I think I’ve found a nice sweet spot
1/2 serving Power Drive
10mg Vinpo
150mg DMAE
Every morning with food.
No jitters, no stim’s, just smooth sailing. A nice, smooth stack.
[quote]Wise Guy wrote:
I think I’ve found a nice sweet spot
1/2 serving Power Drive
10mg Vinpo
150mg DMAE
Every morning with food.
No jitters, no stim’s, just smooth sailing. A nice, smooth stack. [/quote]
why not more Vinpo later in the day?
Indeed, why not more Vinpo throughout the day?
I have increased my dosage over time by adding a second dose at midday, and still another if needed around 5 p.m. if I forecast the day as a long or tough one, because some of my days can go on for almost 20 hours if things are running chaotic somehow. Sometimes I have to take my studying into the late hours, and the Vinpo paced throughout the day gives me a good even charge to see it out to the end with strength of mind. Try it out, I think you’ll dig it a lot.
[quote]djoh615893 wrote:
Indeed, why not more Vinpo throughout the day?
I have increased my dosage over time by adding a second dose at midday, and still another if needed around 5 p.m. if I forecast the day as a long or tough one, because some of my days can go on for almost 20 hours if things are running chaotic somehow. Sometimes I have to take my studying into the late hours, and the Vinpo paced throughout the day gives me a good even charge to see it out to the end with strength of mind. Try it out, I think you’ll dig it a lot.[/quote]
Hmmmmm, well you convinced me. Not that I ever needed any twisting of my arm to try anything for that matter.
A second 10mg dose starting tomorrow it is!
[quote]duddy wrote:
Rusty Barbell wrote:
Nope haven’t tried anything else. I would guess that the more potent but shorter acting ones might not be the same…
so do you think pira should be taken everyday?[/quote]
I thinks its always a good idea to cycle anything.
Perhaps you could run pira 8 - 12 weeks, then run a short 4 week cycle of something else…Perhaps Moda? Perhaps something more natural, like Power Drive + Vinpo for 4 weeks? Then restart?
Someone help me out here.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Adderal is a catecholamine (well. strongly stimulates the release of catacholamines in the body) which means that no matter how many calories you intake, your muscles will be receiving a catabolic signal, causing them to break down tissue, leaving you weaker.
BBB[/quote]
What would be the best way to counteract this breakdown of muscle from Adderall use? That is, besides taking breaks from it.
The best way would be to not take it at all. =P
[quote]Rusty Barbell wrote:
The best way would be to not take it at all. =P[/quote]
Yes. I got that.
But my sister and her kid need to take it just to be “normal”.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
THE_CLAMP_DOWN wrote:
Rusty Barbell wrote:
The best way would be to not take it at all. =P
Yes. I got that.
But my sister and her kid need to take it just to be “normal”.
Well I made some comments earlier about the need for adderal being largely erroneous and I still stick with that. Obviously I don’t know your sister or her kid, but I struggle to believe that any child needs pharmaceutical amphetamine to be ‘normal’. It may be too late for your sister, but how old is her child?
BBB[/quote]
Can you explain why the need for adderall may be erroneus?
Reading the book Change Your Brain, Change Your Life for myself made it seem like besides common self-help type prescriptions that drugs were most times needed.
I think he may be 12-13.
There’s a big problem in America right now with over prescribing of a few families of drugs. You could call it “a rage.” This especially includes the families of antidepressants and attention deficit disorder drugs. To a certain extent, both the media and drug companies are responsible for letting the contexts in which their drugs should be used get blown out of proportion. Prozac in the 80s got a TIME magazine cover and became all the rage, receiving millions of prescriptions but having very low rates of true success. This was largely a function of the media blowing its potential way out of proportion, and then every sad person went to their doctor asking for it. Of course not all doctors say yes, but the ones who want to keep their rich families of multiple patients do.
The problems extend multiple ways. One is that many doctors have been brainwashed by the rampant publications and trials and believe that these drugs are some type of miracle drug that can fix anyone who thinks they are depressed or have trouble paying attention to something. Then due to their addictive properties, especially adderall or ritalin, the patients get hooked on the drug and while it may make them act differently, they probably just want to keep seeing the doctor and telling him it helps because they are secretly high all the time.
As BBB said, we don’t know your family so it’s hard to say if they really need it, or would benefit even more from alternative therapies. But the fact is prozac turns you into an emotionless, sex-drive-less zombie and adderall is addictive, dramatically suppresses appetite, makes you lose weight & muscle and is bad for your heart among other things. Long-term use of these substances is just not very healthy and probably does more harm than good. Unfortunately, these two families of drugs (anti-ADD and antidepressants) have only been around since the 80s (as prescribed drugs for a condition anyways) and the true long-term effects of them are just beginning to emerge as people that have been taking them since then will start to produce data that either supports or disables the notion that they can safely be used by people without harmful side effects. Unfortunately, I suspect long-term muscular dystrophy & heart complications to emerge from many adderall users, and especially the abusers.
I have known many people in college who are prescribed to adderall that if I were a doctor and they asked me for it, I would laugh in their face and tell them to stop complaining and try working hard instead of looking for a drug as the easy way out. Most of these people are out of shape, take no action to help their physical condition and need to rethink their work ethic about a lot of things before popping pills because they think they have ADD and need to see the family doctor to get some pills for it.
All in all, it is a problem, largely reflected upon by the issues surrounding pharmaceutical companies, the media and the nostalgia that is associated with a company making a drug that could “cure all people with a condition.” It gets blown out of proportion, whether the pharm. company wants it to or not, and in the end you see overprescribing and unintelligent prescribing taking place throughout our large country.
[quote]THE_CLAMP_DOWN wrote:
Rusty Barbell wrote:
The best way would be to not take it at all. =P
Yes. I got that.
But my sister and her kid need to take it just to be “normal”.[/quote]
This should help tremendously.
I cannot speak enough for the effectiveness of it.
Ok so I am about 2 weeks in
1/2 Serving Power Drive
150mg DMAE
10 mg Vinpo twice daily
So yesterday I’m out disk golfing in the woods. And it was the strangest thing. But it was like my hearing was strangely more in tune. It was like the regular clutter was filtered out, and my hearing was super sharp. I could “sense” the smallest noises/movements.
So thats my first report back. More to come as I notice.
[quote]Wise Guy wrote:
Ok so I am about 2 weeks in
1/2 Serving Power Drive
150mg DMAE
10 mg Vinpo twice daily
So yesterday I’m out disk golfing in the woods. And it was the strangest thing. But it was like my hearing was strangely more in tune. It was like the regular clutter was filtered out, and my hearing was super sharp. I could “sense” the smallest noises/movements.
So thats my first report back. More to come as I notice.
[/quote]
Awesome stuff! You are aware that Power Drive has DMAE in it already? Did you start each supplement on its own or did you start them all at the same time? If you started then on its own… what did you notice from the DMAE?
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
THE_CLAMP_DOWN wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
THE_CLAMP_DOWN wrote:
Rusty Barbell wrote:
I take it you didn’t read the adderal discussion on the previous page 
?
Cut’n’paste from that:
Well here are some thoughts (thanks Renton) on ADHD that I generally agree with:
Is ADHD a biochemical imbalance? No. In November 1998 the federal government of the United States of America reported there was no evidence to support the proposition that ADHD was a biological brain dysfunction (NIH, 1998).
In the abscence of a biological basis for hyperactivity disorders, there is no clinical rationale for drugging children and teenagers with amphetamines. When children are given amphetamines, this is for purposes of social control. Misrepresenting social control as a clinical intervention is health fascism (Baldwin & Anderson, 2000)
Should ADHD be treated with psychostimulants, including methylphenidate (MPH)? No. The diagnosis of ADHD is based on observations about the behaviour of children and teenagers, not on scientific biochemical markers such as blood analysis, genetic screening or metabolic tests.
There are no reliable scientific criteria for an ADHD diagnosis. Judgements are made by parents, teachers and medical personnel using unreliable and invalid checklists.
In the UK many children have been given a blind diagnosis (i.e. via the internet or by telephone) by paediatricians, psychiatrists and educational psychologists who have not even completed clinical interview (Baldwin & Anderson, 2000).
When these so called experts are presented with the evidence of hyperactivity disorders they are unable to recognise it reliably. Economic self interests (e.g. Parents being charged exorbitant fees for supposed advice and interventions) have prevailed over clinical science.
There is no scientific evidence for drugging minors with MPH, as no adequate dataset (i.e. randomised controlled trials or double blind studies) has ever been published in international refereed journals.
Many of the researchers in the recent MTA study were funded by the drug industry. All the evidence from 45 years of research with MPH has confirmed its toxicity, it’s potential for pure outright addiction and the high probability of irreversible side effects when prescribed to infants, juveniles and teenagers.
Reference
Anderson, R. & Baldwin, S. (2000) What’s in a name? Amphetamine and methylphenidate. Journal of Substance Use, 5, 89-91
My own thoughts are that MPH/ritalin etc use is nothing more than a ‘chemical cosh’ to control the disruptive behaviour of children who are the product of incompetent parenting.
BBB
EDIT: I wrote this a age earlier and I’m sorry if I sound like I’m calling your sister an incompetent parent, but to say that I don’t believe the words I typed about a week ago, would make me a liar and a hypocrite.
Having said this, I don’t actually have any children, so I could be full of shit.[/quote]
Yes, My bad.. I guess I read past this gem bout adderall.
This 10 year old article that is pasted here is pretty much bullshit and part of the old-thinking. Ever hear of SPECT (single photon emission computed tomography)?
“A SPECT scan is a type of nuclear imaging test, which means it uses a radioactive substance and a special camera to create pictures of your organs. While imaging tests such as X-rays can show what the structures inside your body look like, a SPECT scan produces three-dimensional images that show how your organs work. For instance, a SPECT scan can show blood flows to your heart or what areas of your brain are more active or less active.”
Basically it shows , when people with ADD try to focus or concentrate, their pre frontal cortex shuts off. = activity actually decreases. Research your pre frontal cortex (its pretty important).
I agree, in the past, ritalin may have been handed out more readily, but this doesnt disprove that people today and in the past had huge fuckups with their brain. and it doesnt just stop with ADD, a lot of people have over or underactive deep limbic systems, temporal lobe, cingulate systems, basal ganglia that contribute to depression, manic anxiety or agression that need medication. I know 3 people personally with ADD, one with OCD, and 1 that has permenantly damaged pre frontal lobes from West Nile. I see these effects and so I call bullshit when you say “incompetent parenting”.
[quote]Rusty Barbell wrote:
I have known many people in college who are prescribed to adderall that if I were a doctor and they asked me for it, I would laugh in their face and tell them to stop complaining and try working hard instead of looking for a drug as the easy way out. Most of these people are out of shape, take no action to help their physical condition and need to rethink their work ethic about a lot of things before popping pills because they think they have ADD and need to see the family doctor to get some pills for it.
[/quote]
"work harder. Just try concentrating more, man. Comon…focus! Why cant you set goals? You are so impulsive man. You are fucking lazy… what is wrong with you??
“I have ADD”
“ADD?!!?. Thats all in your head”
“exactly”
[quote]Wise Guy wrote:
duddy wrote:
I thinks its always a good idea to cycle anything.
Perhaps you could run pira 8 - 12 weeks, then run a short 4 week cycle of something else…Perhaps Moda? Perhaps something more natural, like Power Drive + Vinpo for 4 weeks? Then restart?
Someone help me out here. [/quote]
I don’t see the merit in cycling Vinpo, really. If I’m wrong, let me know.
Vinpo, from what I understand, is an ED supplement that becomes successful through continuous and consistent use. My experience now from several months of use is that consistancy is the key to reaping the full effects of use, and I have been noticing a constant increase in concentration, uptake, retention, and recall. I just got done teaching 9 weeks of law enforcement skills, and every week I noticed better recall and fluidity even under high stress and sleep deprivation (Monday sucks ass for me).
Like I said, if there is something tangible that proves me wrong, please make it known. We all would benefit from the knowledge.
Phenibut- Everything I’ve looked up indicated that cycling is not only beneficial but necessary due to the way it operates. One mention stated “two weeks use, with two weeks off”. Anyone find anything better? I find it very valuable and am not keen on the idea of two weeks off of it. Is a 5/2 cycle decent, or am I being too hopeful?
Aniracetam- Use only when studying, or daily use? I’m finding statements indicating both.
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Aniracetam- Use only when studying, or daily use? I’m finding statements indicating both.[/quote]
I am very interested in the proper use of Aniracetam. I have been using it for the first time over the past two days. BY FAR the most powerful nootropic/brain function booster I have ever experienced. I am very satisfied. If you guys are interested I can post a more in-depth review…