Brain Function Boosters

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

DMAE is supposed to be a ‘poor mans’ version. I like it a lot. See my thread ‘unconscious learning’ for my impressions.

BBB[/quote]

I was just reading up on DMAE

Its extracted from fish, mackerel if I remember correctly.

Add in the omega 3’s, the vitamins and minerals and such that fish provide, and fish have GOT to be the worlds best “Superfood”, hands down.

Im not one to bash the vegetarian people, but given what we are learning by the day about fish, you have got be crazy not to eat it.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Wow, I can’t believe how good Vinpo makes me feel! Calm, clearheaded, happy,…wow!

Will this feeling last or does it level off? If it were to level off right here, I’d build a shrine to Vinpo and the guys who invented it![/quote]

When I get in with my next purchase soon, Im gonna give Vinpo a whirl.

Im gonna plan on dosing low and going from there.

I’d like to add it in do the daily list I run

Vinpo seems like the consensus choice. Safe, cheap and effective.

Im suprised they don’t add it in with Power Drive or Spike or something else. Seems like it wouldn’t be much of a cost issue

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Wise Guy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Wow, I can’t believe how good Vinpo makes me feel! Calm, clearheaded, happy,…wow!

Will this feeling last or does it level off? If it were to level off right here, I’d build a shrine to Vinpo and the guys who invented it!

When I get in with my next purchase soon, Im gonna give Vinpo a whirl.

Im gonna plan on dosing low and going from there.

I’d like to add it in do the daily list I run

Vinpo seems like the consensus choice. Safe, cheap and effective.

Im suprised they don’t add it in with Power Drive or Spike or something else. Seems like it wouldn’t be much of a cost issue

Actually that’s a valid point on the (non)inclusion of vinpo into Power Drive. I’m surprised it’s not there.

Considering the price of vinpo and its significant ‘fringe benefits’, the question people should be asking themselves is “Why don’t I use vinpocetine”.

BBB[/quote]

You got it.

I haven’t tried it yet. Im always hesitant to jump on the bandwagon and blow $$ on supps. Im pretty selective.

Right now I use

Grow Whey
ZMA
Fish Oil (Ive used lots of brands)
CREATINE

I’m drumming around 3 permanent additions. Vinpo, Vitamin D3 and Superfood.

Vinpo seems like it could very well be the best of the noop bunch. I’ve read this whole thread and I’ve got to say thanks a lot.

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

Have you heard of the ‘aquatic ape’ theory?

BBB
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Nope. Fill me in!

I will try and make a long story short here.

After flunking out of college my first try years ago, I pretty much gave up on all things academia.

After some not so good experiences in the real world without a college degree, I went back in the fall 2007.

I have taken 10 classes in the past year. 9 A’s, one B.

Its tripped out. At first, I attributed it to being a little older, more responsible. But deep down, I knew something WAS different.

One night a few months ago under some “mind expanding” substances, I realized the change - I had been taking fish oil, 1-3 grams a day, frequently and consistently, for the past 3
years.

There is no doubt in my mind that fish oil has substantially increased my cognitive abilities. But its something that probably needs to be taken for months to notice an effect.

So there is no doubt in my mind that noop’s are real, and effective, and do work.

Yes bush but the question is do nootropics work as well in all individuals?

Do you need a prerequisite like creativity or some form of mental openness to allow the drug to have best effect? Do you need something like ADD to get the best effect?

Some individuals might not get much of an effect from something like piracetam because their brain is already functioning at 100%, they did after all get to med school probably on nothing but an occasional coffee. Who is to say that you were just running at 50%, which was enough to get you into med school, but then when you started the noos you finally got up to 100% (like the other people already were) and now the real who’s who of smart people emerged…

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
How damaging is maryjane? My PO insists she has seen many kids whose brains have been “blown apart” by marijuana use though.
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I think this is a very context specific question. First you have to consider that there are 2 types of potheads. Those who use it and don’t care about their physical health. And those who use it and do care about their physical health.

Those which choose to disregard things like a good diet and exercise will likely only be pulled down further by marijuana. Isn’t the stereotype that pot makes you lazy? It is only going to make these people more lazy, and what makes it worse is the fact that in places like high school, being a “burnout” can often make you cooler. These people pick up this trend, letting themselves “become more and more Pauly Shore-like” as time goes on and they smoke more. The net effect is an emplacement of these mindsets in their daily life and then when they get busted and talk to Mr./Mrs. Always-Sober-PO they most definitely give the feeling that their brains have been obliterated by marijuana.

Then there are those who choose to pay attention to themselves and not allow themselves to fall under the trap like the others. It might take a little while to get used to but you can use marijuana every day (in the evening after you workout of course =P) and not experience life any much different than you would be without it. Except you might just have 100X more good ideas… and of course healthy living is absolutely key to being successful with this.

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Wise Guy wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:

Have you heard of the ‘aquatic ape’ theory?

BBB

Nope. Fill me in!

I will try and make a long story short here.

After flunking out of college my first try years ago, I pretty much gave up on all things academia.

After some not so good experiences in the real world without a college degree, I went back in the fall 2007.

I have taken 10 classes in the past year. 9 A’s, one B.

Its tripped out. At first, I attributed it to being a little older, more responsible. But deep down, I knew something WAS different.

One night a few months ago under some “mind expanding” substances, I realized the change - I had been taking fish oil, 1-3 grams a day, frequently and consistently, for the past 3
years.

There is no doubt in my mind that fish oil has substantially increased my cognitive abilities. But its something that probably needs to be taken for months to notice an effect.

So there is no doubt in my mind that noop’s are real, and effective, and do work.

Well the theory goes something like this:

That although early hominids might have arisen in the plains of Africa, etc, it was only when they moved to coastal regions, that they began ingesting enough omega 3 (from seafood and fish) and energy, that their brains began to grow and develop into something approximating the organs that we, modern man, possess today.

This makes a kind of sense when you consider that your brain is mostly fat and water, and that the fat content comprises a high degree of EFAs/omega 3s. The ‘electrical insulation’ of the axons of nerves, the membranes of nerves (and axons) themselves as well as the membranes of all the ‘support cells’ (glial cells) in the brain are made of lipid. The areas of lower density within those membranes (known as ‘channels’) are created by inclusion of a molecule or two of EFA.

Since these channels allow ingress and egress of important nutrients and waste chemicals, it would make perfect sense that in order for the brain to operate in an optimal manner, there needs to be an optimum number of healthy ‘channels’ in the membranes of the hundreds of billions of neurons, not to mention the even more numerous glial cells.

Studies have clearly shown that the developing brain craves omega 3s and other EFAs, or it begins to express abberant behaviour. Why should the ‘developed’ brain be any different, especially when you consider that every component of the neuron is replaced within about a 6 month cycle. OK so the membranes themselves may not be replaced (there is some debate about this from what I understand), but to my mind, that makes it even more critical that we optimise the function of the membranes we are stuck with for life.

Here endeth the lecture, lol.

Anyway, your situation sounds a lot like my own. I was never academic at school or uni (the first time around, lol). I had trouble concentrating. When I began my Mchiro, I was languishing somewhere in the bottom 25% of my cohort.

Then I began with vinpocetine and fish oils. My performance began to improve. I added in oxi, moda, spike and ani during the years when I had copious amounts of anatomy, etc to learn by memory. I began to notice that although I was working hard, I was not working as hard as some of the exceptional students on my course, yet still exceeding their marks, at least on pure memory stuff.

In my final academic year, widely regarded as being the most ferocious, I sat back and just cruised, barely doing any supplemental reading, except in the more academic modules. I found that I only needed to read something once and without realising I knew it, I could puke out the answers before others had even digested the question.

I felt like superbrain to be honest, and passed all my exams first time, though 30% of my year failed.

Nootropics are most definitely real. And they are most definitely effective. It’s just a shame that their use is not more widely understood or practiced.

I know of several good students who have been booted off the course, due to the sheer rigorousness and demand of the course, who would likely have passed and been successful and less stressed out, if they had but grasped the idea of brain boosting.

BBB[/quote]

Great theory. Makes perfect sense.

And yep, sounds like our stories are identical.

I passed highschool with a 2.2/4.0

Right now in college Im carrying a 3.81/4.0

The difference is real. There is no doubt in my mind.

It is quite likely I hardly got any omega 3 fatty acids until I started supplementing with fish oil.

And its weird, but yea, I can pretty much attest that I have profoundly changed since starting it. Even my demeanor and the way I act. But these things take months.

Anyhoot, I plan on picking up Vinpo this weekend!

[quote]Rusty Barbell wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
It might take a little while to get used to but you can use marijuana every day (in the evening after you workout of course =P) and not experience life any much different than you would be without it. Except you might just have 100X more good ideas… and of course healthy living is absolutely key to being successful with this.

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Joe Rogan and Eddie Bravo had similar things to say about pot

[quote]Rusty Barbell wrote:
Yes bush but the question is do nootropics work as well in all individuals?

Do you need a prerequisite like creativity or some form of mental openness to allow the drug to have best effect? Do you need something like ADD to get the best effect?

Some individuals might not get much of an effect from something like piracetam because their brain is already functioning at 100%, they did after all get to med school probably on nothing but an occasional coffee. Who is to say that you were just running at 50%, which was enough to get you into med school, but then when you started the noos you finally got up to 100% (like the other people already were) and now the real who’s who of smart people emerged…[/quote]

I agree with this perspective. There seems to be more variability in terms of results/effects of psychoactive substances on different people than with other substances and I think it’s attributable to the greater complexity of the brain and the sheer number of biological systems which comprise it. Neuroscientists have still only scratched the surface in identifying and explaining these structural and chemical systems.

I think the difference for something like your piracetam example wouldn’t be that ones entire brain was operating 50 vs 100 percent, but rather whether the specific neurotransmitters and regions affected by the substance were under-active, over-active or functioning optimally at the start. This I think is why some people benefit from certain noops while others are made worse off and vice-versa. Since our understanding the brain is still fairly primitive we can’t effectively prescribe the ideal treatment for less than perfect function from the start and our only recourse is to experiment-- within the bounds of reason-- to find what works, chemically and otherwise.

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Someone just sent me 10g of vinpo powder as a freebee (thanks - you know who you are) so now I can make my own nootropics caps. I have DMAE, oxi, ani and ALCAR powders on the way from BN, so it’s time to create a noopcap, lol.

The only problem is that although I use the largest size caps, they only hold roughly 600-700mg, which is enough for a dose of oxi, but with nothing else. Perhaps I’ll leave the oxi caps alone and just add some vinpo to my ani caps and DMAE caps, since the vinpo will work synergistically with them anyway.

Since the oxi is a one shot ‘turbo boost’ for the brain and not needed all the time, it’s probably best to leave it seperate anyway. Shame about the DMAE though as I would have like to create a ‘one a day, all in one’ cap.

BBB[/quote]

Wow that is cool buddy!

Let us know when you get em up and running. Love to hear how that combo works out.

TB

[quote]Rusty Barbell wrote:

Then there are those who choose to pay attention to themselves and not allow themselves to fall under the trap like the others. It might take a little while to get used to but you can use marijuana every day (in the evening after you workout of course =P) and not experience life any much different than you would be without it. Except you might just have 100X more good ideas… and of course healthy living is absolutely key to being successful with this.
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Hey Rusty

I don’t want to divert this great thread into a marijuana discussion.

I know what you mean by how marijuana’s mind expanding, thought inducing powers

However, the mechanism by which marijuana works always seems to point back to one simple mechanism - It increases blood flow in the cerebral area.

So it seems that it really doesn’t do anything that a good Ginko or Vinpo extract can’t do. Seems like it is a “super dose” of such that it rapidly does so at a high rate, and tapers off quickly.

And it is full of alot more side effects, namely anxiety , and carcinogenic smoke.

Not someone who is against it, just throwing discussion around.

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Someone just sent me 10g of vinpo powder as a freebee (thanks - you know who you are) so now I can make my own nootropics caps. I have DMAE, oxi, ani and ALCAR powders on the way from BN, so it’s time to create a noopcap, lol.

The only problem is that although I use the largest size caps, they only hold roughly 600-700mg, which is enough for a dose of oxi, but with nothing else. Perhaps I’ll leave the oxi caps alone and just add some vinpo to my ani caps and DMAE caps, since the vinpo will work synergistically with them anyway.

Since the oxi is a one shot ‘turbo boost’ for the brain and not needed all the time, it’s probably best to leave it seperate anyway. Shame about the DMAE though as I would have like to create a ‘one a day, all in one’ cap.

BBB[/quote]

Bushy

Expand further on any synergy between Vinpo and DMAE