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[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

lol there’s actually quite a few rumours/myths surrounding McDonalds. I remember in high school I was told McDonald’s bought their beef from a company named 100% beef just so they could use the term 100% beef in their advertising without it being true.

EDIT: McDonald's urban legends - Wikipedia
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That’s why I’m asking this because I hear a lot of people saying stuff like that but not a lot of actual facts of what makes a burger from McDonald’s so terrible.
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Not sure of the health implications but the food industry does a lot of weird crap to our food. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the stuff they do could really fuck up ones health. There’s a decent book (kinda boring) on the subject called The End of Overeating by David Kessler which discusses this subject in detail.

With respect to meat one thing I remember reading is they inject digestive enzymes into their chicken breasts so you have to chew less and can eat more before feeling of fullness kicks in. Thought that was messed up!

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i think the way mcd’s prepares their burgers might be a source of why they are so shitty. next time you cook with beef, let what you have cooked sit in the fat of beef you cooked earlier that day for about 20 mins. generally, when i cook with beef its a lot leaner and the drippings get poured out not soaked in. in general, i prefer harveys angus burgers.

on a separate but similar note, homemade tacos are better than taco bell. there. i said it.

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[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

lol there’s actually quite a few rumours/myths surrounding McDonalds. I remember in high school I was told McDonald’s bought their beef from a company named 100% beef just so they could use the term 100% beef in their advertising without it being true.

EDIT: McDonald's urban legends - Wikipedia
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That’s why I’m asking this because I hear a lot of people saying stuff like that but not a lot of actual facts of what makes a burger from McDonald’s so terrible.
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You will find that the board will get much quieter now that this has been stated.

I used to write that when I went to Burger King that I ate the burgers with no mayonnaise and asked the cooks to press the grease out into paper towels. I was told that I was telling everyone to get fat and die.

When I was eating there, if the cooks didn’t do it, I would ask them to give me the meat in a separate container and press the grease out myself. I fail to see what is so unhealthy about their sandwich after all of this and no one else can tell me either without making up shit about what I’m writing.

The bottom line is, I got big muscles. Obviously something worked.

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Something you might want to keep an eye on for the homemade burger vs McDonald’s burger…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

You will find that the board will get much quieter now that this has been stated.

I used to write that when I went to Burger King that I ate the burgers with no mayonnaise and asked the cooks to press the grease out into paper towels. I was told that I was telling everyone to get fat and die.

When I was eating there, if the cooks didn’t do it, I would ask them to give me the meat in a separate container and press the grease out myself. I fail to see what is so unhealthy about their sandwich after all of this and no one else can tell me either without making up shit about what I’m writing.

The bottom line is, I got big muscles. Obviously something worked.[/quote]

that being said it is not necessarily and indicator of good health (not saying that you aren’t) and it worked for you, but for the majority of people out there it most likely will not work (your an exception, between being active and genetically gifted say). My argument was that you will never be at optimal health eating those kind of foods. You can be relatively healthy and eat it in moderation but how many people do you know that have the self discipline to actually do that?

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[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

You will find that the board will get much quieter now that this has been stated.

I used to write that when I went to Burger King that I ate the burgers with no mayonnaise and asked the cooks to press the grease out into paper towels. I was told that I was telling everyone to get fat and die.

When I was eating there, if the cooks didn’t do it, I would ask them to give me the meat in a separate container and press the grease out myself. I fail to see what is so unhealthy about their sandwich after all of this and no one else can tell me either without making up shit about what I’m writing.

The bottom line is, I got big muscles. Obviously something worked.[/quote]

that being said it is not necessarily and indicator of good health (not saying that you aren’t) and it worked for you, but for the majority of people out there it most likely will not work (your an exception, between being active and genetically gifted say). My argument was that you will never be at optimal health eating those kind of foods. You can be relatively healthy and eat it in moderation but how many people do you know that have the self discipline to actually do that?
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This is a bodybuilding/weightlifting forum. If they don’t have the discipline, they don’t belong here.

By the way, repeating bullshit doesn’t make it true. I will wait for you to tell me what exactly about a hamburger with all of the grease drained out with no mayo is going to lead to poor health.

You are using words like “optimal health” as if your health is more than the lack of a disease process.

Also, besides reading articles, what is your educational background?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

This is a bodybuilding/weightlifting forum. If they don’t have the discipline, they don’t belong here.

By the way, repeating bullshit doesn’t make it true. I will wait for you to tell me what exactly about a hamburger with all of the grease drained out with no mayo is going to lead to poor health.

You are using words like “optimal health” as if your health is more than the lack of a disease process.

Also, besides reading articles, what is your educational background?[/quote]

I have no formal education, I do not confess to being an expert. Whenever I come across a topic I research it as much as I can (via the guy I train with who has formal education in multiple health and fitness related fields, books from the local university curriculum and many friends that I have studying in various related fields).

You are acting like I am trying to punch you in the face or something, I am just discussing the topic.

I agree that if they don’t have discipline then this isn’t the place for them.

Out of a logical point of view you can’t tell me that someone eating wholesome organic food is no better than someone eating fast food?
From personal experience after quitting grains and dairy and restricting my diet to foods where I can confirm origins I feel about 50 times better than I ever felt while consuming the afore mentioned foods. Also from personal experience when I used to still eat fast food every so often I could feel a drop in my performance after a burger/pizza/other. Having seen other people go through a similair experience the conclusion I cam to is that it affects some people more than others but everyone to a degree. The extent of the effects will determine how much you can tolerate, in my case virtually nothing. Seem logical enough?

Also I do believe that health is more than lack of disease. There are many people that are disease free but yet do not have a good quality of life due to less that “optimal” (yeh I used it again) health.

Seriously man I am not trying to challenge your morals and values I am just laying down my argument

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

You will find that the board will get much quieter now that this has been stated.

I used to write that when I went to Burger King that I ate the burgers with no mayonnaise and asked the cooks to press the grease out into paper towels. I was told that I was telling everyone to get fat and die.

When I was eating there, if the cooks didn’t do it, I would ask them to give me the meat in a separate container and press the grease out myself. I fail to see what is so unhealthy about their sandwich after all of this and no one else can tell me either without making up shit about what I’m writing.

The bottom line is, I got big muscles. Obviously something worked.[/quote]

that being said it is not necessarily and indicator of good health (not saying that you aren’t) and it worked for you, but for the majority of people out there it most likely will not work (your an exception, between being active and genetically gifted say). My argument was that you will never be at optimal health eating those kind of foods. You can be relatively healthy and eat it in moderation but how many people do you know that have the self discipline to actually do that?
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This is a bodybuilding/weightlifting forum. If they don’t have the discipline, they don’t belong here.

By the way, repeating bullshit doesn’t make it true. I will wait for you to tell me what exactly about a hamburger with all of the grease drained out with no mayo is going to lead to poor health.

You are using words like “optimal health” as if your health is more than the lack of a disease process.

Also, besides reading articles, what is your educational background?[/quote]

Even the food items fatty beef and mayonnaise are NOT bad for you in and of themselves.

About half of beef fat is monunsaturated and it contains stearic acid, which is actually beneficial. So even if someone doesn’t drain all the fat out, it’s not that bad; having it not fit into the diet because of macronutrient allotments and percentages and total calories is a different story.

Contrary to popular belief, mayonnaise isn’t so damn bad just because it contains a bit of soy oil. What health and physique conscious person eats so much damn mayonnaise and/or salad dressing anyway? Same goes for soy; other than a few vegetarians who rely heavily on soy as a protein source, who the heck is eating pounds of tofu? Anyway, I still want to see concrete evidence that sparing amounts of mayo, salad dressing, and tofu are gonna turn men into women.

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[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

You will find that the board will get much quieter now that this has been stated.

I used to write that when I went to Burger King that I ate the burgers with no mayonnaise and asked the cooks to press the grease out into paper towels. I was told that I was telling everyone to get fat and die.

When I was eating there, if the cooks didn’t do it, I would ask them to give me the meat in a separate container and press the grease out myself. I fail to see what is so unhealthy about their sandwich after all of this and no one else can tell me either without making up shit about what I’m writing.

The bottom line is, I got big muscles. Obviously something worked.[/quote]

that being said it is not necessarily and indicator of good health (not saying that you aren’t) and it worked for you, but for the majority of people out there it most likely will not work (your an exception, between being active and genetically gifted say). My argument was that you will never be at optimal health eating those kind of foods. You can be relatively healthy and eat it in moderation but how many people do you know that have the self discipline to actually do that?
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Your post is not bad and you have some fair points; I get what you’re saying.

However, I do think that this whole belief of so many people being so undisciplined with their diets is a bit overrated in the context of this forum. It’s what Chris Shugart says too when he asks questions like, “Who can stop at one?” Well, people who are health and weight conscious and who eat throughout entire days are pretty good at stopping after their fill of some treat. It’s usually diet-crazy freaks who consistently deprive themselves both trhough restriction of calories and food items that go buck wild when offered some treats/junk.

I could be biased because of my professional colleagues and who I hang with; most of my co-workers, family, and friends don’t pig out and do physical activity regularly with only one of them being “hardcore”.

However, I’m with you on the eating clean as possible thing; at this point I can’t really tolerate much pizza, Chinese food, fried food, or fast food. Just can’t handle it, and my body rejects it. But I believe this is because of eating very clean consistently for the past year or so. When I ate high calorie and those foods regularly, I built up a tolerance to them and felt fine eating them, similar to how Dave Tate couldn’t tolerate clean foods when he switched over from eating like shit for over a decade. (His old eating habits did help him achieve a goal though.)

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If I recall correctly, X only eats burgers from fast food joints, which although being relatively high in calories, aren’t “bad”. The food items in a Whopper aren’t bad either; it’s just that when added together in one food item, they pack A LOT of calories for someone who doesn’t need all that much in one sitting. After all, what’s wrong with the items in a Whopper–bread, mayonnaise, tomato, lettuce, ketchup, beef, onion, and cheese? There’s not much bad to say about those ingredients other than white bread and mayo not being first rate carb and fat sources; however they’re not “bad”.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

The bottom line is, I got big muscles. Obviously something worked.[/quote]

Best line ever.

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[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

This is a bodybuilding/weightlifting forum. If they don’t have the discipline, they don’t belong here.

By the way, repeating bullshit doesn’t make it true. I will wait for you to tell me what exactly about a hamburger with all of the grease drained out with no mayo is going to lead to poor health.

You are using words like “optimal health” as if your health is more than the lack of a disease process.

Also, besides reading articles, what is your educational background?[/quote]

I have no formal education, I do not confess to being an expert. Whenever I come across a topic I research it as much as I can (via the guy I train with who has formal education in multiple health and fitness related fields, books from the local university curriculum and many friends that I have studying in various related fields).

You are acting like I am trying to punch you in the face or something, I am just discussing the topic.

I agree that if they don’t have discipline then this isn’t the place for them.

Out of a logical point of view you can’t tell me that someone eating wholesome organic food is no better than someone eating fast food?
From personal experience after quitting grains and dairy and restricting my diet to foods where I can confirm origins I feel about 50 times better than I ever felt while consuming the afore mentioned foods. Also from personal experience when I used to still eat fast food every so often I could feel a drop in my performance after a burger/pizza/other. Having seen other people go through a similair experience the conclusion I cam to is that it affects some people more than others but everyone to a degree. The extent of the effects will determine how much you can tolerate, in my case virtually nothing. Seem logical enough?

Also I do believe that health is more than lack of disease. There are many people that are disease free but yet do not have a good quality of life due to less that “optimal” (yeh I used it again) health.

Seriously man I am not trying to challenge your morals and values I am just laying down my argument

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Organic Food is complete bullshit.

“Organic” is great for farmers who want to:

  1. Spend less money on drugs for livestock

  2. Spend less money on pesticides for Veg.

  3. Upcharge the sale of items because of the lack of “Evil Chemicals”

So let me get this straight. We don’t feel like buying drugs, we don’t feel like buying chemicals, and we can sell this shit for more money to hipsters who think it’s “better” for them? And we can’t prove it?

That’s a solid business plan my friend.

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[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

This is a bodybuilding/weightlifting forum. If they don’t have the discipline, they don’t belong here.

By the way, repeating bullshit doesn’t make it true. I will wait for you to tell me what exactly about a hamburger with all of the grease drained out with no mayo is going to lead to poor health.

You are using words like “optimal health” as if your health is more than the lack of a disease process.

Also, besides reading articles, what is your educational background?[/quote]

I have no formal education, I do not confess to being an expert. Whenever I come across a topic I research it as much as I can (via the guy I train with who has formal education in multiple health and fitness related fields, books from the local university curriculum and many friends that I have studying in various related fields).

You are acting like I am trying to punch you in the face or something, I am just discussing the topic.

I agree that if they don’t have discipline then this isn’t the place for them.

Out of a logical point of view you can’t tell me that someone eating wholesome organic food is no better than someone eating fast food?
From personal experience after quitting grains and dairy and restricting my diet to foods where I can confirm origins I feel about 50 times better than I ever felt while consuming the afore mentioned foods. Also from personal experience when I used to still eat fast food every so often I could feel a drop in my performance after a burger/pizza/other. Having seen other people go through a similair experience the conclusion I cam to is that it affects some people more than others but everyone to a degree. The extent of the effects will determine how much you can tolerate, in my case virtually nothing. Seem logical enough?

Also I do believe that health is more than lack of disease. There are many people that are disease free but yet do not have a good quality of life due to less that “optimal” (yeh I used it again) health.

Seriously man I am not trying to challenge your morals and values I am just laying down my argument

[/quote]

Organic Food is complete bullshit.

“Organic” is great for farmers who want to:

  1. Spend less money on drugs for livestock

  2. Spend less money on pesticides for Veg.

  3. Upcharge the sale of items because of the lack of “Evil Chemicals”

So let me get this straight. We don’t feel like buying drugs, we don’t feel like buying chemicals, and we can sell this shit for more money to hipsters who think it’s “better” for them? And we can’t prove it?

That’s a solid business plan my friend.
[/quote]

take that!

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[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

Organic Food is complete bullshit.

“Organic” is great for farmers who want to:

  1. Spend less money on drugs for livestock

  2. Spend less money on pesticides for Veg.

  3. Upcharge the sale of items because of the lack of “Evil Chemicals”

So let me get this straight. We don’t feel like buying drugs, we don’t feel like buying chemicals, and we can sell this shit for more money to hipsters who think it’s “better” for them? And we can’t prove it?

That’s a solid business plan my friend.
[/quote]

obviously you do not have FUCKING clue what running a farm constitutes.
look into it before you spout crap.
So in other words you want drugs and pesticides?
Whether it’s better for us or not aside, it is way more sustainable.
The cheap profit driven mindset is one of the reason why the economy is screwed right now.

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[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

Organic Food is complete bullshit.

“Organic” is great for farmers who want to:

  1. Spend less money on drugs for livestock

  2. Spend less money on pesticides for Veg.

  3. Upcharge the sale of items because of the lack of “Evil Chemicals”

So let me get this straight. We don’t feel like buying drugs, we don’t feel like buying chemicals, and we can sell this shit for more money to hipsters who think it’s “better” for them? And we can’t prove it?

That’s a solid business plan my friend.
[/quote]

obviously you do not have FUCKING clue what running a farm constitutes.
look into it before you spout crap.
So in other words you want drugs and pesticides?
Whether it’s better for us or not aside, it is way more sustainable.
The cheap profit driven mindset is one of the reason why the economy is screwed right now.
[/quote]

Yes I want pesticides, and I want drugs in my animals.

And no, high taxes is why our economy is in the shitter.

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[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

Organic Food is complete bullshit.

“Organic” is great for farmers who want to:

  1. Spend less money on drugs for livestock

  2. Spend less money on pesticides for Veg.

  3. Upcharge the sale of items because of the lack of “Evil Chemicals”

So let me get this straight. We don’t feel like buying drugs, we don’t feel like buying chemicals, and we can sell this shit for more money to hipsters who think it’s “better” for them? And we can’t prove it?

That’s a solid business plan my friend.
[/quote]

obviously you do not have FUCKING clue what running a farm constitutes.
look into it before you spout crap.
So in other words you want drugs and pesticides?
Whether it’s better for us or not aside, it is way more sustainable.
The cheap profit driven mindset is one of the reason why the economy is screwed right now.
[/quote]

Yes I want pesticides, and I want drugs in my animals.

And no, high taxes is why our economy is in the shitter.
[/quote]

ah high taxes? and here the experts were thinking it was all the overspending…
just have a glass of pesticide with your meal then.

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Great discussion on fast food. My only beef (pun intended) with fast food in general is the seasoning on the food. McDonalds does use 100% pure USDA beef with no fillers blah blah blah. However, they do season the meat with salt and partially hydrogenated vegetable oil. There is my problem, while I do enjoy a solid greasy double cheeseburger from Mickey-D’s, if I eat the same amount as I would as my homemade burgers I am thirsty all day long, sometimes get a headache, and feel off. Now, let me grill up some burgers with 93% lean beef and just season them with some pepper and sea salt, I love it, feel great, and it is just a good-- if not better in my opinion.

This goes for Papa Johns, Dominos, or any other pizza joint. It friggin sucks with the amount of salt they put into their ingredients. I am dying of thirst after I eat. Let me make a pizza at home and I eat the whole thing and feel like a million bucks. The discussion can on and on, they may use quality ingredients, but it is how they season their food that makes the difference for me. Don’t get me wrong, I will pound down Bojangles, McDonald’s, or whatever-- but I prefer homemade food by a long shot if not some much the “health” factor, but just how I feel when I am done eating.

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
1 Cup Soy
5 Cloves Garlic
A few mixed veggies chopped (onion, carrots, celery)
Some orange marmalaid
Some fresh ginger
3 pounds diced chicken breasts.

Blend all that up, cook chicken, add marinade, cover, cook for 20 more minutes and throw over some brown rice…Yummmm…It’s 1 am, that’s my last meal and probably half my food for tomorrow.[/quote]

You can eat 3 pounds of chicken breast all in one meal? That’s impressive. How are you able to meet your daily caloric requirements eating so clean though? I’d imagine a guy like you would probably need in excess of 4000 calories a day to keep seeing progress.

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[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

The bottom line is, I got big muscles. Obviously something worked.[/quote]

Best line ever.[/quote]

x2

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[quote]kardon wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
1 Cup Soy
5 Cloves Garlic
A few mixed veggies chopped (onion, carrots, celery)
Some orange marmalaid
Some fresh ginger
3 pounds diced chicken breasts.

Blend all that up, cook chicken, add marinade, cover, cook for 20 more minutes and throw over some brown rice…Yummmm…It’s 1 am, that’s my last meal and probably half my food for tomorrow.[/quote]
You can eat 3 pounds of chicken breast all in one meal? That’s impressive. How are you able to meet your daily caloric requirements eating so clean though? I’d imagine a guy like you would probably need in excess of 4000 calories a day to keep seeing progress.[/quote]

No I don’t eat 3 pounds in a meal…I can gain weight fairly easily though…

Here are the foods I stay away from, anything processed, snacks, desserts, and that shit…

I don’t consider burgers or steaks to be dirty like others, I don’t consider egg sandwhichs and penne ala vodka to be dirty either…

Home cooked food is a staple. I get enough calories in, idk (I am slighltly buzzed at the moment), but I don’t count cals or even macro nutrients. I eat when hungry and when hungry I eat good foods, a good protein source and carb source. I am doing pretty well at the moment too. I will say I have lost fat and gained muscle but don’t want to get into it because obviously that’s impossible…Lost 30 pounds and look the best and am the strongest I have been…trying to just clean up my diet even more, get to a good level of leaness and then the quest for 300 pounds is on.