Vinpo ~$24
Huperzine A ~ $9 for 2 months supply @ 100mcg ed
DMAE ~$12 400mg ed
Oxiracetam 25g ~$20 lasts me two months at least…
Aniracetam ~$15
That’s a grand total of $65.50 per month! And you could get away with not taking half the stuff on that list. Most notably the oxi and ani, especially if it’s not ‘exam season’.
Go forth and learn with the assistance of chemicals, young one!
-Rowesk[/quote]
I’ve also heard about piracetram,Pramiracetam, modafinil, Adrafinil, centrophenoxine (Lucidril). Any thoughts on those?
(This last one is particularly interesting, because my mind has felt boggled down recently even though I am young, and I am sure it is some psychlogical problem, rather than physical, but it does not hurt to try.)
Also, I assume I just take the reccomended doses? I am about average size, 165~.
Piracetam is a less potent version of aniracetam and oxiracetam - though some people find slightly different effects from each of the -tams.
Same goes for prami. Except this is more potent than even oxi. It is also a LOT more expensive.
Modafinil and Adrafinil are a mixed bag.
[Moda is a metabolite of Adra, i believe.]
Several of the posters on this thread have had nasty heart palpitations and premature ventricular contractions from generic modafinil, myself and Bushy included. That said it is THE pinnacle of focus enhancing drugs - at least from my experience.
When revising it’s particularly useful, as it also suppresses hunger pretty well. Though this has often led to 6 hours revising not even remembering to eat anything at all.
The recommended dose and effective dose are often two very different things. You have to remember that whilst moderation is key, pharma don’t want to be sued by someone who so much as got a migraine from their product.
What i’ve suggested, is way above the average dosage, but ultimately within the therapeutic range. Even so, use your common sense and build up to each dose gradually - the same as you would with any dietary supplement…
The experienced guys on here (I’m not one) seem to be saying to build any stack around Vinpo, followed by Huperzine A. Those are the ones that seem to work for just about everyone.
Then, play with the others over the summer to see if one of the ‘extras’ provides a real benefit to you. I intend to play with Hydergine, since it seems to actually grow new neurons and actually rejuvenate the brain.
I’ll be teaching a class I took over 20 years ago, for a nearby university where my wife teaches. It will be a challenge, which I love, as I have to re-learn all this stuff over the summer. Any suggestions wrt that would be most welcome and appreciated!
If you’ve got the cash floating around, may i suggest PEA and a MAO-B inhibitor such as Deprenyl?
Phenylethylamine [PEA] is found in trace amounts in chocolate, but is broken down pretty quickly by MAO-B. It upregulates the efficiency of Norepinephrine and dopamine transmissions. Inhibitors of this chemical, such as Deprenyl, counter MAO-B’s hindering effects and can elongate and promote it’s effects by multiple times.
PEA has been compared on several boards as a miniature adderall high, keeping user alert, focused, elevated comprehension etc. Alas by itself it seems that these effects only last an hour, two at the very most.
Whith the addition of MAO-B I’s this could potentially be 3, 4, or even 5 hours!
To me this sounds VERY interesting.
Maybe this would be a combination you could ‘play’ with over the summer?
Hrm, Adrnafil sounds very interesting. I will look into it. Anything else you guys have had success with? I am a college student, but from what I’ve read it works the same on everyone.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Looks like someone has been doing some research, lol.
I have some chocamine downsatairs. Haven’t used it yet, but I would suspect it has PEA in it,no?
MAO inhibitors are fairly strong stuff from what little I remember. I shall have to do more reading myself, methinks.
Bushy[/quote]
You know me Bushy, ever on the lookout for something to make me that little bit smarterer
Yup yup, though I suspect it’d be a tiny amount [BN’s chocamine’s PEA value falls between 0.05 and 0.4%].
In regards to MAOI’s, they are strong, but from the few reports that i have read, 1.25g of Deprenyl is enough to have a positive effect on PEA half-life. Considering most tabs come in at no lower than 5g, purported for everyday use, I’d feel pretty safe taking stated amount…
It does worry me though, that some MAOI’s are ‘irreversible’…
Adra’s effect seem to vary from person to person - as with it’s metabolite Modafinil - so it’s going to be tough, nigh on impossible, to get a ‘correct’ answer.
As for diet, hell’s yesh it affects your mental capacity! Haven’t you ever noticed how you feel like your brains covered in treacle when low-carbing!?
Haha, perhaps that is why I feel like such shit on this Anabolic diet, it has been 7 days, and I just have a constant head-ache and what not.
However from everything I have heard it can increase energy greatly if my body adapts to the switch correctly. If not, I cut with it and then go back to the 40/30/30 clean food diet.
Anyways, I have found all these substances(and most in pill form, which is great!) except adranafil, is there another name for it?
Thanks for everything!
Edit: Bulknutrition and Physician Formulas don’t seem to sell Adrafinil. Any other suggestions(Unless of course it is sold under a different name)
Thanks in advance! You guys have been a great help!
As for diet, hell’s yesh it affects your mental capacity! Haven’t you ever noticed how you feel like your brains covered in treacle when low-carbing!?
-Rowesk[/quote]
only if your still a carb burning machine and havnt yet adapted to fat burning yet. Your brain doesnt know how to use ketone bodies yet, but once it does, it will function 25% more efficiently (along with the heart).
I’ve been on the anabolic diet for awhile now and I’m on the top of my game brain-wise (supplements help though). I cant stand the dreaded carb hangover I receive on the weekends.
++if your only 7 days in, your still transitioning.
The inventor of Hydergine turned 100 in January. He gave a speech and shocked everyone with how lucid he was, speaking clearly and on top of his game. I like a guy who takes meds he invents!
"Hydergine ® Developer Albert Hofmann Turns A Hundred
By David Jay Brown, M.D.
The celebrated Swiss chemist Albert Hofmann turned a hundred last January. Thousands of people from around the world gathered in Basel, Switzerland to celebrate his centennial birthday and honor him for his numerous discoveries and contributions to the fields of chemistry and psychopharmacology.
When Dr. Hofmann addressed the large crowds that gathered in his honor, he spoke eloquently. He was unusually articulate and clear-headed for a man that was over a century old.
Many people remarked how sharp his mind was and later, when I had an opportunity to interview Dr. Hofmann for a book that I�??m working on, I too couldn�??t help but marvel at his remarkable cognitive abilities. I wondered if part of the secret to his extraordinary mental clarity was a result of his development and periodic use of the ergot-derived pharmaceutical Hydergine ® (Ergoloid mesylate)."
[quote]ZSebag wrote:
Would caps or powders be more beneficial?[/quote]
Buying powder in bulk will be cheaper than caps obviously, but you will most likely need a scale for the powder and also be able to take the time to measure out a dose each time you take it.
You may also buy a capping machine if you like…I think that is how Bushy rolls.
Me personally, I just have a scale I bought from a jewelry place… haha.
The info they spout sounds pretty exciting. What do you all think?
I just realize this is the same thing Head was talking about and it’s the same link, but does anyone have opinions on these three “brain enhancers” and do the work on regular healthy joe’s?
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
The inventor of Hydergine turned 100 in January. He gave a speech and shocked everyone with how lucid he was, speaking clearly and on top of his game. I like a guy who takes meds he invents!
[/quote]
Actually, didnt he die at 102 just the other month? I believe though his real claim to fame, and something i will forever love him for, is the synthesis of LSD
HOLY CRAP. So last night, had some issues with people around me letting me down. I was up till 5:30am, and got up at noon. I slept like crap, but didn’t feel to bad today.
I was hyped to lift all day.
9pm, I popped a Spike and 100mg of geranamine.
OH MY GOD, lol. I was so amped.
I hit a squat PR of 300lbs, after which I wasn’t tired at all and still feeling on top of the world. So i went and killed my old deadlift PR of 400lbs with a 420lb PR. I wasn’t expecting to even get 400 as I lost a ton of strength from not lifting during spring and have only deadlifted a few times since I set the 400lb PR.
Now I still felt god like, so I felt like going for a pullup PR, and added a rep to my previous best, I got 4 reps with a 45lb plate.
Still not tired I decided to do pushups to failure for a couple sets.
Quite frankly, if I had lifted earlier in the day, i would have gone and run sprints on the track. I felt that amazing.
So now it’s almost 5 horus since I took the stuff, and I still feel god-like. This has to be one of the best “highs” I’ve ever had, and it’s cheap, legal, and doesn’t present any known side effects.
