I added a little tyrosine to my stack, every 2 or 3 days…any more than that seems to stay in my system and cause insomnia.
FWIW I’ve had success with Vinpo, Choline, Oxiracetam and Piracetam (and Spike of course).
I’ve been taking a combo of vinpo, choline and one of the racetams whenever I feel I need the boost - i.e. midterms and finals. Recently I think the stack helped me out with my LSAT. I really should get in the habit of taking them all the time because the clarity can be wonderful.
[quote]middleageguy wrote:
I added a little tyrosine to my stack, every 2 or 3 days…any more than that seems to stay in my system and cause insomnia.[/quote]
When do you take it and how much do you take?
I take 3g first thing in the A.M (Power Drive)
Sometimes it gives me anxiety. Sometimes it doesn’t. I definitely can’t combine it with caffeine.
Effects are great though - I have incredible mind body focus and determination.
But it’s never affected my sleep.
As soon as I wake up in the morning is when I take it. I have spoken before about a somewhat different delivery method: I open up a tyrosine/B-6 capsule, take a pinch and put it inside my upper lip on the gums area, the blood vessels there take it quickly to the brain.
(I have heard that some cokeheads use cocaine this way.) I can’t do this with caffeine, a couple of expressos with this will make me crazy!
[quote]middleageguy wrote:
As soon as I wake up in the morning is when I take it. I have spoken before about a somewhat different delivery method: I open up a tyrosine/B-6 capsule, take a pinch and put it inside my upper lip on the gums area, the blood vessels there take it quickly to the brain.
(I have heard that some cokeheads use cocaine this way.) I can’t do this with caffeine, a couple of expressos with this will make me crazy![/quote]
Right. Caffeine and Tyrosine work in synergy. For someone who has no issues with stims, I would say that they are a knock out combination. Not for me though.
But why do it that way? Tyrosine is highly bio available when take orally. Really no need to go the sub lingual route.
I understand faster absorption. But heck, take it on an empty stomach first thing in the A.M, and it does it’s work petty quick.
I want the desired amount of tyrosine to get to my brain, and not to the rest of my body. This way I don’t have to take so much of it. I don’t know, maybe its an irrational precautionary thing with me:
I read somewhere that tyrosine can feed certain types of cancer cells, and both my parents died of cancer. Don’t get me wrong, I am in excellent health, bloodwork, PSA, everythings great. But its a precautionary thing with me.
Research suggest that Omega 3s can improve brain function
Fish oilzzzzzzzzzzzz
and Nuts.
[quote]FaPsTER wrote:
Research suggest that Omega 3s can improve brain function
Fish oilzzzzzzzzzzzz
and Nuts.
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Uh, I suggest you read the thread, we have mentioned fish oil about a billion times.
No disrespect - Its full of good info and I think your missing out
Hey guys,
We’ve talked a little on this subject here. But I wanted to bring it up again.
And again, this is a thread about nootropics, so lets keep it nootropic related, not other merits such as legality and yada yada…there are other threads for it.
Some have mentioned about marijuana, and its detrimental affects on cognitive performance.
Now don’t get me wrong. On exam day I’m not walking into class lit up like a x-mas tree.
But as far as cognitive performance goes, I have continued to puff, and i just don’t see the negative effects. Not at all. Now I’m not an all day smoker, just a casual. But i actually find that it enhances my thought processes at times and stimulates creative thought and creativity in general.
Someone help me out here. I’m just trying to figure out how its detrimental to the cognitive process. i understand that actual smoke can be a carcinogen and a hindrance, but if its actual smoke that is a problem and not the ingredients(THC), then there are ways around that(oral use, vaporizer).
Hey I’m not trying to propagate anything on anyone, just curious to hear others opinions who know more about the subject than i do. I could very well be talking out of my ass here.
I too puff, but might have to quit for an upcoming job drug test.
The big negative I see is short-term memory, and your mind being distracted (not a bad thing), but you start one task, then start another task before you finish the last one. You smokers know what I’m talking about.
It’s funny though because a lot of my buddies that don’t smoke have worse memories than me, we’ll be talking about an old college story and they have no recollection or remember it slanted than it really was.
I think the problem is for those who wake and bake and smoke all day long, get high for work, etc. If you smoke a joint at the end of the day the cognitive decline will be to a minimal, unless you are a rocket scientist, which weed smokers usually are far from. In that case you take a great nootropic stack to combat the brain fog!
Back to tests and recall, there is something in psychology called state-dependant learning meaning if you were to study sober, take the test sober you would do good. Study stoned, take the test stoned your recall should be good, but if you study stoned then take test sober or vice versa your recall wouldn’t be as good. Keep that in mind students.
Back in my college days though there were times where I couldn’t get a problem, I would light up and I saw the problem a different way and figured it out, BRILLIANT! So there is definately something to creativity and ways of thinking that is discounted too much.
My main problem with it is social, not cognitive. I get anti-social towards people I don’t know if I’m out, so I keep it a nightly ritual to relax the mind. A related topic would be, what is the ultimate nootropic stack to eleviate marijuana use issues. I’ve heard piracetam which works well, I just need to cap more dammit. Any other thoughts?
[quote]
My main problem with it is social, not cognitive. I get anti-social towards people I don’t know if I’m out, so I keep it a nightly ritual to relax the mind. A related topic would be, what is the ultimate nootropic stack to eleviate marijuana use issues. I’ve heard piracetam which works well, I just need to cap more dammit. Any other thoughts?[/quote]
Interesting. I become even more social on it. New creative thoughts and ideas flow, and I feel the urge to talk to anyone and everyone.
As long as I look fine(eyedrops are key) I never get worried/paranoid. I tend to be fine.
Dosage is key. Just like any herb/drug/vitamin, you need to feel out the correct amount you need. Just like X amount of a racetram really boosts cognition, too much will lead to problems. I think THC is similar…
State-dependent learning is state-dependent bullshit! If it’s in there, it’s in there! You just have to find it… =P
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Well I think it’s pretty much been answered already, but I’ll gove my opinion on da weed.
Yes it can enhance creative ‘blue sky’ thinking and I have had some of my best ideas whilst lightly stoned, but it’s absolutely no good for actual study, IMO.
Mind you, I had a college friend who would study for an exam with a fat reefer in his hand, and get 60% regularly. He was a bright boy though.
‘State dependant learning’ would dictate that if you study stoned, you need to be stoned to recall the facts you studied.
BBB[/quote]
Interesting Bushy. Thanks for chiming in.
I have been diagnosed with mild ADD. In addition to Concerta (18 mg for a month, 36 mg for a month, per day), I am thinking of adding Adrafinil. I have some left over Provigil that I’ll take until the Adrafinil arrives.
My co-pay on the Provigil is actually now more than the cost of the Adrafinil. Go figure.
Any conflicts in any of this, those of you with experience/knowledge?
Oh, I also take Vinpo, 3 caps/day.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I have been diagnosed with mild ADD. In addition to Concerta (18 mg for a month, 36 mg for a month, per day), I am thinking of adding Adrafinil. I have some left over Provigil that I’ll take until the Adrafinil arrives.
My co-pay on the Provigil is actually now more than the cost of the Adrafinil. Go figure.
Any conflicts in any of this, those of you with experience/knowledge?
Oh, I also take Vinpo, 3 caps/day.[/quote]
LEF has a great write up for ADHD. I would get it a read.
attention_deficit_hyperactivity_01.htm
I just bought this product the other day:
should be coming in on friday and i’ll start it monday morning (being shipped to work and i’m off the rest of the week).
after reading this thread for a while there were so many choices with pretty good reviews and benefits…this seems to have a whole bunch of the stuff ya’ll have been talking about.
not sure if i should leave it out at work though; people might think i’m retarded or something.
“I take these so I can be smart like yous peoples!”
That’s quite a combo pill there. Yea it has just about everything…
The only question is do you need to only take 1 per day or more to get good effects? I can see where it may become pricey…
[quote]duddy wrote:
dude you need to try pira. im taking like sixth of a regular dose a day and its still amazing! and its really really helping my social anxiety a lot. i also think you should keep your brain drugs to yourself,
i know i dont want to be called a cheater… and plus it just makes you look better with out them knowing ;]
hows the Power Drive working out for you? any anxiety issues from the tya?[/quote]
Duddy,
You still taking Pira? The new semester is a mere week away, and I’m looking to gear up on Noops again. I’ve been off for over a week now for a break. I started Noops pretty late in the semester, so I’m really curious to see how this semester runs because I will have started at the beginning.
Starting next week I will be running
Power Drive x 1
Vinpo 10mg x 3
DMAE 250mg x 1
Thinking about adding maybe huperizine or piracetram
Im also adding in a B complex vitamin and switching fish oils to Krill Oil
[quote]B rocK wrote:
I just bought this product the other day:
should be coming in on friday and i’ll start it monday morning (being shipped to work and i’m off the rest of the week).
after reading this thread for a while there were so many choices with pretty good reviews and benefits…this seems to have a whole bunch of the stuff ya’ll have been talking about.
not sure if i should leave it out at work though; people might think i’m retarded or something.
“I take these so I can be smart like yous peoples!”[/quote]
I wonder though about dosages, if they will be high enough
That product is like a jack of all trades, master of none.
I would much rather have a higher dose of Vinpo, DMAE and maybe a racetram.