Look up ‘westside for fat bastards’
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Shadowbob, are you still doing stuff like Madcow for your training?[/quote]
I’m past that. I can no longer progress on intermediate programs. I run advanced training programs now and I’m getting stronger.
UPDATE: I have lost a few notches on my belt since I posted this thread. I have surprisingly gained strength on all my lifts so far and have not gotten any weaker. Working a sales job where u have to be on your feet a lot really helps lol.
(no but srsly I’ve also been good with my diet)
[quote]RampantBadger wrote:
Look up ‘westside for fat bastards’[/quote]
Thanks man!
What the heck is an advanced program?
I can rephrase my question so it’s easier. Are you still utilizing abbreviated low volume training primarily? If not, how are you training?
I’ve found that mixing two goals at once means two half ass results. You want to get stronger while getting leaner, so does everyone in the world, yet only a handful can achieve the results. Flip is one of these fuckers us fat bastards hate(jk)
I’d pick one and focus on that. If you want those lifts, then don’t worry about cutting, eat at a caloric maintenance level until you aren’t getting any stronger, then add food. If you wanna cut, well, pick one of 9000 internet geniuses to guide you how to cut, but don’t pick a guy that calls your pic a fatty, that’s obsurd. You are not lean, but for fuck sake, you sure as hell are not obese.
Alternatively, you could add 10 min of walking up and down stairs a day if you have a house or live in an apt. That won’t affect your recovery (should help actually), while burning a couple hundred calories.
If powerlifting proves anything isn’t is you do not need to be lean to b strong. In fact, the bigger you get the stronger the records are. Malachebkv or however you spell his name most defiantly does not have a 6 pack, and he just totaled 2500. Lilliebridge put on 30 lbs, look at his new belly, and also look at his new totals.
It does seem the smaller weight classes are much leaner though, it’s rare to see a 200 lb far guy squatting 700.
OP, as others have already mentioned: clean up your diet.
You may also want to cycle in a more hypertrophy-intensive phase. This will give you a break from lifting heavy, possibly fill-in strength gaps that can only help you down the road, and the extra lbm will help visually and metabolically.
You can therefore lose some chub almost without trying. By stating that you’re “cutting” you just might set certain mental anchors that won’t make life easier. By stating that you’re going to eat more intelligently and put on more muscle using a bodybuilding approach, you’ve set goals you can move towards.
As for the rest of this post, skip it as it does not pertain to you.
To mutant: here is your response on 12/15 to my first post in this thread on 12/11 (both on page 1)
Ah yes, let’s invoke Meadows in any bodybuilding debate. That’ll show the infidels!
LOL
Yes, I am literally laughing out loud.
C’mon, now. Meadows is a lifter and coach who occupies the upper echelon among the authors here. However, there are other bb coaches who are just as successful or more than he is and I’m certain they don’t agree with everything he states.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]mutantcolors wrote:
Solid points, but I’m talking specifically about this issue and thinking of REAL professionals, like that one guy that used to dominate this place. What was his name?
Oh yeah. John Meadows. There are others as well. Those kinds of “better at this than me” people.
Here - https://www.T-Nation.com/diet-fat-loss/bulking-diet-delusion
[/quote]
The idea that a natural guy who wants to get as big as he can be should NEVER go above 10% or 12% or whatever bodyfat level is ridiculous, I don’t give a fuck WHO says otherwise. Seems like a great idea for guys who sell training programs though… convince the noobs that they are doing it wrong if they ever lose sight of their abs - so that they never gain any fucking muscle - so they hire trainers. lol
[/quote]
If I had followed this 10-12% rule, I’d be just another guy spinning his wheels. My personal number for consistent, modest gains - AS A NATTY - is closer to 14. You think this makes me happy…? Talk to my GF; she misses those abs more than I do!
So you have Flip and myself, two people from different backgrounds, with different training approaches, both with more than respectable physiques, if I do say so myself. And we, along with a few others who walk the talk, are willing to meet here to exchange information, sometimes agree, sometimes disagree, so we can be better than we were last month.
Sure, there are a few DYEL posers pretending to be something they’re not - and they know who they are by the way I address them. But they’re often amusing and likeable blokes.
Those in the first group, for whatever reason, don’t give a rat’s ass whether or not they publish some article in a website.
Those in the second group obviously have zero qualifications to publish anything other than how to regurgitate information they’ve read elsewhere. Yet, even they, in an unintended manner, add to the overall fabric.
This is the spirit of the forum.
[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
Where did the original posts go lol
You sure MinotaurXXX was the one who linked the article?[/quote]
No I certainly did NOT reference the article: https://www.T-Nation.com/diet-fat-loss/bulking-diet-delusion
I think mutant accidentally added or subtracted a ‘quote’ ‘\quote’ in his 12/15 post and fucked things up so the quoted texts were NOT showing in gray boxes.
This, in turn, caused a few people to attribute, around 12/15, what he said to me. An html error snowballed and it looked like I wrote something I didn’t. No worries, though, as I know it was an honest mistake.
I did my best to clean up the mess in my two responses today.
To set the record straight, read mutant’s post dated 12/15 on page 1. It was HE who wrote things that are being attributed to me.
Here is his exact response on 12/15 to my post on 12/11:
[quote]mutantcolors wrote:
Solid points, but I’m talking specifically about this issue and thinking of REAL professionals, like that one guy that used to dominate this place. What was his name?
Oh yeah. John Meadows. There are others as well. Those kinds of “better at this than me” people.
Here - https://www.T-Nation.com/diet-fat-loss/bulking-diet-delusion
[/quote]
If anyone wants to disagree or even flame me for something I say here or elsewhere, have at it - but do me the courtesy of attacking what I actually wrote.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
What the heck is an advanced program?
I can rephrase my question so it’s easier. Are you still utilizing abbreviated low volume training primarily? If not, how are you training?[/quote]
Read the book “Practical Programming for Strength Training” by Mark Rippetoe.
An advanced program is one that typically requires more complex periodization and percentages and is for lifters who can no longer progress week by week on linear periodization.
A beginner is someone who can progress workout to workout, an intermediate progresses week to week, and an advanced trainee progresses month to month, if that.
[quote]dzirkelb wrote:
I’ve found that mixing two goals at once means two half ass results. You want to get stronger while getting leaner, so does everyone in the world, yet only a handful can achieve the results. Flip is one of these fuckers us fat bastards hate(jk)
I’d pick one and focus on that. If you want those lifts, then don’t worry about cutting, eat at a caloric maintenance level until you aren’t getting any stronger, then add food. If you wanna cut, well, pick one of 9000 internet geniuses to guide you how to cut, but don’t pick a guy that calls your pic a fatty, that’s obsurd. You are not lean, but for fuck sake, you sure as hell are not obese.
Alternatively, you could add 10 min of walking up and down stairs a day if you have a house or live in an apt. That won’t affect your recovery (should help actually), while burning a couple hundred calories.
If powerlifting proves anything isn’t is you do not need to be lean to b strong. In fact, the bigger you get the stronger the records are. Malachebkv or however you spell his name most defiantly does not have a 6 pack, and he just totaled 2500. Lilliebridge put on 30 lbs, look at his new belly, and also look at his new totals.
It does seem the smaller weight classes are much leaner though, it’s rare to see a 200 lb far guy squatting 700.[/quote]
I just got a sales job so I’m pretty active on my feet lol
And yeah, I’d loooove to permabulk like those ectomorph f**kers who always keep their abs no matter how much or what they eat. Unfortunately, I’m part endomorph and can get fat AF. (I was 25% bodyfat before I started lifting)
[quote]shadowbobo8028 wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
What the heck is an advanced program?
I can rephrase my question so it’s easier. Are you still utilizing abbreviated low volume training primarily? If not, how are you training?[/quote]
Read the book “Practical Programming for Strength Training” by Mark Rippetoe.
An advanced program is one that typically requires more complex periodization and percentages and is for lifters who can no longer progress week by week on linear periodization.
A beginner is someone who can progress workout to workout, an intermediate progresses week to week, and an advanced trainee progresses month to month, if that.[/quote]
Yeah, I’ve read the book. Rippetoe says some goofy things sometimes.
You seem uninterested in answering my question regarding your training, so really all I can say is good luck. It sounds like you’ve got it all figured out.
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
OP, as others have already mentioned: clean up your diet.
You may also want to cycle in a more hypertrophy-intensive phase. This will give you a break from lifting heavy, possibly fill-in strength gaps that can only help you down the road, and the extra lbm will help visually and metabolically.
You can therefore lose some chub almost without trying. By stating that you’re “cutting” you just might set certain mental anchors that won’t make life easier. By stating that you’re going to eat more intelligently and put on more muscle using a bodybuilding approach, you’ve set goals you can move towards.
[/quote]
Yes I am doing more bodybuiding type training now. Not entirely eliminating low reps, but following more of a powerbuilding type training regimen.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]shadowbobo8028 wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
What the heck is an advanced program?
I can rephrase my question so it’s easier. Are you still utilizing abbreviated low volume training primarily? If not, how are you training?[/quote]
Read the book “Practical Programming for Strength Training” by Mark Rippetoe.
An advanced program is one that typically requires more complex periodization and percentages and is for lifters who can no longer progress week by week on linear periodization.
A beginner is someone who can progress workout to workout, an intermediate progresses week to week, and an advanced trainee progresses month to month, if that.[/quote]
Yeah, I’ve read the book. Rippetoe says some goofy things sometimes.
You seem uninterested in answering my question regarding your training, so really all I can say is good luck. It sounds like you’ve got it all figured out.
[/quote]
Sorry I only saw the 1st part of your question and completely skipped over the 2nd part. To answer that question: I’m doing powerbuilding type training now. A lot more volume and lower frequency. In other words i’m back on the “brosplit”.
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
Where did the original posts go lol
You sure MinotaurXXX was the one who linked the article?[/quote]
No I certainly did NOT reference the article: https://www.T-Nation.com/diet-fat-loss/bulking-diet-delusion
I think mutant accidentally added or subtracted a ‘quote’ ‘\quote’ in his 12/15 post and fucked things up so the quoted texts were NOT showing in gray boxes.
This, in turn, caused a few people to attribute, around 12/15, what he said to me. An html error snowballed and it looked like I wrote something I didn’t. No worries, though, as I know it was an honest mistake.
I did my best to clean up the mess in my two responses today.
To set the record straight, read mutant’s post dated 12/15 on page 1. It was HE who wrote things that are being attributed to me.
Here is his exact response on 12/15 to my post on 12/11:
[quote]mutantcolors wrote:
Solid points, but I’m talking specifically about this issue and thinking of REAL professionals, like that one guy that used to dominate this place. What was his name?
Oh yeah. John Meadows. There are others as well. Those kinds of “better at this than me” people.
Here - https://www.T-Nation.com/diet-fat-loss/bulking-diet-delusion
[/quote]
If anyone wants to disagree or even flame me for something I say here or elsewhere, have at it - but do me the courtesy of attacking what I actually wrote.
[/quote]
I wrote that post actually. Relax, no flaming. I found it weird that you would follow up your post on the previous page with a link to that article.