That product looks pretty good. Some of the ratios are even similar to what I currently take.
That said however, it only looks like 15 days worth to me…
Let us know how it goes 
-Rowesk
Great thread guys, very interesting read.
I’ve been using nootropics for bout 4 months now. Started using Vinpo for @ 2x10 mg daily for about a month. Did not notice much of anything, except for a very very mild headache.
After that I tried Piracetam @ 3x2.8gr daily with 3x0.8gr choline. Did not feel more focused, however I did notice my memory improved a lot after some time.
Having been on vacation for a month I laid of the Piracetam for a while. Starting work again on monday, I’m thinking of starting this stack:
DHA 2000mg 4 x 500mg
D3 4000IU 2 x 2000IU
Piracetam 8400mg 3 x 2.8g
Vinpo 30mg 3 x 10mg
DMAE 1 x 250 mg
Choline 1500mg 3 x 500mg
Oxi 800mg 2 x 400mg
Any thoughts? Maybe I should add some b12?
Also used Geranamine(1,3-Dimethylamylamine) for a while, gave me great amounts of energy without the crash I seem to get with caffeine. Worked excellent as an appetite suppressor. However I seem to have gained a tolerance for it. Doesn’t work nearly as well as it used to. Been taking it for about 3 months, dosage ranging from 50 to 100mg. Usually off during the weekends. Anybody got similar experiences?
[quote]rbks wrote:
Great thread guys, very interesting read.
I’ve been using nootropics for bout 4 months now. Started using Vinpo for @ 2x10 mg daily for about a month. Did not notice much of anything, except for a very very mild headache.
After that I tried Piracetam @ 3x2.8gr daily with 3x0.8gr choline. Did not feel more focused, however I did notice my memory improved a lot after some time.
Having been on vacation for a month I laid of the Piracetam for a while. Starting work again on monday, I’m thinking of starting this stack:
DHA 2000mg 4 x 500mg
D3 4000IU 2 x 2000IU
Piracetam 8400mg 3 x 2.8g
Vinpo 30mg 3 x 10mg
DMAE 1 x 250 mg
Choline 1500mg 3 x 500mg
Oxi 800mg 2 x 400mg
Any thoughts? Maybe I should add some b12?
Also used Geranamine(1,3-Dimethylamylamine) for a while, gave me great amounts of energy without the crash I seem to get with caffeine. Worked excellent as an appetite suppressor. However I seem to have gained a tolerance for it. Doesn’t work nearly as well as it used to. Been taking it for about 3 months, dosage ranging from 50 to 100mg. Usually off during the weekends. Anybody got similar experiences? [/quote]
That looks like an awesome stack.
I would dump the DMAE and Choline and just use Power Drive - The extra Tyrosine and B-6 should be of benefit.
Might want to add in a B complex vitamin.
Thats quite a bit of Pira. I think considering all the other ingredients you have, 4800mg should suffice.
And I would avoid caffeine. Any issues I have ever had with over stimulation with any noop I have always found a trail that lead back to combining it with caffeine, either earlier or later in the day. Remember, many noops are residual in nature.
Yes, the consensus from the previous pages, I believe somewhere in the 40 - 49 threads, was that geranamine kicks ass, but one develops a tolerance to it.
How to cycle it, I don’t know. Maybe 2 weeks on/2 weeks off, but that is purely speculative. Bushy would know
[quote]roweski wrote:
I had the same experience from G’mine. I developed a tolerance and now reserve it for special occasions. Many people seem to be non-responders. I guess it’s just down to personal experience…
I agree with what Wise Guy has said, but I would work your way up from the lowest dosages, increasing one component at a time. Make sure you keep vinpo on since this increases blood flow to all areas of the brain, transporting all the other good stuff you’re taking to the hard-to-reach areas.
One other thought; the oxi I would save for tough revision sessions as it seems to over stimulate me unless combined in a roughly 2:1 ratio with aniracetam [600:300 ani:oxi seems to do just fine :] or bacopa, which has a calming effect, also.
-Rowesk
P.s. i’ve never had a problem with caffeine. I’m experimenting with nicotine patches still and the effects are pretty good. I’ve actually noticed some pretty effective fat loss too, as well as some cognitive improvement. [/quote]
Bacopa! I totally forgot that one. I dig its anti-anxiety properties too. Another great natural herb based product with little or no downsides.
Do you find that G’mines benefits are immediate - day of use?
Your right - Most people are totally fine on caffeine. Just doesn’t work for me.
I dig nicotine as well. It has some solid mild anti-estrogen properties to it as well, which is great for water retention and weight loss as well.
I think it kicks butt too for an immediate, cheap cognitive boost. I find that I need to have some tolerance though before popping nicotine gum before a test - generally I will use the 2mg gum twice a day 2 days prior to a test, and right on day of. If I take it after being cold turkey, the mild buzz can get in the way.
Again, your mileage will vary.
Semester is a week in. The vinpo + DMAE is kicking, the Power Drive is rockin, and the words flow smooth and fast. Quick one liners fly out and energy in the classroom is back. Its so good to come back to something after you have cycled off for awhile.
Anyone have any experience with piracetram, or any other product, from 1fast400?
[quote]Wise Guy wrote:
Anyone have any experience with piracetram, or any other product, from 1fast400? [/quote]
I haven’t used any brain function boosters from 1fast400, but I’ve had good results with other bulk powders they sell.
Wiseguy - G’mine only affects me now if it’s taken very occasionally, so yeah it’s pretty much just a ‘one day’ drug. [at least that’s what I think you’re asking. It’s still early :p]
1fast are fantastic… unless you live outside the US. I’ve had packages sent via deutsche poste that have taken two months…
-Rowesk
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Wise Guy wrote:
Semester is a week in. The vinpo + DMAE is kicking, the Power Drive is rockin, and the words flow smooth and fast. Quick one liners fly out and energy in the classroom is back. Its so good to come back to something after you have cycled off for awhile.
Anyone have any experience with piracetram, or any other product, from 1fast400?
The 1fast products are sold through BN, correct? Well I have lots of tubs with the 1fast logo on, which came from BN, so that must be the case. They all seem to be competent at doing their job, which is all that can be asked I suppose.
Regarding your stack, I hate to not see aniracetam (or pira at least) in there, since it’s my belief that to truly enhance your memory, you need that cross-hemisphere communication.
Also, for those taking DMAE and choline, I say, don’t bother reordering the choline, since it’s absorbtion and ability to cross the BBB is limited at best, whilst DMAE freely crosses the BBB and is readily synthesised into acetylcholine in the brain.
BBB[/quote]
Thanks for the heads up Bushy. I seen 1fast400 piracetam on amazon, free shipping on orders over 25, so I think I will probably jump on it.
I noticed a lot of you guys are in your 30s or older, is there anyone using nooptronics that’s in their 20s?
I’ve just only come across this thread and read a bit of it. I’ve got a few professional exams coming and need some help.
I haven’t studied for a while and can’t seem to concentrate much anymore and my memory retention is bad.
I’ve ordered some DMAE and am thinking of getting some Vinpocetine.
Is there anything else you guys can recommend for a starting stack? I’m 25 if that helps.
Thanks,
LR
Guys,
Apologies in advance because I’m sure I missed this somewhere in the thread, but does fatigue eventually become a factor with racetams?
If I was stacking pira with vinpo and putting in long days for a period of about 7 weeks, would that work well without additional elements?
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Aniracetam. Definitely.
Hey, I could swap you some aniracetam caps for something if you like. I can always use some Spike… 
BBB[/quote]
How many, for how many?
edit: what are the dosage for these? Still the same as the Oxiracetam (800mg) more/less? What site are you ordering these from?
I have no intention of going around you, I don’t mind the swap, I just need to know it’s an even deal.
LR
anybody have any success with these two compounds?
Pyritinol:
Description
Pyritinol (pyridoxine disulfide) is one of the most potent and oldest nootropics available. In use worldwide since 1961!
Neurochemical Effects
* Increases the brain's electrical firing rate (Faster reaction time, mental processing, comprehension, and understanding)
* Boosts Glucose Metabolism (Mental Energy & Focus)
* Raises cGMP levels (cerebralvascular support)
* Activates cholinergenic system (supports memory)
Picamilon:
-Description-
Picamilon (N-Nicotinoyl GABA) is a powerful derivative of GABA & Niacin created in Russia. Unlike GABA it rapidly and effectively penetrates the blood brain barrier using a special niacin analog carrier providing potent GABAgeric effects on the brain. Picamilon is unique in that is can be stimulating and relaxing at the same time. It is the ultimate Physical/Mental Restorer.
-Neurochemical Effects-
- GABA Modulator [Normalizes GABA A receptor activity]
(Supports Stress, Anxiety, Focus, Physical & Mental energy )
- Cerebral Blood Flow [Tones cerebral vessels] (Mental energy/Alertness support)
-Dose-
Take 50-300 mg daily.
[quote]Wise Guy wrote:
duddy wrote:
dude you need to try pira. im taking like sixth of a regular dose a day and its still amazing! and its really really helping my social anxiety a lot. i also think you should keep your brain drugs to yourself,
i know i dont want to be called a cheater… and plus it just makes you look better with out them knowing ;]
hows the Power Drive working out for you? any anxiety issues from the tya?
Duddy,
You still taking Pira? The new semester is a mere week away, and I’m looking to gear up on Noops again. I’ve been off for over a week now for a break. I started Noops pretty late in the semester, so I’m really curious to see how this semester runs because I will have started at the beginning.
Starting next week I will be running
Power Drive x 1
Vinpo 10mg x 3
DMAE 250mg x 1
Thinking about adding maybe huperizine or piracetram
Im also adding in a B complex vitamin and switching fish oils to Krill Oil
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I start class monday, so ill be picking the pira and oxi up again starting tomorrow (sunday). im going to stay on the low side dosage wise with those two. but im also taking as of right now:
half tab of Caffeine-Free Spike
30 mg vinpo
100 mcg hup a (might bump to 200)
15 cod liver oil caps
500 mg gotu kola
b vits
extra gram of b5
2 grams choline citrate (will take more when i start pira/oxi)
5 grams creatine mono
100 mg Q10
1 gram magnesium split into 4 dosages
I stopped DMAE and ALCAR because they make me foggy. tried both on separate occasions. im feeling pretty good on this stack right now.
Bushy,
how bout an update with your stack?
London Runner-
I’m 24. I’ve tried some of this stuff, and here’s what works nicely for me, and what doesn’t, in terms of quicker thinking, better memory and recall, and ability to endure my current high study-load.
Vinpo- got to get it. I’ve found 4 caps 3x daily is right for me.
Piracetam- I have this 3x daily with b-vitamin in water
DMAE- good stuff
Tyrosine (though avoid with high doses of caffeine- can get a bit aggy, and heart rate goes mental)
Alpha GPC- very good focus
Creatine- you know this man
Vitamin d3- good (I don’t get to see the sun too much at present)
I’ve found no benefit with choline citrate (and it stinks far worse than scampi fries)
Recently, postgrad classmates have asked stuff like ‘how do you remember all this stuff’ and so on. It’s a very real edge, for me at least.