[quote]THE_CLAMP_DOWN wrote:
Rusty Barbell wrote:
The best way would be to not take it at all. =P
Yes. I got that.
But my sister and her kid need to take it just to be “normal”.[/quote]
eaisest and most legal way is to change the diet.
if you “have” to take it which there are other options out there but I wont get into that,if they have to then like any other type of speed the muscle wasting effect is compounded by not eating,its not caused by it but there is a loss of appatite and thata long with the body working fatser than it should will burn muscle
have them on a higher protien diet and have them eat more.
this wont solve all the wasting away but getting active and eating more will help alot.
dont worry about fats and carbs and all that just eat morewhat you do worry about is getting more meat products and whole milk that kind of thing.
[quote]duddy wrote:
Awesome stuff! You are aware that Power Drive has DMAE in it already? Did you start each supplement on its own or did you start them all at the same time? If you started then on its own… what did you notice from the DMAE?[/quote]
I have heard many, many good things about DMAE - And its relatively safe and side effect free, like vinpo. A natural brain booster
I look at DMAE like fish oil - an essential supplement that I might start taking on a permanent basis. FYI, DMAE has alot of the same benefits as fish oil does, and its even extracted from fish as well(duh!)
I’m only doing 1/2 serving of Power Drive for now, so I’m taking 150mg of extra DMAE to make up for it. So I’m using 250mg a day. A full serving of Power Drive’s tyrosine was a bit much - I sort of got a little anxiety from it. But I have found I can handle 1/2 serving, especially with food, no problem. In fact, I’m digging it.
I started using them all at once. I think its probably way to early to notice anything from Vinpo. But I’ve definitely got an initial response from DMAE
[quote]djoh615893 wrote:
I don’t see the merit in cycling Vinpo, really. If I’m wrong, let me know.
Vinpo, from what I understand, is an ED supplement that becomes successful through continuous and consistent use. My experience now from several months of use is that consistancy is the key to reaping the full effects of use, and I have been noticing a constant increase in concentration, uptake, retention, and recall. I just got done teaching 9 weeks of law enforcement skills, and every week I noticed better recall and fluidity even under high stress and sleep deprivation (Monday sucks ass for me).
Like I said, if there is something tangible that proves me wrong, please make it known. We all would benefit from the knowledge.
Phenibut- Everything I’ve looked up indicated that cycling is not only beneficial but necessary due to the way it operates. One mention stated “two weeks use, with two weeks off”. Anyone find anything better? I find it very valuable and am not keen on the idea of two weeks off of it. Is a 5/2 cycle decent, or am I being too hopeful?
Aniracetam- Use only when studying, or daily use? I’m finding statements indicating both.[/quote]
I try to cycle everything. Just the way I do things. I think its a good practice.
But yes, Phenibut absolutely needs to be cycled. One develops a tolerance to it pretty quickly.
I like the 5/2 cycle. For Phen, you might even want to use it a tid bit less often, like 4/3.
[quote]Rusty Barbell wrote:
Nich, the problem is that amphetamine will kill your appetite. It is hard to force yourself to eat almost anything in the first place…
I guess it’s too bad cigarettes don’t have nutritional value. A lot of the adderall abusers I come across love to smoke… =P[/quote]
Generally people who respond well to adderal are usually fairly depleted in neurotransmitter levels - also the same people who respond well to nicotine(nicotine raises dopamine)
[quote]THE_CLAMP_DOWN wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
THE_CLAMP_DOWN wrote:
Rusty Barbell wrote:
The best way would be to not take it at all. =P
Yes. I got that.
But my sister and her kid need to take it just to be “normal”.
Well I made some comments earlier about the need for adderal being largely erroneous and I still stick with that. Obviously I don’t know your sister or her kid, but I struggle to believe that any child needs pharmaceutical amphetamine to be ‘normal’. It may be too late for your sister, but how old is her child?
BBB
Can you explain why the need for adderall may be erroneus?
Reading the book Change Your Brain, Change Your Life for myself made it seem like besides common self-help type prescriptions that drugs were most times needed.
I think he may be 12-13.
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Clamp,
I cannot stress how taking fish oil, has changed my life for the better. Ability to concentrate, mood, academics, memory, you name it. It’s literally like I am a different person.
This change to a LONG time to manifest - I’m talking like a full year or so on of high quality, high DHA fish oil.
Essential fatty acids. A growing body of scientific literature is helping parents and doctors better understand the link between fatty acids and behavioral disorders such as ADHD. The ratio between omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids (such as arachidonic acid) seems especially important. Eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) are omega-3 fatty acids found in flaxseed oil and cold water fish. In the typical Western diet, we tend to consume more omega-6 fatty acids relative to omega-3 fatty acids. The ratio of omega-3 to omega-6 fatty acids has been shown to influence the development of neurotransmitters and other chemicals that are essential for normal brain function. Increased intake of omega-3 fatty acids has been shown to reduce the tendency toward hyperactivity among children with ADHD (Haag M 2003).
Several studies have examined the role of essential fatty acids in ADHD, with very encouraging results:
* In one pilot study, children with ADHD were given flaxseed oil, which is rich in alpha-linolenic acid. In the body, alpha-linolenic acid is metabolized into EPA and DHA. At the end of the study, researchers found that the symptoms of children with ADHD who were given the flaxseed oil improved on all measures (Joshi K et al 2006).
* Another study examined the effects of flaxseed oil and fish oil, which provide varying degrees of omega-3 fatty acids, on adults with ADHD. The patients were given supplements for 12 weeks. Their blood levels of omega-3 fatty acids were tracked throughout the 12 weeks. Researchers found that high-dose fish oil increased omega-3 acids in the blood relative to omega-6 acids. An imbalance between arachidonic acid and omega-3 fatty acids is considered a risk factor for ADHD (Young GS et al 2005).
* Finally, one study compared 20 children with ADHD who were given a dietary supplement (that included omega-3 fatty acids) to children with ADHD who were given methylphenidate. The dietary supplement was a mix of vitamins, minerals, essential fatty acids, probiotics, amino acids, and phytonutrients. Amazingly, the groups showed almost identical improvement on commonly accepted measures of ADHD (Harding KL et al 2003).
One study has also indicated that children with ADHD benefit from intake of a combination of essential fatty acids and vitamin E (Stevens L et al 2003).
Magnesium and vitamin B6. Combining magnesium and vitamin B6 has shown promise for reducing symptoms of ADHD. Vitamin B6 has many functions in the body, including assisting in the synthesis of neurotransmitters and forming myelin, which protect nerves. Magnesium is also very important; it is involved in more than 300 metabolic reactions. At least three studies have demonstrated that the combination of magnesium and vitamin B6 improved behavior, decreased anxiety and aggression, and improved mobility among children with ADHD (Nogovitsina OR et al 2006a,b; Nogovitsina OR et al 2005; Mousain-Bosc M et al 2004).
Zinc. Zinc is a cofactor for production of neurotransmitters, fatty acids, prostaglandins, and melatonin, and it indirectly affects metabolism of dopamine and fatty acids. However, the role of zinc in ADHD is still emerging. Numerous studies have shown that children with ADHD are often deficient in zinc. However, researchers have not determined that a zinc deficiency causes ADHD or that treatment with zinc can improve symptoms of ADHD (Arnold LE et al 2005a,b). Two Turkish studies, however, have tested zinc therapy among children with ADHD with positive results. In these studies, children were randomized to groups that received either zinc or placebo. In one study, the conditions of children who took zinc for 6 weeks improved (Akhondzadeh S et al 2004). In the second study, zinc as the sole therapy resulted in significant improvements compared to placebo (Bilici M et al 2004).
Which are the differences exactly? What are everyone’s opinions/recommendations between the two?[/quote]
Both are great. Together, fucking awesome! Make sure you’re getting all your fish oils daily when you’re using this stuff to reap the full rewards. I’m doing a really hard and mentally demanding school right now, and oxi, ani, and fish oil are making it less stressful to deal with.
1 x Oxiracetam Powder (25 grams) = $19.99
1 x Piracetam Powder (250 grams) = $10.99
1 x Choline Citrate (100 grams) = $4.50
1 x DMAE Powder (100 grams) = $5.00
im going to cap everything and was wondering what you guys think about dosage numbers. i’ve never used racetams before so i want to start on the lower side. i wanted to get ani but they were out. would be a good idea to take the oxi and pira everyday? i think if i would do this id do low does of oxi, like 200 mg??
[quote]djoh615893 wrote:
Stone101 wrote:
oxirecetam vs Aniracetam
Which are the differences exactly? What are everyone’s opinions/recommendations between the two?
Both are great. Together, fucking awesome! Make sure you’re getting all your fish oils daily when you’re using this stuff to reap the full rewards. I’m doing a really hard and mentally demanding school right now, and oxi, ani, and fish oil are making it less stressful to deal with.[/quote]
Really? You can stack ani with oxi? I thought they were very similar substances, which would make that redundant. I did not know that. I’m using aniracetam right now by itself and loving it but could always use more of a boost. Do you think I should stack the two?
Really? You can stack ani with oxi? I thought they were very similar substances, which would make that redundant. I did not know that. I’m using aniracetam right now by itself and loving it but could always use more of a boost. Do you think I should stack the two?
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I think the consensus is that ‘racetams’ stack well and display considerable synergistic properties. However, it seemed like everyone stacking them also recommended lowering the dose of each. I’ve only been playing around with oxi so far but can’t wait for my pira to arrive, and sometime in the future I can see myself grabbing some ani just to see how they all compare.
Really? You can stack ani with oxi? I thought they were very similar substances, which would make that redundant. I did not know that. I’m using aniracetam right now by itself and loving it but could always use more of a boost. Do you think I should stack the two?
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Of course you can. Earlier in the thread there is a description of how each substance operates and how they synergize. The stack if very effective when needing to study, learn and concentrate.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
duddy wrote:
ok so this is what i just ordered:
1 x Oxiracetam Powder (25 grams) = $19.99
1 x Piracetam Powder (250 grams) = $10.99
1 x Choline Citrate (100 grams) = $4.50
1 x DMAE Powder (100 grams) = $5.00
im going to cap everything and was wondering what you guys think about dosage numbers. i’ve never used racetams before so i want to start on the lower side. i wanted to get ani but they were out. would be a good idea to take the oxi and pira everyday? i think if i would do this id do low does of oxi, like 200 mg??
im also going to be taking vinpo at 30mg/day and huper at 200mcg’s/day. and lots of fish oil.
im open to any suggestions, thanks guys!
I would suggest that you start with just one compound (vinpo) and start it low. Increase your dose, dependant on tolerance Vs effect. Then add another (DMAE or piracetam), starting low and working up, etc.
Finally, use the oxi in a series of ‘one off’ experiments, where you use your starting dose (200mg) and work up to the full recommended dose (800mg). I don’t think 200mg oxi will have the effect you want of super enhanced memory retention and cognitive powers.
It’s not really a (from what I can gather) titratable dose. What I mean is that you can’t take a 1/4 dose and expect 1/4 the effects. You need the recommended dose. I mean it’s not like you would use this constantly, every day, right?
BBB[/quote]
I’ve been taking 30 mg of vinpo and 100mcg of hup a for about a month now so ill be adding the above ontop of those. I was actually thinking about taking it ED at the lower dose or do you advise against that? Is there a certain ratio for Choline:racetams? If i was to combine the oxi and pira what ratio would you start out with? Thanks bushy!
SO, I tried Phenylpiracetam aka Phenotropil (as it’s called here) aka carphedon twice (once yesterday, once today).
Gotta say, the high is a bit sharper than I had hoped for. Comparable to caffeine in how it makes you focused; however, it didn’t make me physically jittery like caffeine does. I also felt a smidge of anxiety, but nowhere near as bad as I get from even a bit of caffeine. Still, my eyes are wide open (as opposed to relaxed when I don’t use caffeine or any other stims) all day long.
I’d say I peaked at about 3 hours in. The feeling at the 2-3 hour mark was VERY intense. A bit too intense, actually, making it somewhat hard to concentrate. I’ll probably down the dosage next time. (I had 100mg today). I didn’t sleep well yesterday, and think that the phenylpiracetam contributed to that… though, on the other hand, it was also the first time in 5 days I went without Z-12 which might explain it.
Well, all in all, pretty interesting. I haven’t tried any other racetams yet, but I’ll keep everyone posted on further experiences with this substance.