Hi Wise Guy,
The bottle has it listed as 100-200mg up to 3 times per day (not to exceed 600mg). I was under the impression that 100mg would be plenty, but that might not be the case. . .
Phenylpiracetam day #2
As stated in a previous post, today’s experiment was to possibly up the dose to 200mg (either 200mg when I start the day or 100mg with another 100mg 2 hours later).
I started the day with the usual breakfast (can you tell I am a creature of habit?). I followed this with the usual supplement intake (fish oil and vitamin D). It seemed like a good idea to me to start with the full 200mg all at once.
20 minutes post ingestion I did not notice any light headedness today. About 40 minutes post ingestion I did get the slight energy bump.
about 60 minutes post ingestion I had a slight craving for sugar, so I indulged it. This acted like a light switch almost. The energy spiked up a bit and the thoughts started flowing fast. This wasn’t the type of “thought overload” that I can get on some stimulants, but rather instant recall of info when I want it. This is an interesting turn of events as I have been watching my carb intake as of the past 6mos (not necessarily restricting, but watching).
6 hours post ingestion and I can still feel subtle effects. Overall this has not really met my expectations. I realize that this is pretty early in the game, but I don’t seem to be getting the bang for buck I get with the Adrafinil. Overall I am looking for a bit of a competitive edge in the workplace. While this does seem to be helping me, it cannot still hold a candle to the Adrafinil. Comparing these two compounds on price per pill, the Adrafinil wins. The Phenylpiracetam is relativley hard to come by, and is fairly pricy (for only 40x100mg).
If there is one thing that I have learned (from literature not personal experience), is that 'Racetams tend to have different effects for different people. Maybe this is one that doesn’t have a pronounced effect on me. Another point that I am concidering is that I am currently NOT co-supplementing with Choline. Does anyone think that this might make a signifigant difference? I have been hesitant to use the Choline as I thought that it might cause effects of its own. It seems that people have said that a headache may be an indicator of this. I have not had any headaches in the past 2 days.
Does anyone have a suggestion as to what type of choline I should be taking with this? Also, does anyone know if there is a cumulative effect with this 'racetam that I should be waiting for? Thanks
Peace,
Time to up that dose to 300mg.
Give it it’s due run.
Maybe its one of those compounds the body needs to build up on
Other boards I visit seem to say choline is a near must have with racetams. I don’t think it’s absolutely necessary, but it’s incredibly cheap (20$ for a kilo at BN). Racetams do seem to be considerably subjective, I personaly haven’t been very impressed with oxiracetam. I’ve only used it a few times so I’ll with hold any real judgment.
There is something to only implementing one supplement at a time, but with something this subjective already I don’t think it’s horribly important to look for objective results. If it’s an issue try choline alone for a while (again, it’s very cheap (2 cents a gram)) and then combine them.
I haven’t had too much to report on oxiracetam, but I’m holding out, and I’ve got a tub of piracetam sitting on my shelf. The end of this week I’ll get a tub of choline and vinpo and yohimbine hcl. I’m very excited to start a regimen of pira and choline with oxi once in a while thrown in.
My previous experiences on vinpo were terrible, but it was from a ‘formula’ supplement so I’m going to give it a try again. The other thing I tried was centrophenoxine. I’m not sure exactly what I was expecting from it, but after a month of a gram a day nothing was very noticeable. It doesn’t help that I’m a bit of a skeptic. I love this thread and hope people keep up the great posts.
take 5 g/day piracetam for a week or two and see how your head starts feeling… you will see why people say choline is a must.
So I read through some of this thread (obviously not all of it haha) and am mildly confused.
Mainly due to the names and dosages.
Can someone help me with something? I’m interested in helping my brain function and don’t know the best supplement to help.
I am looking for something to allow me to recall things because my memory isn’t what I would like it to be. I’m not old so I can’t say “it’s not like it used to” lol.
I have powerdrive, I take it pre-workout; and like it. Is that something that I should consider for daily intake? I read a bit about Vicoprene (probably spelled that wrong) and read conflicting information about it.
If someone could PM me that would be ideal.
Thanks in advance!
[quote]B rocK wrote:
So I read through some of this thread (obviously not all of it haha) and am mildly confused.
Mainly due to the names and dosages.
Can someone help me with something? I’m interested in helping my brain function and don’t know the best supplement to help.
I am looking for something to allow me to recall things because my memory isn’t what I would like it to be. I’m not old so I can’t say “it’s not like it used to” lol.
I have powerdrive, I take it pre-workout; and like it. Is that something that I should consider for daily intake? I read a bit about Vicoprene (probably spelled that wrong) and read conflicting information about it.
If someone could PM me that would be ideal.
Thanks in advance![/quote]
less then ideal but i believe you should start off with vinpocetine, DMAE (in powerdrive), choline (in powerdrive) and Huperzine A. As always Fish Oil is a must along with B Vits. Make sure to eat enough carbs for brain fuel when you are taking noops. Anything I missed guys?
I’m going start using Vinpo tomorrow, using just one in the morning then working up to 2 or 3 per day depending on how I feel. I usually wake around 7:00 am and was going to take my first Vinpo then.
I’ve been taking Power Drive for a while now pre-workout (I usually workout around 2-3 pm) and I’ve always liked it as it helps me focus during my workouts.
I’m curious if I should keep the Power Drive pre-workout or move it to post-workout. Is it okay to take a second Vinpo pre-workout with the Power Drive, or should I not take them both at the same time.
I also take Fish Oil and B-Complex.
Any experiences that anyone would like sharing regarding this would be appreciated.
[quote]AngryVader wrote:
working up to 2 or 3 per day… [/quote]
Just how many mg’s are in these caps, Vader?
[quote]
I’m curious if I should keep the Power Drive pre-workout or move it to post-workout. Is it okay to take a second Vinpo pre-workout with the Power Drive, or should I not take them both at the same time. [/quote]
In my experience it doesn’t really matter. I prefer to keep it pre- though to get maximal neural recruitment.
-Rowesk
Edit: I was talking about the Power Drive, but it’d be better to take the vinpo at the same time - if not before - as it would increases the blood flow to the brain, taking all those goodies from the Power Drive with it.
I just got my kilo of choline bitartrate, vinpocetine, and yohimbine hcl in the mail. I’m incredibly stoked and plan on spending the next hour or so throwing my oxiracetam, piracetam and choline into caps.
D3HT09, I’m not sure if you had already mentioned something about it, but I think phenylpiracetam is fat soluble and a lot of people have recomended taking some fats (fish oil sometimes) along with its consumption.
B rock, if you want to learn more about this stuff (in a less hectic format than this thread) try wikipedi-ing ‘nootropic’. It’s a pretty general introduction, but follow some of the hyperlinks and get a good feel for things.
Wiki might be an asshole suggestion, but there is plenty to read and it’s an expansive subject. There are many different places to start so decide for yourself.
Thanks for the info BBB and Roweski.
The Vinpo is 10 mg per capsule.
I’m really looking forward to trying these out considering the things I’ve read in this thread.
I sometimes feel like I have a general foggy feeling throughout the day and have difficulty focusing at work at times. I’m hoping trying out some noops breaks through that.
Hi forkknifespoon,
Yup, Phenylpiracetam is fat soluble. I am one of those people who preaches (probably too much) the values and necessity of fish oil supplementation.
The 2 supplements I will probably take until I die are Fish oil (good quality), and Vitamin D. I have taken these for quite a while now, and the overall improvments are astounding.
Sorry, that was a bit of a ramble. . .
To answer your question, I have been taking the vitamin D, fish oil and Phenyl- all at the same time after breakfast.
Peace,
[quote]AngryVader wrote:
I sometimes feel like I have a general foggy feeling throughout the day and have difficulty focusing at work at times. I’m hoping trying out some noops breaks through that.[/quote]
Since getting back to uni, I’ve had this even though my nootropic supplementation is pretty consistent and well rounded. I get >3 servings of fruit/veg per day, as well as a serving of a Superfood clone [sorry Big B]. 20g of fish oil, multi etc.
I’m leaning towards sleep apnea as the culprit.
I bought a memory-foam pillow [no curve to it] but it hasn’t seemed to help.
Do you know if you have apnea, AV?
-Rowesk
[quote]roweski wrote:
AngryVader wrote:
I sometimes feel like I have a general foggy feeling throughout the day and have difficulty focusing at work at times. I’m hoping trying out some noops breaks through that.
Since getting back to uni, I’ve had this even though my nootropic supplementation is pretty consistent and well rounded. I get >3 servings of fruit/veg per day, as well as a serving of a Superfood clone [sorry Big B]. 20g of fish oil, multi etc.
I’m leaning towards sleep apnea as the culprit.
I bought a memory-foam pillow [no curve to it] but it hasn’t seemed to help.
Do you know if you have apnea, AV?
-Rowesk[/quote]
I doubt it. I sleep pretty well for the most part. I rarely wake up during the night and I’m good about getting a consistent 7-8 hours nightly.
[quote]D3HT09 wrote:
…and Vitamin D. I have taken these for quite a while now, and the overall improvments are astounding.
Sorry, that was a bit of a ramble. . .
To answer your question, I have been taking the vitamin D, fish oil and Phenyl- all at the same time after breakfast.
Peace,[/quote]
I’ve wondered about vitamin D for a long time. I have never supplemented with it personally, and seem to read a lot of conflicting reports. There is a decent thread on imminst.org discussing it (would have linked to it, but their forums are down right now) What dose do you take it at, and what improvements have you noticed from it?
I am an easily distracted person and still have a busy mind when trying to go to sleep.
Not to mention I can go from sweet to bitch in a nanosecond.
any suggestions?
I keep reading the posts about Vinpo.
and does anyone have any opinions as to whether or not the aluminum from cookwear can cause Alzheimers?
Celeste
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
and does anyone have any opinions as to whether or not the aluminum from cookwear can cause Alzheimer’s?[/quote]
If I’m remembering this right, there was a study that said over 99% of orally administered aluminum was excreted. I don’t think it’s something to worry about, but if you have a family history of Alzheimer’s, you may want to take any necessary precautions. [Fish oil, centro, creatine etc]
-Rowesk