Brain Function Boosters

[quote]Rusty Barbell wrote:
I was just throwing the possibility out there. I’ve noticed piracetam to change the THC high a little bit (stronger). It seems to make alcohol more potent with stronger hangovers.

Also caffeine is supposedly enhanced (I noticed this when I first started the two but it has worn off). Just these three represent a fairly wide variety of drugs, so without real testing who is to say the effects of a benzo wouldn’t be changed also? Personally I stay away from benzos so I can’t say for sure.[/quote]

Not so farfetched, perhaps. A quick search brought up three abstracts of some interest, actually. Bushy can deconstruct these :wink:

Psychopharmacology (Berl). 1983;81(4):332-34.

Facilitation of diazepam action by anticonvulsant agents against picrotoxin induced convulsions.

Kulkarni SK, Jog MV.

A subeffective dose (2 mg/kg) of diazepam produced only 50% protection against picrotoxin-induced (PTX) convulsions in rats. Simultaneous administration of GABA and other GABA-ergic substances such as piracetam and sodium valproate, which did not have any effect by themselves, [b]potentiated diazepam action[/b]. The onset of convulsions and mortality due to PTX were significantly delayed. 

The other conventional anticonvulsants phenobarbitone, phenytoin and ethosuximide also enhanced the protective effect of diazepam. Inosine, a putative benzodiazepine ligand, also enhanced diazepam action.

These observations are explained on the basis of data from in vitro studies indicating that GABA-ergic agents and barbiturates enhance both the number of benzodiazepine binding sites and benzodiazepine binding.

The protective effect of clonidine, however, may be mediated by a different mechanism unrelated to the GABA-ergic system.

more recently -

Epilepsy Res. 2004 Feb;58(2-3):167-74.

Anticonvulsant effects of levetiracetam and levetiracetam-diazepam combinations in experimental status epilepticus.
Mazarati AM, Baldwin R, Klitgaard H, Matagne A, Wasterlain CG.

Department of Neurology, Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA.

Status epilepticus (SE) is a neurological emergency, with high mortality and high morbidity among survivors, and novel therapeutic agents are needed to improve this picture. 

We examined the effects of the antiepileptic drug levetiracetam (LEV) in an experimental model of self-sustaining status epilepticus (SSSE), induced in rats by electrical stimulation of the perforant path.

LEV’s unique spectrum of anticonvulsant activity, very high therapeutic index, and neuroprotective properties, make it a potentially interesting agent in the treatment of SE. Pretreatment with LEV intravenously reduced (30 mg/kg) or prevented (50-1000 mg/kg) the development of self-sustaining seizures.

Treatment during the maintenance phase of SSSE diminished (at 200 mg/kg) or aborted seizures (in doses of 500 or 1000 mg/kg). Addition of LEV significantly enhanced the anticonvulsant effects of diazepam (DZP), even when both drugs where given in doses far below their therapeutic level. We conclude that LEV deserves further evaluation in the treatment of status epilepticus.

and finally, wrt the mechanics of a hypothetical racetam-diazepam, interaction -

Br J Pharmacol. 2004 Jun;142(3):594-608. Epub 2004 May 17.

Piracetam and TRH analogues antagonise inhibition by barbiturates, diazepam, melatonin and galanin of human erythrocyte D-glucose transport.
Naftalin RJ, Cunningham P, Afzal-Ahmed I.

Physiology Division, Centre for Vascular Biology and Medicine, King’s College London, Guy’s Campus, New Hunt’s House, London.

1 Nootropic drugs increase glucose uptake into anaesthetised brain and into Alzheimer’s diseased brain. Thyrotropin-releasing hormone, TRH, which has a chemical structure similar to nootropics increases cerebellar uptake of glucose in murine rolling ataxia.

This paper shows that nootropic drugs like piracetam (2-oxo 1 pyrrolidine acetamide) and levetiracetam and neuropeptides like TRH antagonise the inhibition of glucose transport by barbiturates, diazepam, melatonin and endogenous neuropeptide galanin in human erythrocytes in vitro.

2 The potencies of nootropic drugs in opposing scopolamine-induced memory loss correlate with their potencies in antagonising pentobarbital inhibition of erythrocyte glucose transport in vitro (P<0.01).

Less potent nootropics, D-levetiracetam and D-pyroglutamate, have higher antagonist Ki’s against pentobarbital inhibition of glucose transport than more potent L-stereoisomers (P<0.001).

3 Piracetam and TRH have no direct effects on net glucose transport, but competitively antagonise hypnotic drug inhibition of glucose transport. Other nootropics, like aniracetam and levetiracetam, while antagonising pentobarbital action, also inhibit glucose transport.

Analeptics like bemigride and methamphetamine are more potent inhibitors of glucose transport than antagonists of hypnotic action on glucose transport.

4 There are similarities between amino-acid sequences in human glucose transport protein isoform 1 (GLUT1) and the benzodiazepine-binding domains of GABAA (gamma amino butyric acid) receptor subunits. Mapped on a 3D template of GLUT1, these homologies suggest that the site of diazepam and piracetam interaction is a pocket outside the central hydrophilic pore region.

5 Nootropic pyrrolidone antagonism of hypnotic drug inhibition of glucose transport in vitro may be an analogue of TRH antagonism of galanin-induced narcosis.

You have the important parts highlighted. I don’t think anything needs deconstructed. I’d be careful on the first combination attempt. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

wow, good find! So, what’s the verdict? I’m only taking 600 mg’s of pira and 150 mg of oxi a day.

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
OK so I have followed Dukes recommendation to try some bacopa monnieri.

I also went a little overboard on ymorder of nootropics and bought:

1 x Acetyl-L-Carnitine Powder (75 grams)
1 x DMAE Powder (100 grams)
1 x Choline Citrate (100 grams)
1 x Chocamine Powder (100 grams)
1 x Idebenone (60 Capsules/45 mg)
1 x Bacopa Monnieri (20%) Powder (75 grams)
2 x Aniracetam Powder (30 grams)
1 x GABA Powder (100 grams

Particularly looking forward to the aniracetam and the bacopa.

Bushy[/quote]

what did you think of the chocamine?

[quote]duddy wrote:
I’m only taking 600 mg’s of pira and 150 mg of oxi a day.[/quote]

I thought the dose for Oxi was 800mg. I might be wrong.

LR

[quote]duddy wrote:
wow, good find! So, what’s the verdict? I’m only taking 600 mg’s of pira and 150 mg of oxi a day.[/quote]

Wow thats a very conservative dose of both.

Perhaps why not just try one at a time at a higher dose to find out which one you like?

Pira at 2400mg minimum, or Oxi at 750mg

Those are both conservative, proven safe doses

[quote]duddy wrote:
Can anyone give me any info on brain function clonazepam?

clonazepam is believed to act by simulating the action of GABA on the central nervous system. Because of strong anxiolytic properties and euphoric side-effects it is said to be among the class of ‘highly potent’ benzodiazepines. Although benzodiazepines are invaluable in the treatment of anxiety disorders, they have some potential for misuse and may cause dependence or addiction.

The sedative effects of clonazepam are relatively weak, compared to its strong anxiolytic and anticonvulsant effects. One milligram of clonazepam is approximately equivalent to twenty milligrams of diazepam. [1]

I am in speech class and I have anxiety and get anxiety easily. I have a few tablets of this stuff. Do you think this would be ok if i am currently taking Piracetam and Oxiracetam? I know they both act on GABA also.

Thoughts?[/quote]

I have had some good success using inositol to counteract anxiety when I get overstimulated from tyrosine…it works better than l-theanine. I remember reading that inositol binds to the benzodiazapine receptors. 250 mgs works well for me, but some people may require several grams

Hey Duddy. 150mg of oxi is not enough for me to feel a difference but it should have the same effects - just measurably less.
If I were you, I would keep the oxi for heavy revision sessions only take 200/300mg every hour or so because of the short half-life.
I can’t comment much on the pira, but it’s a lower dose than most take. If it works for you, though, fantastic!

I think it was you who was taking an all-in-one supplement, making the doses are impossible to control. After you’ve finished what you have left, may I suggest either purchasing your own powders, or wait for a specially formulated one to come out… :wink:

-Rowesk

[quote]duddy wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
OK so I have followed Dukes recommendation to try some bacopa monnieri.

I also went a little overboard on ymorder of nootropics and bought:

1 x Acetyl-L-Carnitine Powder (75 grams)
1 x DMAE Powder (100 grams)
1 x Choline Citrate (100 grams)
1 x Chocamine Powder (100 grams)
1 x Idebenone (60 Capsules/45 mg)
1 x Bacopa Monnieri (20%) Powder (75 grams)
2 x Aniracetam Powder (30 grams)
1 x GABA Powder (100 grams

Particularly looking forward to the aniracetam and the bacopa.

Bushy

what did you think of the chocamine?
[/quote]

I’ve actually two separate experiences with Chocamine and I have to say that I really like it. It seems to elevate my mood pretty well and both times that was pretty significant as I was (and currently am) doing a low-carb diet. I find that I’m not as cranky as I would normally be when on a low-carb diet.

Plus the chocolate burp aftertaste isn’t bad. :slight_smile:

[quote]roweski wrote:
Hey Duddy. 150mg of oxi is not enough for me to feel a difference but it should have the same effects - just measurably less.
If I were you, I would keep the oxi for heavy revision sessions only take 200/300mg every hour or so because of the short half-life.
I can’t comment much on the pira, but it’s a lower dose than most take. If it works for you, though, fantastic!

I think it was you who was taking an all-in-one supplement, making the doses are impossible to control. After you’ve finished what you have left, may I suggest either purchasing your own powders, or wait for a specially formulated one to come out… :wink:

-Rowesk[/quote]

I’m very sensitive to drugs. Too much of oxi makes me edgy and depressed. With what I’m doing now is not much but I can still feel it. That’s kind of what I was going for. I also capped everything on my own from powders.

[quote]AngryVader wrote:
duddy wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
OK so I have followed Dukes recommendation to try some bacopa monnieri.

I also went a little overboard on ymorder of nootropics and bought:

1 x Acetyl-L-Carnitine Powder (75 grams)
1 x DMAE Powder (100 grams)
1 x Choline Citrate (100 grams)
1 x Chocamine Powder (100 grams)
1 x Idebenone (60 Capsules/45 mg)
1 x Bacopa Monnieri (20%) Powder (75 grams)
2 x Aniracetam Powder (30 grams)
1 x GABA Powder (100 grams

Particularly looking forward to the aniracetam and the bacopa.

Bushy

what did you think of the chocamine?

I’ve actually two separate experiences with Chocamine and I have to say that I really like it. It seems to elevate my mood pretty well and both times that was pretty significant as I was (and currently am) doing a low-carb diet. I find that I’m not as cranky as I would normally be when on a low-carb diet.

Plus the chocolate burp aftertaste isn’t bad. :)[/quote]

I too like chocamine. Just not too much! I get way over stimmed. The whey that i have (ON natural) has a ton a cocoa in it and 2 scoops of that does the trick. I have a very bright and positive mood. The stims in it last longer so they build in me. I also can’t drink it before bed because its that strong (or im that weak).

[quote]middleageguy wrote:
duddy wrote:
Can anyone give me any info on brain function clonazepam?

clonazepam is believed to act by simulating the action of GABA on the central nervous system. Because of strong anxiolytic properties and euphoric side-effects it is said to be among the class of ‘highly potent’ benzodiazepines. Although benzodiazepines are invaluable in the treatment of anxiety disorders, they have some potential for misuse and may cause dependence or addiction.

The sedative effects of clonazepam are relatively weak, compared to its strong anxiolytic and anticonvulsant effects. One milligram of clonazepam is approximately equivalent to twenty milligrams of diazepam. [1]

I am in speech class and I have anxiety and get anxiety easily. I have a few tablets of this stuff. Do you think this would be ok if i am currently taking Piracetam and Oxiracetam? I know they both act on GABA also.

Thoughts?

I have had some good success using inositol to counteract anxiety when I get overstimulated from tyrosine…it works better than l-theanine. I remember reading that inositol binds to the benzodiazapine receptors. 250 mgs works well for me, but some people may require several grams[/quote]

i’ve heard that. im going to look into it more.

[quote]London Runner wrote:
duddy wrote:
I’m only taking 600 mg’s of pira and 150 mg of oxi a day.

I thought the dose for Oxi was 800mg. I might be wrong.

LR[/quote]

youre right, im just a lightweight ;]

[quote]duddy wrote:
London Runner wrote:
duddy wrote:
I’m only taking 600 mg’s of pira and 150 mg of oxi a day.

I thought the dose for Oxi was 800mg. I might be wrong.

LR

youre right, im just a lightweight ;][/quote]

If it’s working for you at 150mg, it doesn’t matter right?!

LR

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Blimey! Sounds like chocamine isn’t the plum pudding I thought it was. Or should that be ‘turkey’? I’m mixing my metaphors…

It never seemed to do a thing for me TBH, but I’m glad you guys like it.

BBB[/quote]

also another note on chocamine… it dehydrates me faster then a thousand cups of coffee.

I got a couple hundred gams of chocamine when MP started selling it on the cheap, and I can’t say I notice much from it.

I didn’t keep it in a regular regime but might give it another shot since everyone seems to like it.

What kind of doses are you guys taking?

-Rowesk

Edit: Frick. Turns out I bought Theobromine, not Chocomine… No wonder it was so damned cheap!
I do fancy trying it out though, so maybe someone could fill me in on their preferred dosage… :slight_smile:

Test post to see if four pages of posts are still missing.

[quote]duddy wrote:
middleageguy wrote:
duddy wrote:
Can anyone give me any info on brain function clonazepam?

clonazepam is believed to act by simulating the action of GABA on the central nervous system. Because of strong anxiolytic properties and euphoric side-effects it is said to be among the class of ‘highly potent’ benzodiazepines. Although benzodiazepines are invaluable in the treatment of anxiety disorders, they have some potential for misuse and may cause dependence or addiction.

The sedative effects of clonazepam are relatively weak, compared to its strong anxiolytic and anticonvulsant effects. One milligram of clonazepam is approximately equivalent to twenty milligrams of diazepam. [1]

I am in speech class and I have anxiety and get anxiety easily. I have a few tablets of this stuff. Do you think this would be ok if i am currently taking Piracetam and Oxiracetam? I know they both act on GABA also.

Thoughts?

I have had some good success using inositol to counteract anxiety when I get overstimulated from tyrosine…it works better than l-theanine. I remember reading that inositol binds to the benzodiazapine receptors. 250 mgs works well for me, but some people may require several grams

i’ve heard that. im going to look into it more.[/quote]

That absolutely works well(using inositol to counterattack any over stimulation/anxiety with tyrosine)

I take a B complex vitamin with inositol in it.

I can down 6g of tyrosine a day no problem.

Doesn’t work with caffeine though