Hi guys trying to piece together my next cycle and looking for feedback. Instead of starting the cycle full blast I want to try pyramiding up. I don’t see why I need to start with 2 grams of gear when i’m sure slow adjustments will yield similar results. This will be cycle number 8, currently cruising on 260mg test a week. Im 6ft 2 225lb at the moment and about 9% body fat. Lifts deadlift 405x12 squat 405x12. Press 120s for reps.
Open to suggestions here.
Week 1-2 Test 400 NPP 200 Primo 200
Week 3-4 Test 500 NPP 250 Primo 300
Week 5-6 Test 600 NPP 300 Primo 300
7-14 Test 750 NPP 400-450 Primo 300
Anadrol at 50mg last 4-6 weeks
Bloods will be taken before during and after. Will add arimidex as needed. Will adjust according to bloods but probably 1/2 mg every 3rd day as cycle progress.
I don’t hate pyramiding up. I’ve done it, but only did one dose bump. That’s what I’d do here too. I don’t think it makes sense to do two weeks then only bump up a small amount. I’d run your 3-4 weeks doses for 6 weeks, then the 7-14 doses as you have planned.
Do you only know your 12 rep maxes on squat and deadlift?
I’d probably split the oral between the beginning and end. Break up the abuse to the liver a bit, plus it’s fun having fast strength when starting a cycle. 3 weeks to start and 3 to end. Just what I’d do, but I don’t do anadrol because it destroys my stomach to the point where Prilosec every day and tums as needed don’t work.
Ok I like the idea of only bumping up 1 time. I don’t know about running orals in the beginning. Just seems like alot of mg at once and don’t want messed up lipids rest of cycle. And yeah i don’t go over 405 on squat or dead’s. Sure I could do a decent amount for 1 rep but I’m no power lifter and don’t want injury’s. I like using 405 for easy reps
Personally if using orals, I do like to run Tudca. There seems to be research showing it improves liver blood markers. Wither or not it actually improves liver health or not, I don’t know. I does improve the markers though.
I think you are limiting long term progress with this approach. You don’t ever need to do 1 RMs, but doing some work with lower reps and higher weights will help progression long term. You could do sets of 12 and progress weight until you can’t get 12s anymore, then do sets of 8 and progress weights until you can’t, then sets of 5s. After you stall out on 5s, go back to 12s, but start with 10-20 lbs more.
You don’t have to do this progressions like this all year, but I think you would get some progress on physique if you got to doing sets of 12 with 495 instead of 405. It might take you a few years to do so, but I think your physique would be thicker if you achieved these lifts.
You don’t need to be doing all out sets either. A set of 5 at 475 on deadlifts might be easy for you. I don’t think there is much risk over what you’re currently doing, but long term building your strength will pay dividends.
I am not saying your weak or anything. Far from it. Especially on squats you are strong if you’re hitting powerlifting depth on those sets of 12. I just think guys that don’t go above a certain weight limit themselves. Think about if a guy did that on bench, which I do see. I see guys play around with 185, or 225 for years doing higher reps. They don’t look the same as the guys who get up to 365, or 405 on bench.
Ok good points. I could see how that would build a thicker physique going heavier. Plus I’d be curious what i could get for sets of 5. Will also definitely be using tudca.
Very impressive stats. Thats a lot of weight at only 9% even for 6’2". I bet you look stellar. I wouldn’t pyramid but thats just me. Things like HGH should be stepped up gradually but with AAS its just unnecessary.
Reason for pyramiding up is I don’t see why I would need nearly 2 grams of gear to start with. And I may be wrong but feel it would be healthier to build up to that much rather than just bam all at once.
Well you either need 2 grams to grow or you dont. If you dont then spending a month on a gram wont build you up to needing 2 grams all of a sudden. If you need 2 grams then pyramiding just makes you not have any gains until you reach the goal dosage. Unless its a 24 month cycle, i dont see how one can go from getting gains off a gram to the level where he needs two grams in 5-7 weeks.
Just my 2 cents worth from my experience, I felt that I began getting diminishing results about 8 weeks into a cycle. I approached this in one of two different ways:
I ended the cycle at 8 weeks
I increased AAS about 20 to 30% at week 7 and ran that through week 12.
It was my thought that my binding sites were becoming desensitized and I either get off altogether or increase the dosage to get an extra 4 weeks on cycle.
Each year I picked a contest that I wanted to peak. That would be my 12 week cycle. The remainder of the year was 8 week cycles.
I always tried to make my use of AAS as safely as I knew how.
You might think about starting with the lower doses as you have shown but wait later to get more aggressive with the dosage. If you don’t mind how many cycles have you done?
Was looking for updated pictures as the ones above are 2 years old. Unfortunately i don’t have any other than show pictures where I was dieted down to 205lb stage weight. Would say i have definitely put on some thickness since.