Brotherhood of Iron 2.0

sorry bugs, I sounded like a bit of an asshole in my post there

todays workout: chest

incline db press
80x20
120x5
130x5
140x5
140x5

decline db press
140x5
140x5
150x5
150x5
140x5

flat bb benchpress
135x5
155x5
155x5
135x5

im thinking I should add in db flys to the workout.

I had pretty low energy in the gym today, I think its attributed to a long day in the freezing rain outside at work and medication for my ear.

I’ve decided to quit training arms for now, I think my triceps/shoulders are over powering my chest and dont need direct work, I also have good biceps:).

Today was also the first time I’ve decided to focus on not benching with the traditional style and doing it like a powerlifter, so the weights im using have dropped quite dramatically… oh well, hopefully they go up, and my chest gets bigger:P

What part of BC are you from bradden?

bradden, I don’t think I understand. I never said anything about you doing a 50-rep set… I was simply commenting that it’s crazy. :slight_smile:

And are those 140lbs DB’s or are you doing 70’s? Because the DB and BB numbers don’t quite make sense.

And i don’t see how you were being an asshole? But your post still doesn’t really make sense to me haha. But no worries I’m not easily offended.

finished exams back in the gym pretty shit session as I think im halfway between healthy and having a chest infection

squats
90kgx5
110kgx5
130kgx5
140kgx3
145kgx1x3

  • my joints were pretty achey going too start taking fish oil again tommorow.

chins
bw x 12,8,8,5,5,6,6

cable lateral raises
know idea was three plates x8x4

barbel hack squats

60kgx8x3

  • not sure i was doing these right, almost doing them as a deadlift from behind my legs, is that right?

close grip curls

unsure of the weight x 12x4

  • just a dick around session, going too go hard friday

[quote]Vegg wrote:
What part of BC are you from bradden?[/quote]

Im from Nelson, small town in the kootenay region… how bout you?

[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
bradden, I don’t think I understand. I never said anything about you doing a 50-rep set… I was simply commenting that it’s crazy. :slight_smile:

And are those 140lbs DB’s or are you doing 70’s? Because the DB and BB numbers don’t quite make sense.

And i don’t see how you were being an asshole? But your post still doesn’t really make sense to me haha. But no worries I’m not easily offended.[/quote]

Oh, kay I see. Little confusion here I see:P

Im doing 70lbs db’s, I always write the total amount of weight, not the weight of each dumbell. So thats why I typed it as 80, 120, 140… Its really two 40pounders, two 60 pounders, two 70 pounders and so on. And then with barbell 140 is 140. Should I be posting the numbers differently? I’m pretty new to the forums.

I just felt what I said came out in a rude way instead of how I intended, but I see that it didnt so no worries:)

[quote]bradden wrote:
Vegg wrote:
What part of BC are you from bradden?

Im from Nelson, small town in the kootenay region… how bout you?[/quote]

I’m from Prince George, just a little bit north of you… :stuck_out_tongue:

[quote]josh86 wrote:
CC thanks for the input - the chest lagging isn’t a “current” problem…as in I have corrected my form and exercise selections and it has been growing, its just playing catch-up and I’m wanting to speed it up as much as possible, lol.

I actually do cut out the very top part of all my pressing exercises already, use an arch, and keep my shoulders pulled back all the time. The problem is I used to rely 90%+ on bench press for chest development and I’m a very shoulder/tri dominant bencher (and I have to bench elbows tucked due to collar bone issues from breaking it last april).

I don’t have any way of getting up vids of me pressing or anything, but I promise I’m following all the form stuff you outlined here. Its just going to take time since my chest was so far behind for so long…I really don’t even think its lagging by that much currently - check the pics I posted and let me know what you think?

EDIT: I also do feel my chest working more than anything else now, I used to never really feel it working and always felt the burn in my shoulders…but that is a thing of the past. I also do currently do a fast lifting phase, very controlled negative as low as I can go without taking tension off the muscle (like if I were to go all the way until the bumpers stopped on the machine - using the HS incline for example).

I’m thinking I’ll give Bug’s idea a try…maybe RP my HS incline and then strait set the other exercises…or maybe I wont change anything I’ve been making progress and should probably keep riding it out until it slows down/stops.[/quote]

Ok, you’ll just have to be patient here… Get the numbers up while keeping the improved form and you’ll get there.
The elbows tucked thing sucks… Healthier but also does jackshit for chest mass :wink:

I’d ditch the flat bench (If you haven’t already) and stick entirely to (low)inclines and declines and all variations of those, esp. in the smith machine… Along with chest-focused dips.
Flat Machines should be fine too, but imo most of those suck (esp. the seated variety). Guess the HS lying flat press (or whatever it’s called) would be your best bet as far as flat machines go, judging from people’s comments on it.

Oh yeah, maybe cut out all flye movements for now (don’t remember your chest routine atm) and just do 2-3 presses (like low incline variation+ flat machine variant+ chest hs dips…)

If you decide to RP, try RPing 2 exercises and leave it at that for now (no more exercises than that). Just really get those numbers up+extreme stretching. Of course that would make chest day look kinda short, but that shouldn’t really be an issue. If what you currently do is working, just stick to it and see that you add another 30-40 pounds(not too sure what you can do with your routine and at your level, but that should be possible?) to your working weight before the end of the year.

hungry - my father-in-law is an old devil dog, he’s still proud as hell about it. i would be too if i were him. if i could go back, i would seriously consider the military. my wife is former air force, she loved it, loved the travel and stuff too. good luck man.

Here’s what I ended up doing for yesterday’s Chest.

HS Incline:

6plates+10s x10,5,3 RP

HS Wide-Bench:

6plates+25s x12,7,5 RP

Cable X-over (getting a hard stretch at top and then pressing inward):

65x14
65x12
65x12
*weight per side, this machine the numbers seem way low for how heavy it feels.

Pec-deck:

190x15
190x13
190x13

50lb dumbbell stretch for 90seconds - agony, hell, whatever you want to call it.

Finished with 1 set DC calves, 10 minutes fast incline walking.

Note: So after doing the 2 RP exercises I did the cable X-overs and it was seriously the most excruciating pain I’ve ever felt in my chest at that point (a good kind of pain). I felt like I could feel the muscle fibers tearing (again, the good kind).

[quote]josh86 wrote:
Here’s what I ended up doing for yesterday’s Chest.

HS Incline:

6plates+10s x10,5,3 RP

HS Wide-Bench:

6plates+25s x12,7,5 RP

Cable X-over (getting a hard stretch at top and then pressing inward):

65x14
65x12
65x12
*weight per side, this machine the numbers seem way low for how heavy it feels.

Pec-deck:

190x15
190x13
190x13

50lb dumbbell stretch for 90seconds - agony, hell, whatever you want to call it.

Finished with 1 set DC calves, 10 minutes fast incline walking.

Note: So after doing the 2 RP exercises I did the cable X-overs and it was seriously the most excruciating pain I’ve ever felt in my chest at that point (a good kind of pain). I felt like I could feel the muscle fibers tearing (again, the good kind).[/quote]

What RP rep-ranges are you aiming for on the first two exercises?

Btw, just want to add that the leg session I did on Monday was the shortest session I’ve ever done for legs and I remember saying that it felt like it was also the best leg workout I’ve ever done. And I think I was definitely right…my quads, ass, and hams are more sore than I can ever remember - especially my hammies which I usually have trouble properly stimulating.

[quote]josh86 wrote:
Btw, just want to add that the leg session I did on Monday was the shortest session I’ve ever done for legs and I remember saying that it felt like it was also the best leg workout I’ve ever done. And I think I was definitely right…my quads, ass, and hams are more sore than I can ever remember - especially my hammies which I usually have trouble properly stimulating.[/quote]

Nice to hear that. Keep on pushing those numbers up…

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
josh86 wrote:
Here’s what I ended up doing for yesterday’s Chest.

HS Incline:

6plates+10s x10,5,3 RP

HS Wide-Bench:

6plates+25s x12,7,5 RP

Cable X-over (getting a hard stretch at top and then pressing inward):

65x14
65x12
65x12
*weight per side, this machine the numbers seem way low for how heavy it feels.

Pec-deck:

190x15
190x13
190x13

50lb dumbbell stretch for 90seconds - agony, hell, whatever you want to call it.

Finished with 1 set DC calves, 10 minutes fast incline walking.

Note: So after doing the 2 RP exercises I did the cable X-overs and it was seriously the most excruciating pain I’ve ever felt in my chest at that point (a good kind of pain). I felt like I could feel the muscle fibers tearing (again, the good kind).

What RP rep-ranges are you aiming for on the first two exercises?[/quote]

I’m thinking I want to aim for 15-20RP. What would you personally suggest? I was happy with the RP range I hit on the HS incline, but wished I had gone heavier on the HS wide-bench.

[quote]josh86 wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
josh86 wrote:
Here’s what I ended up doing for yesterday’s Chest.

HS Incline:

6plates+10s x10,5,3 RP

HS Wide-Bench:

6plates+25s x12,7,5 RP

Cable X-over (getting a hard stretch at top and then pressing inward):

65x14
65x12
65x12
*weight per side, this machine the numbers seem way low for how heavy it feels.

Pec-deck:

190x15
190x13
190x13

50lb dumbbell stretch for 90seconds - agony, hell, whatever you want to call it.

Finished with 1 set DC calves, 10 minutes fast incline walking.

Note: So after doing the 2 RP exercises I did the cable X-overs and it was seriously the most excruciating pain I’ve ever felt in my chest at that point (a good kind of pain). I felt like I could feel the muscle fibers tearing (again, the good kind).

What RP rep-ranges are you aiming for on the first two exercises?

I’m thinking I want to aim for 15-20RP. What would you personally suggest? I was happy with the RP range I hit on the HS incline, but wished I had gone heavier on the HS wide-bench. [/quote]

That’s pretty much what I was going to say. You can up the weight on both exercises next time, the hs-wide gets more poundages added to than the incline.

Ok cool, thanks again for all your advice CC.

If I could ask one last favor - mind looking at the 4 new pics in my profile and letting me know if you see anything in particular that is lagging? I say check the profile not this thread because I included my lat-spread in my profile as well as the front double bi, side tricep, side bicep.

[quote]josh86 wrote:
Ok cool, thanks again for all your advice CC.

If I could ask one last favor - mind looking at the 4 new pics in my profile and letting me know if you see anything in particular that is lagging? I say check the profile not this thread because I included my lat-spread in my profile as well as the front double bi, side tricep, side bicep.[/quote]

Will do.


Leg day, with a bit of arm work at the end

I’ve attached the side tricep for CC to look at the end of my post.

Hack Squat -

2 plates x 15
4 plates x 15
6 plates x 12
8 plates x 13 (wrote a note that Josh had 11, had to beat it)
8 plates + 2 25’s x 6 (not a whole lot left in the tank here)

Stiff Leg Dead lift in smith machine

225 x 12
275 x 10
315 x 9
365 x 6

HammerStrength Leg Press

6 plates x 20
8 plates x 20
12 plates x 11

HammerStrength hamstring curls

90 lbs x 14
115 lbs x 12
140 lbs x 9

Incline DB curls
35’s x 12
40’s x 12
45’s x 10
50’s x 8

1 arm H.S preacher curl
45 lbs x 10/12
45 lbs x 12/9

weighted biceps stretch, 45 seconds with 90 lbs

I’ve never used the hack for my first exercise, and seeing as squatting lately has only made my ass grow, i figured i’d show a little love to the hack squat machine.

P.S This side triceps shot saddens me great, dammit do i have bad insertions.

–JB

Damn JB what a punk…whatever, next week is 10 plates!

Know what’s funny, I remember about 2 (or so) months ago when I first started using the hack my quads were so lagging that I was only repping with 4 plates…now next week I’m going to be hitting 10!

[quote]WS4JB wrote:
Leg day, with a bit of arm work at the end

I’ve attached the side tricep for CC to look at the end of my post.

Hack Squat -

2 plates x 15
4 plates x 15
6 plates x 12
8 plates x 13 (wrote a note that Josh had 11, had to beat it)
8 plates + 2 25’s x 6 (not a whole lot left in the tank here)

Stiff Leg Dead lift in smith machine

225 x 12
275 x 10
315 x 9
365 x 6

HammerStrength Leg Press

6 plates x 20
8 plates x 20
12 plates x 11

HammerStrength hamstring curls

90 lbs x 14
115 lbs x 12
140 lbs x 9

Incline DB curls
35’s x 12
40’s x 12
45’s x 10
50’s x 8

1 arm H.S preacher curl
45 lbs x 10/12
45 lbs x 12/9

weighted biceps stretch, 45 seconds with 90 lbs

I’ve never used the hack for my first exercise, and seeing as squatting lately has only made my ass grow, i figured i’d show a little love to the hack squat machine.

P.S This side triceps shot saddens me great, dammit do i have bad insertions.

–JB[/quote]

Before I comment on that, can you take a pic where the arm is extended and seen from behind (as in rear view of the arm).

#Edit: And of course with flexed tris ;D