Well I finally got the stuff from “Smart Nutrition”
It took about 1.5wks to get from Cali to MA; but my postman didn’t deliver mail for another week b/c of the snow. (We broke our only shovel) So I called SN and told them I never got the package and they refunded me the money. THEN I GOT THE PACKAGE! So I got free supps!
I started taking it yesterday; obviously nothing yet. But we’ll see.
I also bought some DMAE and was wondering if there was a dosing protocol as well as if there is anything that HAS TO be taken with this?
I don’t think anything needs to be taken with DMAE. 200 mg is the standard dose. Power Drive is a nice supplement for getting choline precursors, not expensive either.
I myself began taking vinpocetine a few days ago. On top of piracetam it seems to have turned my brain into a knowledge sponge that consequently needs to be fed every 5 seconds.
I sometimes questions whether the nootropics make my ADD symptoms worse or better. I think it is a mixture of both.
[quote]B rocK wrote:
Well I finally got the stuff from “Smart Nutrition”
It took about 1.5wks to get from Cali to MA; but my postman didn’t deliver mail for another week b/c of the snow. (We broke our only shovel) So I called SN and told them I never got the package and they refunded me the money. THEN I GOT THE PACKAGE! So I got free supps!
I started taking it yesterday; obviously nothing yet. But we’ll see.
I also bought some DMAE and was wondering if there was a dosing protocol as well as if there is anything that HAS TO be taken with this?[/quote]
DMAE - Start off at 200mg. Over the course of a couple weeks, gradually build up to 400mg then 600mg.
Assess tolerance. Some only like 200mg. If you can tolerate higher doses, go for it.
[quote]Rusty Barbell wrote:
I don’t think anything needs to be taken with DMAE. 200 mg is the standard dose. Power Drive is a nice supplement for getting choline precursors, not expensive either.
I myself began taking vinpocetine a few days ago. On top of piracetam it seems to have turned my brain into a knowledge sponge that consequently needs to be fed every 5 seconds.
I sometimes questions whether the nootropics make my ADD symptoms worse or better. I think it is a mixture of both.[/quote]
Yea, I really dig Power Drive. It’s a great price too, if you broke down all the ingredients into pill form and took them separate, Power Drive is much cheaper, and a whole lot more convenient.
I’m about to start taking a second dose of it regularly.
[quote]Wise Guy wrote:
Rusty Barbell wrote:
I don’t think anything needs to be taken with DMAE. 200 mg is the standard dose. Power Drive is a nice supplement for getting choline precursors, not expensive either.
I myself began taking vinpocetine a few days ago. On top of piracetam it seems to have turned my brain into a knowledge sponge that consequently needs to be fed every 5 seconds.
I sometimes questions whether the nootropics make my ADD symptoms worse or better. I think it is a mixture of both.
Yea, I really dig Power Drive. It’s a great price too, if you broke down all the ingredients into pill form and took them separate, it’s much cheaper, and a whole lot more convenient.
I’m about to start taking a second dose of it regularly.
Either that, and/or a racetam, probably oxi
Right now Im at
30mg vinpo
Power Drive x 1
DMAE 600mg
B Complex
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i tried oxi but i couldn’t handle it… it made me really depressed. i started low dose then worked my way up to 600mg at one time. im currently taking pira and it works great for me. dose right now is at 1.5 grams x3/day. also, choline is a must. pira reminds me of pot. kinda the same thinking process but without the high. and music sounds better too.
[quote]duddy wrote:
i tried oxi but i couldn’t handle it… it made me really depressed. i started low dose then worked my way up to 600mg at one time. im currently taking pira and it works great for me. dose right now is at 1.5 grams x3/day. also, choline is a must. pira reminds me of pot. kinda the same thinking process but without the high. and music sounds better too.
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Duddy,
Thanks for the reply. Many here are saying that oxi was the way to go, but my gut instinct tells me to at least try pira first. I can dose it much lower, and its easier and cheaper to get as well.
For some reason I cannot quantify, I am just appealed to try pira first.
I can always graduate from pira to oxi at a later date.
4800mg(4.8g) seems to be the common high dose. Many start at 2400 and work up. So it looks like your tolerating it well handling a dose that high.
I figure your a good measuring stick. Like my guinea pig. If Duddy can take it, I sure as hell can!
Can’t say the same thing for Bushy. Me thinks he can swallow nuclear waste and come out unscathed.
[quote]roweski wrote:
Wise Guy wrote:
30mg vinpo
Power Drive x 1
DMAE 600mg
B Complex
Nice stack. How’s it working out for you?
-Rowesk[/quote]
Glorious. I feel way more sharper and my mental endurance is at an all time high.
It took awhile to get used to life without caffeine, so that certainly stalled early progress. I started this stack in mid October, and I would say my best gains, cognitively, have come within the last couple weeks for sure.
This stuff takes time.
I really want to push the natural limits before I add in a racetam.
Anyone notice vinpocetine helping them lift a little more weight?
I’ve only been taking it since the weekend at 20 mg/day, but today I was able to do 315 on the squat 5 times (1x1x2x1) and felt super great doing it.
Usually I can only do it 2 maybe 3 times (1-2x1), and I had even lost a little strength around December so I was working back up to my usual reps which I have been sitting at for a while (~2 years). Not much else is different this week.
[quote]duddy wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Blimey! Sounds like chocamine isn’t the plum pudding I thought it was. Or should that be ‘turkey’? I’m mixing my metaphors…
It never seemed to do a thing for me TBH, but I’m glad you guys like it.
BBB
also another note on chocamine… it dehydrates me faster then a thousand cups of coffee. [/quote]
x 1000! (That’s a lot, huh)
Seriously, after I started my current round of chocamine supplementation, it seemed like no matter how much water I drank, I couldn’t stay hydrated. My lips got all chapped and everything. It’s better now, but that first week or two seems to be pretty rough as far as that goes.
[quote]AngryVader wrote:
duddy wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Blimey! Sounds like chocamine isn’t the plum pudding I thought it was. Or should that be ‘turkey’? I’m mixing my metaphors…
It never seemed to do a thing for me TBH, but I’m glad you guys like it.
BBB
also another note on chocamine… it dehydrates me faster then a thousand cups of coffee.
x 1000! (That’s a lot, huh)
Seriously, after I started my current round of chocamine supplementation, it seemed like no matter how much water I drank, I couldn’t stay hydrated. My lips got all chapped and everything. It’s better now, but that first week or two seems to be pretty rough as far as that goes.[/quote]
there was one point where i thought i was going to die of dehydration. no joke.
[quote]Wise Guy wrote:
duddy wrote:
i tried oxi but i couldn’t handle it… it made me really depressed. i started low dose then worked my way up to 600mg at one time. im currently taking pira and it works great for me. dose right now is at 1.5 grams x3/day. also, choline is a must. pira reminds me of pot. kinda the same thinking process but without the high. and music sounds better too.
Duddy,
Thanks for the reply. Many here are saying that oxi was the way to go, but my gut instinct tells me to at least try pira first. I can dose it much lower, and its easier and cheaper to get as well.
For some reason I cannot quantify, I am just appealed to try pira first.
I can always graduate from pira to oxi at a later date.
4800mg(4.8g) seems to be the common high dose. Many start at 2400 and work up. So it looks like your tolerating it well handling a dose that high.
I figure your a good measuring stick. Like my guinea pig. If Duddy can take it, I sure as hell can!
Can’t say the same thing for Bushy. Me thinks he can swallow nuclear waste and come out unscathed.
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I took the same approach. I’m glad I can be of help to you, even if you are calling me a pussy!! ;]
[quote]Rusty Barbell wrote:
Anyone notice vinpocetine helping them lift a little more weight?
I’ve only been taking it since the weekend at 20 mg/day, but today I was able to do 315 on the squat 5 times (1x1x2x1) and felt super great doing it.
Usually I can only do it 2 maybe 3 times (1-2x1), and I had even lost a little strength around December so I was working back up to my usual reps which I have been sitting at for a while (~2 years). Not much else is different this week.[/quote]
Not that I’ve noticed, but I just started taking Power Drive and I have for sure gotten stronger with it! Work outs are great!
[quote]Wise Guy wrote:
duddy wrote:
middleageguy wrote:
duddy wrote:
Can anyone give me any info on brain function clonazepam?
clonazepam is believed to act by simulating the action of GABA on the central nervous system. Because of strong anxiolytic properties and euphoric side-effects it is said to be among the class of ‘highly potent’ benzodiazepines.
Although benzodiazepines are invaluable in the treatment of anxiety disorders, they have some potential for misuse and may cause dependence or addiction.
The sedative effects of clonazepam are relatively weak, compared to its strong anxiolytic and anticonvulsant effects. One milligram of clonazepam is approximately equivalent to twenty milligrams of diazepam. [1]
I am in speech class and I have anxiety and get anxiety easily. I have a few tablets of this stuff. Do you think this would be ok if i am currently taking Piracetam and Oxiracetam? I know they both act on GABA also.
Thoughts?
I have had some good success using inositol to counteract anxiety when I get overstimulated from tyrosine…it works better than l-theanine. I remember reading that inositol binds to the benzodiazapine receptors. 250 mgs works well for me, but some people may require several grams
i’ve heard that. im going to look into it more.
That absolutely works well(using inositol to counterattack any over stimulation/anxiety with tyrosine)
I take a B complex vitamin with inositol in it.
I can down 6g of tyrosine a day no problem.
Doesn’t work with caffeine though[/quote]
But do you still get noticeable results from tyrosine with the inositol? Like it doesn’t cancel out the focus factor?
[quote]Rusty Barbell wrote:
Anyone notice vinpocetine helping them lift a little more weight?
I’ve only been taking it since the weekend at 20 mg/day, but today I was able to do 315 on the squat 5 times (1x1x2x1) and felt super great doing it.
Usually I can only do it 2 maybe 3 times (1-2x1), and I had even lost a little strength around December so I was working back up to my usual reps which I have been sitting at for a while (~2 years). Not much else is different this week.[/quote]
Power Drive does that for me.
No bullshit, I can throw my disk (I disk golf) at least 20 more yards, easily, when I use it 30 min before a game.
Its mind/muscle recruitment. Vinpo probably acts in a similar manner.
[quote]duddy wrote:
Wise Guy wrote:
duddy wrote:
i tried oxi but i couldn’t handle it… it made me really depressed. i started low dose then worked my way up to 600mg at one time. im currently taking pira and it works great for me. dose right now is at 1.5 grams x3/day. also, choline is a must. pira reminds me of pot. kinda the same thinking process but without the high. and music sounds better too.
Duddy,
Thanks for the reply. Many here are saying that oxi was the way to go, but my gut instinct tells me to at least try pira first. I can dose it much lower, and its easier and cheaper to get as well.
For some reason I cannot quantify, I am just appealed to try pira first.
I can always graduate from pira to oxi at a later date.
4800mg(4.8g) seems to be the common high dose. Many start at 2400 and work up. So it looks like your tolerating it well handling a dose that high.
I figure your a good measuring stick. Like my guinea pig. If Duddy can take it, I sure as hell can!
Can’t say the same thing for Bushy. Me thinks he can swallow nuclear waste and come out unscathed.
I took the same approach. I’m glad I can be of help to you, even if you are calling me a pussy!! ;][/quote]
Ha! It’s an anxiety thing - Im hella sensitive to drugs of any kind too man. Nothing to do with being a pussy. Anxiety is no joke, we have to walk a tight rope with what we take.
Bushy and you other guys are lucky you can dump whatever down your gullet with no worried.
There are also a number of substances reported that may enhance the activity of piracetam. The most well known is choline. The combination of piracetam and choline is reported to be synergistic when used to treat dementia [19], and a study in mice indicates that 50 mg/kg piracetam along with 50 mg/kg choline IP was superior to up to 1000 mg/kg of piracetam alone or up to 200 mg/kg of choline alone [58]. Another study in rats found 100 mg/kg of both piracetam and choline to be superior to 200 mg/kg of either substance [59]. Finally, a study conducted found that when normally ineffective doses of piracetam and citicholine (a nootropic form of choline) were combined, retention was enhanced at both the 24 hour and the 7 day point [60]. Other substances that piracetam has been reported to synergize with include vitamin B6 (for hypoxia), phosphatidylserine (for Alzheimer’s treatment), and hydergine [3-4, 61]. James South, MA also hypothesizes that other B vitamins, NADH, lipoic acid, coenzyme Q10 or idebenone, and magnesium may all enhance the activity of piracetam [4].