[quote]Chushin wrote:
lixy wrote:
Joe D. wrote:
He he.
(EDIT, to make it more civilized): Lixy sure knows how to talk to others in a productive, constructive way, no?
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Well, with people like you teaching him American Internet etiquette you can hardly blame him.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Yes. Alleged until proven otherwise. Show me figures of this “mass immigration” then I’ll drop the “alleged” part.[/quote]
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BostonBarrister wrote:
People are afraid to express their opinions - how can a republic function that way?
lixy wrote:
Republic? Are you sure you’re in London and not Londonderry?[/quote]
For London, I suppose I should have added “People’s” in front of Republic, at least while Red Ken is still in charge.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
lixy wrote:
Yes. Alleged until proven otherwise. Show me figures of this “mass immigration” then I’ll drop the “alleged” part.
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I had no idea we were talking millions of people.
However, it is evident from that page that something is being done about it.
“In 2006, there were 149,035 applications for British citizenship, 32 percent fewer than in 2005. The number of people granted citizenship during 2006 was 154,095, 5 per cent fewer than in 2005.”
One would assume, based on those numbers, that the government is trying to revert that trend and curtail any further “mass immigration”. This won’t make Joe’s problem automagically disappear and the migrants who are already there won’t vanish. I am yet to hear any coherent proposal from his part. He’s apparently determined to “build up resentment” and “complain” without offering anything resembling a solution. And no matter how you twist it, it remains textbook xenophobia.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
Chushin wrote:
lixy wrote:
Joe D. wrote:
He he.
(EDIT, to make it more civilized): Lixy sure knows how to talk to others in a productive, constructive way, no?
Well, with people like you teaching him American Internet etiquette you can hardly blame him.
Awww, isn’t that sweet. You’re sticking up for your girlfriend, I see. How warm and fuzzy of you!
And, of course, we could NEVER hold Lixy responsible for his own behavior. If we did that, how on earth could we blame the Big, Bad Americans for everything?
Hey! By your wonderful logic, I can blame YOU for having taught me Austrian Internet etiquette! Cool!
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No you can´t, because part of it is posting in German.
I can’t be bothered weighing in on the specific situation in England but just wanted to mention how utterly retarded the notion of tolerance of immigrants is.
I really just can’t imagine moving to a foreign country and expecting people to “tolerate” me. I would view it as my responsibility to do what was necessary to fit in with the locals, and I certainly wouldn’t behave in a way that requires people to “tolerate” me.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Regular Gonzalez wrote:
I can’t be bothered weighing in on the specific situation in England but just wanted to mention how utterly retarded the notion of tolerance of immigrants is.
I really just can’t imagine moving to a foreign country and expecting people to “tolerate” me. I would view it as my responsibility to do what was necessary to fit in with the locals, and I certainly wouldn’t behave in a way that requires people to tolerate me.
An interesting perspective.
An important (and valued) part of traditional Japanese human relations is the willingness and ability to adjust to and accomodate the “other” in one’s sphere of action.
It’s a simplification (I’m guessing Varq will jump in!), but it often leads to Japanese people just assuming that THEY have to be the ones to “tolerate.”[/quote]
Here is an example of some of my fellow countrymen who seem to agree that the Japanese should be willing to “tolerate” them.
That retard deserved a much more severe beating. I hope he got deported immediately.
Actually fuck that, I don’t want those douches coming back to my country.
[quote]Regular Gonzalez wrote:
I can’t be bothered weighing in on the specific situation in England but just wanted to mention how utterly retarded the notion of tolerance of immigrants is.
I really just can’t imagine moving to a foreign country and expecting people to “tolerate” me. I would view it as my responsibility to do what was necessary to fit in with the locals, and I certainly wouldn’t behave in a way that requires people to “tolerate” me. [/quote]
I agree with this - with the caveat that I think people can tolerate a lot of stuff in the private sphere, provided it’s otherwise legal under the laws of the home country. What I don’t understand is failure to enforce criminal and other laws based on “tolerance,” nor the idea that immigrants shouldn’t conform to societal norms in the destination country when it comes to public behavior.
It’s weird, after reading that what I am witnessing with my own eyes is merely “alleged” I suddenly started to filter out the rest of his comments. Yet upon the production of wikipedia statistics, it suddenly becomes true.
Perhaps I should simply post links in the future if I am going to upset Moroccan swedes?
[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
Chushin wrote:
lixy wrote:
Joe D. wrote:
He he.
(EDIT, to make it more civilized): Lixy sure knows how to talk to others in a productive, constructive way, no?
Well, with people like you teaching him American Internet etiquette you can hardly blame him.
Awww, isn’t that sweet. You’re sticking up for your girlfriend, I see. How warm and fuzzy of you!
And, of course, we could NEVER hold Lixy responsible for his own behavior. If we did that, how on earth could we blame the Big, Bad Americans for everything?
Hey! By your wonderful logic, I can blame YOU for having taught me Austrian Internet etiquette! Cool!
No you can´t, because part of it is posting in German.
Wow. Pretty pathetic, there Deutsch-bag. You get more and more inane. I’m getting bored…
OK, what the heck; I’ll play along:
Same here, since you make all those “ebil” mistakes in your entertaining attempts at what you apparently think is English.
Oh, and BTW, kono kaiwa wo nihongo de yaritakattara, itsu de mo ii yo. Baka.
(See? Part of my etiquette is Japanese. But you obviously wouldn’t know anything about that, since I doubt you’ve ever left your precious little EU.)
Edit: A gross waste of my time. Continue on if you must. I’m finished.[/quote]
Finally.
Sweet tranquility.
[quote]Joe D. wrote:
It’s weird, after reading that what I am witnessing with my own eyes is merely “alleged” I suddenly started to filter out the rest of his comments. Yet upon the production of wikipedia statistics, it suddenly becomes true.
Perhaps I should simply post links in the future if I am going to upset Moroccan swedes?[/quote]
Where did I seem “upset” to you?
I explained to you, as best as I can, how I might see the whole thing from a distorted angle. France has the same number of immigrants as Britain, as there is no way anyone can describe it as “mass immigration”. That term, I reserve for exoduses or similar events.
And I admitted that I had no idea about the scale of immigration in the UK. Before I saw BB’s link, I thought it would be in the high hundred thousands. So, yes, I can understand that you feel like a stranger in your own land. But it doesn’t give you a pass to behave like a brat who’s bitching without offering any alternatives.
P.S: One would assume that somebody so attached to “English pride” knows what alleged means. Here’s a clue: It has nothing to do with true or false. It’s about verifiability.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Joe D. wrote:
It’s weird, after reading that what I am witnessing with my own eyes is merely “alleged” I suddenly started to filter out the rest of his comments. Yet upon the production of wikipedia statistics, it suddenly becomes true.
Perhaps I should simply post links in the future if I am going to upset Moroccan swedes?
Where did I seem “upset” to you?
I explained to you, as best as I can, how I might see the whole thing from a distorted angle. France has the same number of immigrants as Britain, as there is no way anyone can describe it as “mass immigration”. That term, I reserve for exoduses or similar events.
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The Polish migration to Britain is the largest since the Huguenots four centuries back. If you were over here, you’d realize pretty fast that “mass immigration” is the appropriate term.
[quote]lixy wrote:
France has the same number of immigrants as Britain, as there is no way anyone can describe it as “mass immigration”. [/quote]
Lixy, what do you mean here? You are no doubt aware of the anger & tension in France regarding “mass immigration,” especially from north africa.
wtf are you talking about? Do you mean to say that Joe should first lay out a complete 5-year plan to overhaul British immigration policies? And then try to understand and face the problem squarely? Methinks this is bassackwards.
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
lixy wrote:
Joe D. wrote:
It’s weird, after reading that what I am witnessing with my own eyes is merely “alleged” I suddenly started to filter out the rest of his comments. Yet upon the production of wikipedia statistics, it suddenly becomes true.
Perhaps I should simply post links in the future if I am going to upset Moroccan swedes?
Where did I seem “upset” to you?
I explained to you, as best as I can, how I might see the whole thing from a distorted angle. France has the same number of immigrants as Britain, as there is no way anyone can describe it as “mass immigration”. That term, I reserve for exoduses or similar events.
The Polish migration to Britain is the largest since the Huguenots four centuries back. If you were over here, you’d realize pretty fast that “mass immigration” is the appropriate term.[/quote]
Like I said, I’m not very familiar with Britain. Been there a couple of times totaling less than 4 months. And the English people I know speak of an immigration problem, but nobody ever used the term “massive” or similar.
Admittedly, four millions is an awfully large number. If you want to call it mass immigration, suit yourself. I won’t challenge that.
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
lixy wrote:
France has the same number of immigrants as Britain, as there is no way anyone can describe it as “mass immigration”.
Lixy, what do you mean here? You are no doubt aware of the anger & tension in France regarding “mass immigration,” especially from north africa. [/quote]
Yeah, I am very much aware of the tension there. But I know the history behind it. Trust me when I say that this is a direct consequence of the French annexation of Algeria/Carribeans and colonization of Morocco/Tunisia/etc.
I also know that the majority of the French people have always put the equality values of the Republic above any nationalistic crap LePen and his pals want to pull off. Yes, Sarkozy cracked down on illegal immigrants, but that is because they transgress the law. There’s a clear path to becoming a resident of France and those people didn’t follow it, so it’s only fair to kick them out.
There has always been “anger & tension” in France. What you probably can’t see from over there, is that it’s a class struggle whereby the people resist the state trying to take away the things the French people fought so hard to acquire. And yes, most immigrants are of lower classes. That’s where an amalgam may arise.
And by no means would the majority of French people talk about the situation as “mass immigration”. It has been a much less brutal process than in the UK. But hey, the Brits didn’t open the floodgates to save people or any other such thing. They did so because coal run out up north, the industry started to suffer, the country was losing its golden eggs hens overseas (read independence) and Thatcher left the country in a pathetic state.
[quote]So, yes, I can understand that you feel like a stranger in your own land. But it doesn’t give you a pass to behave like a brat who’s bitching without offering any alternatives.
wtf are you talking about? Do you mean to say that Joe should first lay out a complete 5-year plan to overhaul British immigration policies? And then try to understand and face the problem squarely? Methinks this is bassackwards.[/quote]
No. I’m not asking for “a complete 5-year plan to overhaul British immigration policies”. The general idea would suffice. (e.g: Put a moratorium on all new arrivals. Kick everyone that’s not white and Christian out. etc.)
That would be a constructive debate.
[quote]lixy wrote:
That would be a constructive debate.[/quote]
Yes, but we first have to assess what the problem is, right? You yourself weren’t aware of the scale of the problem. I see the discussion and defining of the problem as progress.
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
lixy wrote:
That would be a constructive debate.
Yes, but we first have to assess what the problem is, right? You yourself weren’t aware of the scale of the problem. I see the discussion and defining of the problem as progress.[/quote]
I believe the problem was defined by the OP.