teach your body when to feel hungry up to a point. I experimented years ago with IF and even a full day fast on a Wednesday and although it was hard initially it got easier over a very short period of time and my hunger pangs disappeared.
When I stopped doing it and reverted to more traditional eating patterns I became hungry every few hours
If your body is ready to grow 5lbs and you only feed it enough for 2, you will hold yourself back.[/quote]
How have you figured out when your body is primed to gain 2 or 5 pounds of muscle in a specific time frame and how can you tell?
I assume–though wrongfully so–that your implied strategy is just gross overeating. I’ve asked your strategy before and we’re talking about others’ strategies here. Care to share yours… with some details that is?[/quote]
Hunger, when you’re primed for growth you’ll be hungrier. Your ody is smart and knows what it needs you just have to listen to it. If you eat more calories than what your body needs to put on muscle you’ll just get fat like stu said[/quote]
You do understand this is NOT how the body works? Everyone won’t get “hunger” as a constant sign to eat at that precise time. That doesn’t really even make sense considering your hunger is related more to your daily schedule and diurnal rhythm.
When I was a kid I had NO APPETITE. I had to force myself to eat to gain. Had I( listened to false info like this I never would have been this size.
This is not biology. This is bro-science.[/quote]
Totally agree with this. I’d still be 130lbs if i “listened to my body”.
If your body is ready to grow 5lbs and you only feed it enough for 2, you will hold yourself back.[/quote]
How have you figured out when your body is primed to gain 2 or 5 pounds of muscle in a specific time frame and how can you tell?
I assume–though wrongfully so–that your implied strategy is just gross overeating. I’ve asked your strategy before and we’re talking about others’ strategies here. Care to share yours… with some details that is?[/quote]
Hunger, when you’re primed for growth you’ll be hungrier. Your ody is smart and knows what it needs you just have to listen to it. If you eat more calories than what your body needs to put on muscle you’ll just get fat like stu said[/quote]
You do understand this is NOT how the body works? Everyone won’t get “hunger” as a constant sign to eat at that precise time. That doesn’t really even make sense considering your hunger is related more to your daily schedule and diurnal rhythm.
When I was a kid I had NO APPETITE. I had to force myself to eat to gain. Had I( listened to false info like this I never would have been this size.
This is not biology. This is bro-science.[/quote]
We can all tell you force fed yourself we can see it… No point in giving the body more than what it needs… Unless you want to be “full house” lmao
If your body is ready to grow 5lbs and you only feed it enough for 2, you will hold yourself back.[/quote]
How have you figured out when your body is primed to gain 2 or 5 pounds of muscle in a specific time frame and how can you tell?
I assume–though wrongfully so–that your implied strategy is just gross overeating. I’ve asked your strategy before and we’re talking about others’ strategies here. Care to share yours… with some details that is?[/quote]
Hunger, when you’re primed for growth you’ll be hungrier. Your ody is smart and knows what it needs you just have to listen to it. If you eat more calories than what your body needs to put on muscle you’ll just get fat like stu said[/quote]
You do understand this is NOT how the body works? Everyone won’t get “hunger” as a constant sign to eat at that precise time. That doesn’t really even make sense considering your hunger is related more to your daily schedule and diurnal rhythm.
When I was a kid I had NO APPETITE. I had to force myself to eat to gain. Had I( listened to false info like this I never would have been this size.
This is not biology. This is bro-science.[/quote]
Totally agree with this. I’d still be 130lbs if i “listened to my body”. [/quote]
You need to learn to understand what its telling you first
We can all tell you force fed yourself we can see it… No point in giving the body more than what it needs… Unless you want to be “full house” lmao[/quote]
What was the point of this? You can tell I forced fed myself? The point also is, the truth is you won’t know how much your body needs before it actually needs it.
How much fat you allow yourself to carry in the process is individual.
You need to learn to understand what its telling you first [/quote]
Mine told me to eat when NOT hungry…which is way different than what you wrote.[/quote]
Okay let me try to expand a little. If you do actually get hungry, the empty stomach starving type of feeling, you will be losing size. You have to know the signals the body sends right before it will start feeling actual true hunger so you actually anticipate it. If you eat too little you will be getting hungry and not put on as much muscle as you can, if you stuff yourself and feel full and bloated you’ll be eating more than you need and you’ll get fat.
So it’s not exactly eating when you’re hungry but its the easiest way to put it. If you’ve never trained before and your maintenance is at 2000 for your bodyweight and you start training, you will get hungrier than you were before and you will gain weight just because you’re eating more although you’re still eating when hungry. You also have to make sure you have the right macros at each meal because if you don’t then you’ll lose on some of the gains.
You don’t have to agree with me you do your thing your way I’ll do it mine and people will choose whichever way makes sense to them.
Okay let me try to expand a little. If you do actually get hungry, the empty stomach starving type of feeling, you will be losing size. You have to know the signals the body sends right before it will start feeling actual true hunger so you actually anticipate it.[/quote]
That was a great textbook answer.
The problem is, the human condition is not so black and white.
I got nauseated during meal times and unless forced could easily go a whole day as a kid and only eat once.
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If you eat too little you will be getting hungry and not put on as much muscle as you can, if you stuff yourself and feel full and bloated you’ll be eating more than you need and you’ll get fat. [/quote]
But…I had to feel boated much of the time to build muscle.
That just comes with it for some people.
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So it’s not exactly eating when you’re hungry but its the easiest way to put it. If you’ve never trained before and your maintenance is at 2000 for your bodyweight and you start training, you will get hungrier than you were before and you will gain weight just because you’re eating more although you’re still eating when hungry. You also have to make sure you have the right macros at each meal because if you don’t then you’ll lose on some of the gains. You don’t have to agree with me you do your thing your way I’ll do it mine and people will choose whichever way makes sense to them.[/quote]
It isn’t about “what makes sense”. It is about known biology.
Everyone does not have the same metabolism…and appetite can have huge neurological influences to the degree that stress itself can decrease the need for more food.
This is all already known to happen.
It is the difference between understanding this stuff a little or whole lot.
Only bringing it up here because I was told by another poster that you never did bulk up.
It seems they were quite wrong.[/quote]
Thank you Prof X.
Yeah I have done some bulking stints and some went well and some didn’t. I always gained muscle, but I have changed some things to get the optimum muscle gain to fat ratio for my body. Which just so happens to include me eating pretty clean year round.
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