Brain Function Boosters

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[quote]mill_z wrote:
Does anyone have any positive experiences with Hydergine, Nicergoline, or Bromocriptine?

If you go here: http://www.antiaging-systems.com/extract/hofmann_100.htm

The info they spout sounds pretty exciting. What do you all think?

I just realize this is the same thing Head was talking about and it’s the same link, but does anyone have opinions on these three “brain enhancers” and do the work on regular healthy joe’s?[/quote]

I’ve tried all three but had the most success with hydergine. I think I already posted some of my experiences with it so I will be brief: hydergine provided me with many of the results others find with vinpo, the latter never having done anything for me. Too much hydergine too soon gave me headaches, but overall, it improved my mood and mental abilities. Nicergoline provided ambiguous results, and definitely required higher doses & more regular ingesting for any discernible results. Bromocriptine’s effects felt similar to hydergine, but with a major difference and deal-breaking side effect: it seemed to fuck up my immune system. I cannot prove the connection, but after beginning a cycle of bromo, I got an especially nasty cold. Bromo did not do any permanent damage, but I think it temporarily weakened my immune system, which from the outset I recognized as a possible side effect but gambled anyway. I did not find any sexual enhancement in using bromo.

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Hydergine experiences might be a little limited here, since its a prescription med; but I’m sure it makes the rounds on college campuses.

Hydergine has been around a long time, and that’s one reason to like it. It does the job and the long-term sides never appeared. Its apparently very safe, which is a deal maker for me.

For some reason, Vinpo puts me to sleep. I hope the Hydergine doesn’t do that.

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So is one supposed to be better than the other (Hydergine vs. Vinpo)? Are these synergist to be taken together or just choose on or the other and build a stack off of it? That’s an unforturnate side fro Bromo. Looks promising from what they say about it. How long were you taking the Bromo and Nicer before you stopped?

I’m also curious about Vasopressin and if I should add it to my stack. I like that has nearly an immediate effect.

This is a great post! Some great advice going on here!

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Hydergine experiences might be a little limited here, since its a prescription med; but I’m sure it makes the rounds on college campuses.[/quote]

So you can’t get this in the U.S. withourt a prescription? If you go to Hydergine (HyPro™) Capsules | Antiaging Systems it doesn’t say anything about it being a controlled substance in the U.S. where if you try to buy Moda from the same site, it tells you it’s controlled and won’t be shipped to the U.S. and Canada.

Do these mean different things?

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[quote]baseballer2150 wrote:
Well a report on a geranamine + Spike combo.

HOLY CRAP. So last night, had some issues with people around me letting me down. I was up till 5:30am, and got up at noon. I slept like crap, but didn’t feel to bad today.

I was hyped to lift all day.

9pm, I popped a Spike and 100mg of geranamine.
OH MY GOD, lol. I was so amped.

I hit a squat PR of 300lbs, after which I wasn’t tired at all and still feeling on top of the world. So i went and killed my old deadlift PR of 400lbs with a 420lb PR. I wasn’t expecting to even get 400 as I lost a ton of strength from not lifting during spring and have only deadlifted a few times since I set the 400lb PR.

Now I still felt god like, so I felt like going for a pullup PR, and added a rep to my previous best, I got 4 reps with a 45lb plate.

Still not tired I decided to do pushups to failure for a couple sets.

Quite frankly, if I had lifted earlier in the day, i would have gone and run sprints on the track. I felt that amazing.

So now it’s almost 5 horus since I took the stuff, and I still feel god-like. This has to be one of the best “highs” I’ve ever had, and it’s cheap, legal, and doesn’t present any known side effects. [/quote]

Good to hear you like it so far. I have only used it a couple times at 50mg, looks like next time I might try 75mg. Not only does the stuff give me mad energy and kill my appetite, but I agree it makes you feel like you can lift more, longer. I read many posts talking about smashing PR’s, but I stayed away from those because I didn’t want to be too worn out the next day and I wasn’t scheduled to test a PR, but the next time I am going for a PR I’m going to make sure I have some geranamine in my system.

When you lift with it, your muscles have a different feeling to it, call it a muscle-mind connection, or lack of muscle fatigue, but I feel a sort of elastic feeling to my muscles like a rubberband. The lifts were easy, I didn’t need as much rest, since it felt like I caught my breath almost instanntly and was ready for the next set. It sure made my lawn work a breeze, but I think there is risk for injury if you can lift more than you usually would so I have exercised caution so far. Don’t see me using this more than once a week, but its nice to see some more feedback on geranamine. I also tried it with a half tab or spike and it was a good combo. I have tried it with different amounts of caffeiene and will continue to experiment.

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I have a question about what to add to my growing collection. It may of been mentioned previously in this thread, but if it has i can’t seem to find it or get too distracted by the excellence of the thread in general. In which case i apologize.

Of the two forms of DMAE, DMAE bitartrate and Centrophenoxine, what seems to be more effective? Or cost effective? I WOULD of sided with centro, but then bushy has mentioned DMAE a few times.

I would like to be able to pick one in time for the next order…

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[quote]Hawkguy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Hydergine experiences might be a little limited here, since its a prescription med; but I’m sure it makes the rounds on college campuses.

So you can’t get this in the U.S. withourt a prescription? If you go to Hydergine (HyPro™) Capsules | Antiaging Systems it doesn’t say anything about it being a controlled substance in the U.S. where if you try to buy Moda from the same site, it tells you it’s controlled and won’t be shipped to the U.S. and Canada.

Do these mean different things?

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You can buy it in small quantities, so you stay under the radar. Its very unlikely anyone will bother you over $50 worth of Hydergine. They’d probably just confiscate it.

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[quote]Thomas Gabriel wrote:
mill_z wrote:
Does anyone have any positive experiences with Hydergine, Nicergoline, or Bromocriptine?

I’m interested in this too. Specifically the sex benefits of Bromo.
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I use to take bromocriptine for sexual enhancement. I would only take it prior to sex, but then it would bother my sleep the following night. But, yes, it really works for sex. Of course, better is dostinex, if you want to go down that path. Of course, there are some issues related with dostinex.

Look, I REALLY recommend people get the neurotransmitter test from http://www.neurorelief.com. I speak about it in another thread. It could really take some of the guessing out of your experimentation. For example, someone mentioned PEA, but I know from the test-it uses saliva and urine samples- that I have TOO much PEA (at least at night…yeah, you want it pretty high during the day, but even then NOT EXTREMELY HIGH as extremely high levels are assoicated with schizophrenia, I believe.), and it’s probably one of the culprits in my long-standing issue with insomnia.

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Ooooh sparkly test kit.
How much is one o them Entheogens? Also what kinda detail did you get outputs in?
-Rowesk

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I got the sleep difficulty profile, which only tests the neurotransmitters at night, at the point where you have difficulty sleeping. It cost around $160. If you think that’s expensive, think about this. I have wasted a lot of money on supplements. For example, melatonin supplementation never worked for me, and I came to find out through the test that indeed my melatonin level is fine. As I said before, someone else recommended PEA here. Now PEA is probably great for some of you guys, but I know from my test that I have PEA in abundance and therefore, I needn’t even try it.

They have other kinds of tests. You can check on their website.

Anyway, in the particular test that I took, I got readings on the following: cortisol, melatonin, epinephrine, norepinephrine, dopamine, seratonin, GABA, glutamate, PEA, Histamine, creatinine.

Now they sell supplements and they will give you recommendations (when you get your test results) of which supplements they recommend for you and why. You don’t have to buy their supplements, if you don’t want. They list what is in the various supplements and you can buy them on your own. For example, one supplement they recommended for me had taurine, theanine, and 5-HTP. I didn’t buy that supplement from them and just bought the ingredients on my own.

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I’ve tried hydergiene and I think it’s mildy effective, though it feels like this is due mainly to its dopaminergic properties as opposed to something more significant. I still have an open mind towards it though. The best claims made about it involve high dosages over extended periods which would get expensive.

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Just got my supplements and started my dosage. Will be increasing over the next few days.

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[quote]etaco wrote:
I’ve tried hydergiene and I think it’s mildy effective, though it feels like this is due mainly to its dopaminergic properties as opposed to something more significant. I still have an open mind towards it though. The best claims made about it involve high dosages over extended periods which would get expensive.[/quote]

It is a long-term drug, meant for such therapy. I plan on teaching for at least 15 more years so that’s what I’m looking for. I know most of the younger guys here want something more short-term, for studying. Hydergine might not be the best of all choices for such a situation. (The money end of it for me is irrelevant – wife inherited a bundle).

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[quote]etaco wrote:
I’ve tried hydergiene and I think it’s mildy effective, though it feels like this is due mainly to its dopaminergic properties as opposed to something more significant. I still have an open mind towards it though. The best claims made about it involve high dosages over extended periods which would get expensive.[/quote]

Fwiw, I didn’t get that much out of hydergine when using it.
I think I like vinpo a little more. Felt vinpo and seemed to see results for focus and memory more than most others.

Wow, really impressed with the quality of posters that appear on a regular basis now. Great reads guys!

Myself, I’ve been in a real slump with no energy and poor mood lately due to my injured shoulder and the reality of having to wait a long time to have surgery done. That and the inevitable atrophy that has occurred along with extra fat slopped on top has made me fairly down.

I have noted some interesting things from all of you though, and am going to give this stack a go for a fat-loss kickstart and energy booster.

Chocomine: 1-2g
Geranamine: 25mg
Caffeine: 100-200mg

One to three times a day all combined. Probably start 1/day, and work up to 3. I’ll let you guys know how it works for me. I’ve just felt sluggish, no energy, and plain weird of late. Never knew an injury could throw me out of whack so bad.

Sorry I haven’t contributed much for a long time, but had a lot on my plate until recently. So happy this thread has turned into such a minefield of open, intelligent minds.

Bravo!

ToneBone

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After re-skimming the entire thread I ordered some Phenibut and Bacopa Monnieri powder. I don’t have a capping system so I hope there is a scooper to help with dosing. I’ll report back on these feel good supps.

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[quote]Hawkguy wrote:
So is one supposed to be better than the other (Hydergine vs. Vinpo)? Are these synergist to be taken together or just choose on or the other and build a stack off of it? That’s an unforturnate side fro Bromo. Looks promising from what they say about it. How long were you taking the Bromo and Nicer before you stopped?

I’m also curious about Vasopressin and if I should add it to my stack. I like that has nearly an immediate effect.

This is a great post! Some great advice going on here![/quote]

I am not able to say whether Hydergine is better than Vinpocetine, though I am clearly in the minority in finding vinpo ineffective for me. While I personally prefer hydergine keep in mind that most others on this site praise vinpo and may not receive much or anything from hydergine. I think both have enough anecdotal & clinical data to be worth investigating by anyone seeking mental enhancement. Kept within recommended doses, both are generally regarded as safe, but I believe it has been advised on these pages (and elsewhere) not to take them simultaneously.

I had been taking the bromocriptine for about 1.5-2 weeks before I stopped. As I indicated, I thought the mental effects were good (similar to hydergine, as may be expected), but the untoward effects will keep me from taking it again. The nicergoline I have taken intermittently for some time, with regular dosings usually no more than a few days at a time.

As always, if you plan on trying more than one substance, make sure to try each individually so you can positively identify the origin of the effects. Also, begin with no more than the smallest recommended dose and build up gradually. Verify information through a variety of sources, particularly clinical studies and reports such as those on pubmed. There is a lot of great information in this thread, but why take any chances with your fucking brain–be absolutely sure before you know what you are taking & the associated risks before you take it.

Just my advice.