Lol you said over 20%. That would be more than 3%. And I only said 17 Becuase it gets hard to start determining after 15.
My profile is old and have stated where I am at many times since the big mass monsters like you and X like to call me out. Started at 155. Now 220 kept my 6pack the whole time. Would you like more details?[/quote]
Gained 65 pounds over 2 years? holy molly thats joocy!!
Dude, do you realize how much taller you are? You have made good progress…but some of us do want more size than that.
Also, it does not get hard to dertermine body fat over 15%. Who told you this? Since MOST PEOPLE are over 15% that would completely eliminate fat readings for most of the population.
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Who said I am done? Why am I judged on what I have done in 2 years. Why do I have to stop at that size? I want more size lol[/quote]
You gained 65 pounds over 2 years of training? holy molly!! that is joocy my friend.
Lol you said over 20%. That would be more than 3%. And I only said 17 Becuase it gets hard to start determining after 15.
My profile is old and have stated where I am at many times since the big mass monsters like you and X like to call me out. Started at 155. Now 220 kept my 6pack the whole time. Would you like more details?[/quote]
Gained 65 pounds over 2 years? holy molly thats joocy!!
Dude, do you realize how much taller you are? You have made good progress…but some of us do want more size than that.
Also, it does not get hard to dertermine body fat over 15%. Who told you this? Since MOST PEOPLE are over 15% that would completely eliminate fat readings for most of the population.
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Who said I am done? Why am I judged on what I have done in 2 years. Why do I have to stop at that size? I want more size lol[/quote]
You gained 65 pounds over 2 years of training? holy molly!! that is joocy my friend.[/quote]
Wish it was more solid and less watery and from so much food. If I cut back on food and carbs I know id drop 10lbs easy in a day or two. Also I had been up to 190 through Hs so muscle memory certainly helped
Also being lean helps process nutrients and a phase or two of getting decently lean can sling shot gains. I also started very very low bf and underweight. And cut to pretty lean and dehydrated and really primed for growth a couple months ago. IMO it really helps with growth
^That’s what I’m saying. I never mean any disrespect towards X or push. I’ve given them some trouble just as they do with others. My main beef with their posts has always been how they come off as assuming that their way is superior and that there just isn’t any possibility of “leaner guys” ever getting as big or strong as them. X is, what, 37? That means I have 15 years, YEARS, to slowly bulk to acquire the “really huge muscles” he always talks about. I’m pretty confident in my ability to do that.
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
^That’s what I’m saying. I never mean any disrespect towards X or push. I’ve given them some trouble just as they do with others. My main beef with their posts has always been how they come off as assuming that their way is superior and that there just isn’t any possibility of “leaner guys” ever getting as big or strong as them. X is, what, 37? That means I have 15 years, YEARS, to slowly bulk to acquire the “really huge muscles” he always talks about. I’m pretty confident in my ability to do that.[/quote]
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
^That’s what I’m saying. I never mean any disrespect towards X or push. I’ve given them some trouble just as they do with others. My main beef with their posts has always been how they come off as assuming that their way is superior and that there just isn’t any possibility of “leaner guys” ever getting as big or strong as them. X is, what, 37? That means I have 15 years, YEARS, to slowly bulk to acquire the “really huge muscles” he always talks about. I’m pretty confident in my ability to do that.[/quote]
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
^That’s what I’m saying. I never mean any disrespect towards X or push. I’ve given them some trouble just as they do with others. My main beef with their posts has always been how they come off as assuming that their way is superior and that there just isn’t any possibility of “leaner guys” ever getting as big or strong as them. X is, what, 37? That means I have 15 years, YEARS, to slowly bulk to acquire the “really huge muscles” he always talks about. I’m pretty confident in my ability to do that.[/quote]
With the knowledge you have, you’re going to probably gain it in much less time, more like 5 to 7 years.
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
Also, I went from roughly 180 to (as of last night) 238 in about a year and a half. So, like ryan has said: I’m not sure how we are “slow bulking”.[/quote]
Holy shit man, thats insane! I’m currently 160 (at 5’7, wasted YEARS going from ''Starvation mode to dreamer’s bulk and not making any gainzzz) Now i’m trying to get to 175 by the end of the year. Just like that, what’s your training split looking like?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Regardless, you did well and can be commended. In all fairness though you are also at a stage in your life where the “post-adolescent push” (hormones/final growth spurt) is filling your sails. It will not be like this as you age, trust me.[/quote]
This is a valid point that shouldn’t be over-looked. You youngsters deserve much credit for your efforts; but many of you would have added the size without ever stepping foot in the gym. Things will be very different after your mid-twenties. A full-time job, girlfriend/wife, children, etc. along with a training schedule and the willingness to put forth the effort required to progress is a challenge. Yes it’s a marathon…with an endless stream of hurdles, swamps, and flaming hoops to navigate. I hope you boys are around for the next five years or so. We know where you’re at now and I look forward to monitoring your progess from here.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Regardless, you did well and can be commended. In all fairness though you are also at a stage in your life where the “post-adolescent push” (hormones/final growth spurt) is filling your sails. It will not be like this as you age, trust me.[/quote]
This is a valid point that shouldn’t be over-looked. You youngsters deserve much credit for your efforts; but many of you would have added the size without ever stepping foot in the gym. Things will be very different after your mid-twenties. A full-time job, girlfriend/wife, children, etc. along with a training schedule and the willingness to put forth the effort required to progress is a challenge. Yes it’s a marathon…with an endless stream of hurdles, swamps, and flaming hoops to navigate. I hope you boys are around for the next five years or so. We know where you’re at now and I look forward to monitoring your progess from here.
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This is a great post. I’m not sure if the age thing “adds up” by mid-30’s, but I’ll tell you, once I met my girlfriend (who I plan on marrying) and living with her, and being more involved in all sorts family and work-related stuff, my life has changed in such a way that I can’t simply go to the gym when I feel like or for how long I want to–not so much to finish a workout, but to possibly shoot the breeze with people I know, take my sweet ass time chatting between sets, and so on. I’m not longer into only lifting, and do a variety of activities now, but all that requires “fitting things in” rather than doing as I please. To estimate, I used to arrive at nearly every workout. Now, there are there are so many workouts - not the majority - in which as I’m warming up there are so many other damn things in my head: “Did I remember to do ____ at work?” "Shit, I forgot to call… " Or I’ll be driving in traffic and in my head thinking, “God f---- damn it - DRIVE! I don’t got all god damn night to go to the gym and I’ve been through too much shit today (commute, annoying crap at work).”
I used to think all those middle aged and old geezers were being wimpy and talking smack when they spoke: "You’ll see, when you… (insert dozens of adult responsibilities)… you’re not gonna be able to … " or "… it won’t be as easy to… ". Now I know exactly what they spoke of. Sometimes I think just how the hell I’ll keep this lifestyle up with kids. I know I’m gonna do it, but I just think a lot, How?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Regardless, you did well and can be commended. In all fairness though you are also at a stage in your life where the “post-adolescent push” (hormones/final growth spurt) is filling your sails. It will not be like this as you age, trust me.[/quote]
This is a valid point that shouldn’t be over-looked. You youngsters deserve much credit for your efforts; but many of you would have added the size without ever stepping foot in the gym. Things will be very different after your mid-twenties. A full-time job, girlfriend/wife, children, etc. along with a training schedule and the willingness to put forth the effort required to progress is a challenge. Yes it’s a marathon…with an endless stream of hurdles, swamps, and flaming hoops to navigate. I hope you boys are around for the next five years or so. We know where you’re at now and I look forward to monitoring your progess from here.
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Totally agree…but I still don’t think you need to lose abs to get to 220-230 lean…I did it you just need consistency. Also TRT and other funskis can help a TON in later years.
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
^That’s what I’m saying. I never mean any disrespect towards X or push. I’ve given them some trouble just as they do with others. My main beef with their posts has always been how they come off as assuming that their way is superior and that there just isn’t any possibility of “leaner guys” ever getting as big or strong as them. X is, what, 37? That means I have 15 years, YEARS, to slowly bulk to acquire the “really huge muscles” he always talks about. I’m pretty confident in my ability to do that.[/quote]
100% agreed. It’s a marathon not a sprint. [/quote]
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Regardless, you did well and can be commended. In all fairness though you are also at a stage in your life where the “post-adolescent push” (hormones/final growth spurt) is filling your sails. It will not be like this as you age, trust me.[/quote]
This is a valid point that shouldn’t be over-looked. You youngsters deserve much credit for your efforts; but many of you would have added the size without ever stepping foot in the gym. Things will be very different after your mid-twenties. A full-time job, girlfriend/wife, children, etc. along with a training schedule and the willingness to put forth the effort required to progress is a challenge. Yes it’s a marathon…with an endless stream of hurdles, swamps, and flaming hoops to navigate. I hope you boys are around for the next five years or so. We know where you’re at now and I look forward to monitoring your progess from here.
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I’m making some of the best progress of my life now at 30… by staying leaner. But I’m tracking my diet and planning my training much better than I ever have too. Some tools of getting older can help balance out the tools of youth.
I realized I was old the other day when my alarm didn’t go off at 5:20 to get me up for training, and I woke up anyway.