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Let me tell you all a little story that had forever changed the way I viewed brooks kubik and why he will never get a penny of my money and why, the guys that write here will get my money when they have a product I need. If I was on fire, I wouldn’t buy water from Brooks Kubik.

First, let me start by saying I believe Brooks to be a student of the iron game, a bright guy who knows some shit. I believe you can learn from guys like that. That aside, let me tell you my story.

Years ago, there was an E-mail based strength list off the old deepsquatter.com web site. I was relatively new to powerlifting at the time and enjoying some moderate success having transitioned from a 190lb point guard basketball player to 275lb powerlifter. At the time, I was immersing myself in the WSB system and reading everything I could from Louie Simmons. Deepsquatter would thankfully publish loads of that material and I killed many a tree printing it all out. Anyway, WSB aside, I did have the wisdom at the time to appreciate what odd objects and “forgotten” type lifts had to offer. I was, in essence, interested in much of the “dinosaur” concepts. They would often come up for discussion and Brooks was a participant on this list. Anyway, one day they are discussing dumbell swings. Heaven forbid and stop the fucking presses - I wanted to know how to perform the dumbell swing. LMFAO. Wrong question to Brooks cause it would have required a free answer. Brooks answer? Subscribe to Dino training, newsletter, etc. Fucking huckster sell out you’re absofuckinglootly right. Funny thing is, had the guy been more like Louie Simmons and the guys that write here (you know who you are…those that write and give freely of their time…not write “teaser” articles so you can sell something)- you know, actually offer a fucking simple answer, I’d have fucking brought the fucking book / newletter anyway.

Unlike some of us, that would patronize that “guru” - after that episode, I wouldn’t buy a book from him if the book had proven plans to turn dirt to gold.

Take home message? In my honest opinion, some people have just not contributed enough to deserve to make a living from us. Louie Simmons, et al., those that have written article after article and literally given of their time and wisdom for free, will get my money every time. Brooks Kubik gets dick from me.

Now lest you think I’m misguided; I know Louie, et al, have something to sell…and I’m not against anyone making a living. No one here should be a philanthropist. We’re not communist for christ sakes! But these men I’m talking about give, give and give, and then maybe ask to receive if you’re interested in what they got.

Brooks, even in the beginning, was all about pay me. And me, all I can say, from that one very early episode, is to fuck him. And I encourage you to do the same to him and his ilk.

And lest you think I’m some internet anonymous coward criticizing behind the cloak of the internet…I sign off under my real name…b/c that’s how strongly I feel about guys like this trying to get your money.

Steve Dana
Gibbstown NJ

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Ho-ly shit.

You mean Brooks had the nerve . . . the audacity . . . TO REQUIRE MONEY IN EXCHANGE FOR A SERVICE?!?!?!?!

Speaking of which, the fucking bastards at the auto shop the other day actually charged me for repairing my breaks. Sure, they charged for parts . . . but they also charged for labor. Why can’t they just fix everyone’s car for free and then maybe ask for donations? Bastards. They won’t ever get a fucking penny from me.

And how about this doctor I went to the other day. He actually charged me for a consultation. This guy went to med school to learn how to treat disease and he actually expects me to pay for his unique knowledge?!

I’m not laying the sarcasm on too thick am I?

btw, I bought the new course and I’m looking forward to expanding my knowledge of physical culture and improving my body. I hope Brooks enjoys the money I gave him for his service. :wink:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Heaven forbid and stop the fucking presses - I wanted to know how to perform the dumbell swing. LMFAO. Wrong question to Brooks cause it would have required a free answer. Brooks answer? Subscribe to Dino training, newsletter, etc. Fucking huckster sell out you’re absofuckinglootly right. Funny thing is, had the guy been more like Louie Simmons and the guys that write here (you know who you are…those that write and give freely of their time…not write “teaser” articles so you can sell something)- you know, actually offer a fucking simple answer, I’d have fucking brought the fucking book / newletter anyway.

Unlike some of us, that would patronize that “guru” - after that episode, I wouldn’t buy a book from him if the book had proven plans to turn dirt to gold.

Take home message? In my honest opinion, some people have just not contributed enough to deserve to make a living from us. Louie Simmons, et al., those that have written article after article and literally given of their time and wisdom for free, will get my money every time. Brooks Kubik gets dick from me.

Now lest you think I’m misguided; I know Louie, et al, have something to sell…and I’m not against anyone making a living. No one here should be a philanthropist. We’re not communist for christ sakes! But these men I’m talking about give, give and give, and then maybe ask to receive if you’re interested in what they got.

Brooks, even in the beginning, was all about pay me. And me, all I can say, from that one very early episode, is to fuck him. And I encourage you to do the same to him and his ilk.

And lest you think I’m some internet anonymous coward criticizing behind the cloak of the internet…I sign off under my real name…b/c that’s how strongly I feel about guys like this trying to get your money.

Steve Dana
Gibbstown NJ[/quote]

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[quote]Natural Nate wrote:
Ho-ly shit.

You mean Brooks had the nerve . . . the audacity . . . TO REQUIRE MONEY IN EXCHANGE FOR A SERVICE?!?!?!?!

Speaking of which, the fucking bastards at the auto shop the other day actually charged me for repairing my breaks. Sure, they charged for parts . . . but they also charged for labor. Why can’t they just fix everyone’s car for free and then maybe ask for donations? Bastards. They won’t ever get a fucking penny from me.

And how about this doctor I went to the other day. He actually charged me for a consultation. This guy went to med school to learn how to treat disease and he actually expects me to pay for his unique knowledge?!

I’m not laying the sarcasm on too thick am I?

btw, I bought the new course and I’m looking forward to expanding my knowledge of physical culture and improving my body. I hope Brooks enjoys the money I gave him for his service. ;-)[/quote]

Geez Nate, I’d ask you to get down from riding his dick so we can talk, but you might sprain an ankle.

Guys like you are the reason no intelligent discussion can occur on the internet. Reading, you fool, is funiminental. Where did I say he didn’t deserve to be paid for a service? In fact, don’t I expressly defend that right in my post?

Like most reading at the lowest levels, that seem to inhabit the internet in frightening numbers, you cannot appreciate CONTEXT.

The CONTEXT, “natural nate”, was an E-mail list, a free list, where like minded people would discuss training. The question, mr. natural, was how do you perform a dumbell swing. It certainly, in the context of a discussion list, didn’t deserve a buy the video type response.

Ever hear Dave Tate, et als, answer a question here with a “buy the video, book, etc.”? Fuck no.

Expand you knowledge yes…and please, expand your lips off from his dick and read my post again.

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You’ve got quite the preoccupation with guy-on-guy action . . . not that there’s anything wrong with that. :smiley:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Geez Nate, I’d ask you to get down from riding his dick so we can talk, but you might sprain an ankle.

Guys like you are the reason no intelligent discussion can occur on the internet. Reading, you fool, is funiminental. Where did I say he didn’t deserve to be paid for a service? In fact, don’t I expressly defend that right in my post?

Like most reading at the lowest levels, that seem to inhabit the internet in frightening numbers, you cannot appreciate CONTEXT.

The CONTEXT, “natural nate”, was an E-mail list, a free list, where like minded people would discuss training. The question, mr. natural, was how do you perform a dumbell swing. It certainly, in the context of a discussion list, didn’t deserve a buy the video type response.

Ever hear Dave Tate, et als, answer a question here with a “buy the video, book, etc.”? Fuck no.

Expand you knowledge yes…and please, expand your lips off from his dick and read my post again.[/quote]

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Nate has a legitimate point.

I think there are a lot of people who have become spoiled from the Internet. Everything has to be free or they don’t even consider it. And in a way I can understand that.

However, let’s not come down to harshly on those who are trying to make a living from the knowledge that they have accumulated through the years.

I’m not buying Brooks book because I think he is a “lifting guy” from all of his previous work. So, what does he know about body weight movements-And of course why is the price so darn high?

By the way, if you go to Brooks site you can read a ton of free information. Free information on what he knows best that is: Barbells, dumbbells and odd objects. And a good history of the iron game.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Nate has a legitimate point.

I think there are a lot of people who have become spoiled from the Internet. Everything has to be free or they don’t even consider it. And in a way I can understand that.

[/quote]

Not really. The guy asked a simple question: what’s this basic exercise? Sure, he could have gone to exrx and looked it up, or typed it into a search engine, but he asked a guy who would know.

The answer could/should have been, “well you stand with your feet shoulder-width apart and…” or maybe a link to another site that describes it. Do you honestly think the dumbbell swing was the secret of Brooks’ system and telling someone how to do it would not only have meant a lost sale, but that no one else would need to buy his system because they all know what a dumbbell swing is?

The response was, IMO, valid - “I’m asking a simple question and got a jackass answer - this Brooks dude is a dick.”

Had Brook said, “well, here’s how you do one…BTW, my newsletter tells you all sort of cool stuff,” the response would likely have been closer to, “hey, this big-time guru answered my dumb question, he’s pretty cool, I’ll check his stuff out and see what he says…”

Same thing with the contributors on T-Nation - yeah, they put more brainpower into thinking about this stuff in a single day than the combined board does in a week, and they make their living selling that information, but they’re always willing to answer questions and give out useful information.

Especially when it’s, “hey, here’s some cool stuff, which I think will definitely help you, but if you want the even better stuff, here’s my book.”

Now, I can decide if the stuff I’ve gotten off the site is good enough or if spending the extra X dollars on Berardi’s book is worth it.

IMO, the extra money is usually worth it because I don’t have the time (or the training!) to put the thought into a lot of this and, from having read the responses and helpfulness (not to mention the free on-site articles) of the writers, I know that they not only have done their homework, but they’re giving solid information that’s worth the money, not trying to charge someone for stuff that’s essentially common knowledge.

That got a little long-winded, but that’s the idea.

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Zeb, let’s get a little more specific: It’s T-Nation that has spoiled these people. :smiley:
I swear, if this site were handed to me to run, I’d immediately start charging people at least $100 a year to view it. And it’d still be a bargain.

(Mod Zilla, that’s totally a compliment so you can let this one slide through, right? :wink: )

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Nate has a legitimate point.

I think there are a lot of people who have become spoiled from the Internet.

[/quote]

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The reason people are used to things being free is because there’s a ton of bullshit being sold. Kubik is an asshole with his ‘packages’ for $400 and $500. No, wait, I take that back. Actually Pavel is the asshole - Kubik is the Darth Vader of assholes. There’s literature people spent years writing and researching, there are scientific compilations that are sold for a small fraction of this cost. I loved the fact that most of Pavel’s stuff is available for download on LimeWire and I hope to see Kubik’s E-book there too a few months from now. And you know what? If it’s actually as helpfull as claimed I’ll buy the paperback and write an excellent Amazon review. But I’m probably going to see a spiderweb of bullshit stretched out over a few hundred pages and not even available on places like B&N or Amazon because the bastard’s greed just won’t let him.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Nate has a legitimate point.

I think there are a lot of people who have become spoiled from the Internet. Everything has to be free or they don’t even consider it. And in a way I can understand that.

However, let’s not come down to harshly on those who are trying to make a living from the knowledge that they have accumulated through the years.

I’m not buying Brooks book because I think he is a “lifting guy” from all of his previous work. So, what does he know about body weight movements-And of course why is the price so darn high?

By the way, if you go to Brooks site you can read a ton of free information. Free information on what he knows best that is: Barbells, dumbbells and odd objects. And a good history of the iron game.

[/quote]

Amen Cluster…finally someone that understands the point AND the context. Let me help you along Zeb.

This strength E-mail list is very much like the present day Supertraining list - a place where training theory, etc., are discussed. Brooks was on that list. In fact, Dan John was a member at one time. Keep in mind, we are discussing training!

You act as if I’m trying to get the contents of dinosaur for free. It would be as if the last Mel Sif, on Supertraining, responded to a query about a technical aspect of the snatch with a buy my book response. Imagine Dave Tate or Louie responding to a simple box squat question with a “buy the video”.

Yea, I know folks are always looking for freebies…heck, some authors I’m sure are just about bombarded with fools wanting them to put together their whole training cycle and diet in some endless Q&A. Well, my example wasn’t that case and not in that context. It wasn’t as if I wrote Kubic a personal E-mail bugging him. It was a topic of discussion!

And don’t tell me about his articles. His articles are teasers meant to induce you to buy something. They give no real substantive information. Compare those articles to the ones written RIGHT HERE, compare them to Louies or Dave’s at Elite. No comparision.

My point is that many have given far more to this “game” and are far more deserving of your business than Mr. Bottom Line Kubik. Kubik, from the very beginning, was a show me the money guy…just have been his lawyer background.

And one other thing, your logic for not buying his book is even flawed. Brooks a lifting guy? Because of his dinosaur background? LOL. Brooks, being an intelligent sort of fellow, compiled existing information - he didn’t invent those lifts - he compiled largely “forgotten” - if you will - movements. He is as certainly qualified to compile and write a book about bwt. excercises as he was to write a book about “dinosaur” training.

Cluster understands it perfectly…you should read his post, and mine again.

And I’ll say it one last time; there are plenty of authors here whom have given more that deserve your business.

And nowhere did I imply a guy doesn’t have a right to make a living…in fact, i expressly supported it.

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[quote]Natural Nate wrote:
Zeb, let’s get a little more specific: It’s T-Nation that has spoiled these people. :smiley:
I swear, if this site were handed to me to run, I’d immediately start charging people at least $100 a year to view it. And it’d still be a bargain.

(Mod Zilla, that’s totally a compliment so you can let this one slide through, right? :wink: )

ZEB wrote:
Nate has a legitimate point.

I think there are a lot of people who have become spoiled from the Internet.

[/quote]

You STILL don’t get it. This was an E-mail member list discussing training…exactly like Supertraining operates and has operated to this day. We discussed, in detail, training methodology, diet, WSB, you name it. This wasn’t some damn web site where I’m trolling looking for a freebie. These were members to the list, I included, exchanging, discussing and sharing insight and information…its express and sole purpose. I was a member just like he and we both, along with dozens of others, actively participated. Give him your money I could care less…I’m just telling you where mine will go. And I’m telling you how this guy was from the very beginning.

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[quote]Cluster wrote:

… but they’re always willing to answer questions and give out useful information. [/quote]

Yes, but if you give it some thought there is a reason that “they” are always willing to do this for FREE. There are selling supplements on this site and the information is free.

In other words, there is a way for them to make money (and rightly so).

Brooks on the other hand makes his money by actually selling the information.

If you fail to see the difference you have missed a very large point.

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[quote]Natural Nate wrote:
Zeb, let’s get a little more specific: It’s T-Nation that has spoiled these people. :smiley:
I swear, if this site were handed to me to run, I’d immediately start charging people at least $100 a year to view it. And it’d still be a bargain.

(Mod Zilla, that’s totally a compliment so you can let this one slide through, right? :wink: )

ZEB wrote:
Nate has a legitimate point.

I think there are a lot of people who have become spoiled from the Internet.

[/quote]

A while back there was some BIG news coming down the pike from “T-Mag.” Remember that?

Just before they turned into “T-Nation.” There was speculation that this was going to turn into a pay site. Some folks didn’t like it, some did.

I was actually hoping that it was going to turn into a pay site. I think that it would have improved the quality of the posts automatically.

I think we (loyalists) would have benifited in some other wasy as well.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

Yes, but if you give it some thought there is a reason that “they” are always willing to do this for FREE.
[/quote]

Please go back and reread my post. I did give it some thought - hence my statement that “here’s some good free stuff, now here’s some better pay stuff.” That was the point of my post.

You’ve given another example in support of my point.

From a markteing standpoint, what Biotest is doing is part of the “new marketing” - creating a conversation with their customers, not saying, “hey, our supps are good because there’s these dudes in white coats making them and these freaky guys in the magazine like them,” but rather, “You are a sophisticated demographic, here’s some information that you will find useful and, since you’re so smart, here’s why our products are better than the others.”

  1. We agree on this.

  2. We don’t think there’s anything wrong with it.

[quote]Brooks on the other hand makes his money by actually selling the information.

If you fail to see the difference you have missed a very large point.[/quote]

So, if Biotest gives information away and sells supplements, Brooks should give supplements away and sell information?

I guess I fail to see the difference.

We’re also talking about two different things, so yeah, there’s a difference.

You’re talking about information and commodity goods. We’re talking about information and information.

Biotest has nothing to do with the free information vs. pay information debate. What I wrote about above about having a conversation with your audience is what Brooks was doing - T-Nation was an example you may be more familiar with.

Here’s me rewriting the scenario using the Berardi example I used before:

Let’s say Berardi writes an article on nutrition. He writes about the macronutrient profile of a diet. I, being a beginner, have no idea what a macronutrient is. I post and say, “dumb question, what’s a macronutrient?”

Berardi could answer in one of two ways,

  1. “Macronutrients are proteins, carbs and fats. You know, I’m writing a new book about a diet that explains how to select foods based on their macronutrient profile.”

  2. “You should buy my new book to find out.”

Now, knowing what a macronutrient is not a trade secret - if I know what it is, it’s not like I’ll say, “thanks, now I don’t need his book.” I’ll be able to say, “Oh, cool, he’s both smart and really wants to help me; I’ll definitely check out his book now.”

If Berardi responds with #2, I would be like, “what an ass - all he had to say was it’s proteins, carbs and fats. I’m not going to give him any of my money - he’s a dick.”

That’s what we’re saying. I don’t know how else to phrase it.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Let me help you along Zeb.[/quote]

Help is good, I like help :slight_smile:

Training, yep…the thing that they make their money with. Okay, I think I am following you so far.

No I never accused you of trying to do that. You wouldn’t even think of doing that would you? :slight_smile:

So, basically you are a bit miffed at the response that he gave you. I can understand that.

Yea, we do see that here on T-Nation all the time don’t we.

Then why did Brooks notify the authorities that you were stalking him? :slight_smile:

Sorry, but you are wrong on that point. On his site there are many decent articles for free.

NOTHING COMPARES TO T-Nation-NOTHING! (pounds fist on table). You are preaching to the choir on that one my friend.

I really dislike most lawyers. And lawyers who lift weights…well I don’t like them either…

Oh darn you are wrong again (I think that’s three times if I was to count em up).

Of course he didn’t “invent” them. Can you tell me who “invented” the clean and press, or the squat or the…you get the idea.

Here’s a refresher on what I said:

"let’s not come down to harshly on those who are trying to make a living from the knowledge that they have accumulated through the years.

See that wordaccumulated?

That would be mean that he "collected, or gathered it together. He then utilize it in his own training for impressive gains. That is what he obviously did. Dinasaur Training is a great compilation of such things. He didn’t do that with “body weight” only movements. Therefore, I have no interest in his latest book. Understand yet?

In fact he did such a good job with his original Dino training book that he opened a lot of peoples eyes regarding this style of training.

He spelled it out clearly. And
he used many of these movements himself.

By the way do you think Poliquin invented barbell curls? Of course not! But he sure as heck can put together great information which seems to help people. And he looks darned impressive-And so it is with Kubik.

Cluster happens to have one of the highest IQ’s on T-Nation of course he understands this stuff better than I do. And as for you, well you are just one very bright individual and that’s that.

But you just happen to be wrong on a couple of points. But no one is perfect right?

Thank you for saying it again. However, keep one factoid in mind: Everyone makes money one way or the other, or they stop doing what it is that they were doing! Got that?

T-Nation makes money by selling the best supplements in the business, in my opinion. That’s why you get all of the great FREE articles.

So, my advice for you, and everyone else who frequents this site, is that if you like the FREE articles purchase your supplements from T-Nation. You probably already do this so forgive me.

I never said that YOU stated he didn’t have a right to make a living now did I?

Go back are reread my post!

Oh and while you’re at it read Clusters again too. Since you seem to like his post I wanted to give you one assignment that you liked and one you didn’t.

As I stated previously, I think you are ticked off that Kubik blew you off when you asked him a question. And I can understand that. Just keep one thing in mind: this guy is a lawyer and with very few exceptions (like BB) all lawyers are rats.

Shakespeare may have been right…

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[quote]Cluster wrote:
ZEB wrote:

Please go back and reread my post. I did give it some thought - hence my statement that “here’s some good free stuff, now here’s some better pay stuff.” That was the point of my post.[/quote]

I don’t think it is fair to compare apples to oranges.

That is the most convoluted logic that I have read since the political threads.

[quote]We’re also talking about two different things, so yeah, there’s a difference.

You’re talking about information and commodity goods. We’re talking about information and information.[/quote]

You are the one who raised the Kubik/T-Nation comparison remember?

I’m the guy who thinks that the comparison is faulty.

[quote]Here’s me rewriting the scenario using the Berardi example I used before:

Let’s say Berardi writes an article on nutrition. He writes about the macronutrient profile of a diet. I, being a beginner, have no idea what a macronutrient is. I post and say, “dumb question, what’s a macronutrient?”

Berardi could answer in one of two ways,

  1. “Macronutrients are proteins, carbs and fats. You know, I’m writing a new book about a diet that explains how to select foods based on their macronutrient profile.”

  2. “You should buy my new book to find out.”

Now, knowing what a macronutrient is not a trade secret - if I know what it is, it’s not like I’ll say, “thanks, now I don’t need his book.” I’ll be able to say, “Oh, cool, he’s both smart and really wants to help me; I’ll definitely check out his book now.”[/quote]

I agree that Kubik was a lawyer…oops I mean a jerk for doing that.

  1. I won’t buy his book as he does not have the background in body weight movements and the product is over priced. However, I will say again that many are spoiled (Not you or our friend bodyguard…no no) by all of the free info on the Internet.
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Um . . . I was responding to Zeb saying I’d charge for people to view T-Nation . . . don’t really know why you responded with this.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

You STILL don’t get it. This was an E-mail member list discussing training…exactly like Supertraining operates and has operated to this day. We discussed, in detail, training methodology, diet, WSB, you name it. This wasn’t some damn web site where I’m trolling looking for a freebie. These were members to the list, I included, exchanging, discussing and sharing insight and information…its express and sole purpose. I was a member just like he and we both, along with dozens of others, actively participated. Give him your money I could care less…I’m just telling you where mine will go. And I’m telling you how this guy was from the very beginning.
[/quote]

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Are you saying that the amount of business an author deserves depends on the amount of free stuff they give?

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

And I’ll say it one last time; there are plenty of authors here whom have given more that deserve your business.
[/quote]

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[quote]Natural Nate wrote:
Are you saying that the amount of business an author deserves depends on the amount of free stuff they give?

TheBodyGuard wrote:

And I’ll say it one last time; there are plenty of authors here whom have given more that deserve your business.

[/quote]

My post stands as it is in its original context. I really thought my experience added the necessary texture to already posted criticisms of his marketing in general. I have no need for Brooks, Dinosaur or his bwt training. You spend your money where you see fit.

My money, when the need arises, will go to those that I think “give back” to the game. Something as simple as jump stretch bands; needed them, could have purchased them anywhere, including jumpstretch. All things were equal (price) and I purchased them from Elite on the strength of Dave’s contributions.

If teaser articles and 101 marketing are enough to get your dollar, so be it…but to me, although you’re not yet quite buying boron or liver tablets, you’re now on the waiting list and WILL purchase them when the right ad arrives.

And oh what the heck, let me answer your original question. Although your question (e.g. “free stuff”) is really off the topic of my original point / experience, I’ll answer it anyway. No, the amount of business an author deserves should not be dependent upon “how much free stuff he gives”.

But in terms of the bottom line, and maybe Brooks missed this day in that 101 marketing class he took, contributions and good will in general go far with an informed consumer. When you’re a willing participant in a discussion group, and you answer a rather simple question with a “buy my book” response - you’re seriously out of touch - and if you can defend that type of response, in that context, then you too are out of touch or, you just don’t get it, or maybe Brooks is giving you the book for free to defend him :slight_smile: I’d expect the people that buy crap from Furey, Brooks, et al. are the kind of people that buy the “supplements” advertised in the back pages of men’s magazines…the ones right next to boron with a pic of some scrawny dude getting sand kicked in his face. You know, right up there with that diet drug that implores you that you don’t really need this diet pill if all you’re trying to do is lose 10 pounds…lolololol.

My thoughts, I am certain you are thankful for this, are complete on this matter. Anything more, is beating a dead horse - and we already have.

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