I’ll give you a perfect stack for memory, focus, improved mood and mindset. Less stress and more energy. GABA 5 grams nightly 1 hour prior to bedtime, ZMA 3 capsules 1 hour before bedtime.Take both on empty stomach at least hour or two after last meal. Stress B complex by Optimum nutrition 2 caps 2 times a day with food.
1200 mg of Alpha Lipoic Acid 2 times a day with food. mix 2 tablespoons FLAX oil with 2 tablespoons Lecithin granules in a protein shake with bananas and strawberries first thing in morning. with 2 Ginko biloba extract caps twice daily with 2 softgells fish oil twice daily. Try this out and read up on the benifits of the supplements I have suggested. You should feel a great improvement after a week of bein on this stack enjoy.
why do you feel the hydergine is more effective but others swear by vinpo?
Just wondering what effects hydergine had on you as opposed to vinpo?
thanks
j[/quote]
Taking vinpo did nothing for me. Even after allowing a few weeks of regular dosing for the effects to develop I noticed nothing.
Hydergine taken at 2.25 mg/day seemed to take effect within a few days. I felt significantly more clear-headed–not anything intense. There was no laser-like focus or increased energy. Perhaps I can describe it best by saying it felt like a breath of fresh air or a kind of tune-up for the engine. It seemed as if it was simply easier to think things through and do more mental ‘work,’ but without noticeably enhancing creativity, altering emotions or spiking energy.
I see hydergine, and vinpo for others, as an enabling agent, which probably works better in conjunction with different nootropics than as a stand-alone. It would amplify the effects of the -racetams without replacing them.
[quote]NFLBound wrote:
Would the stuff discussed in this thread help me for college classes and tests and help me remember football plays and study film better???[/quote]
I read the entire thread before making a purchase.
[quote]NFLBound wrote:
Would the stuff discussed in this thread help me for college classes and tests and help me remember football plays and study film better???[/quote]
Vinpo- 15mg in the morning, 15mg in the afternoon, and 15mg in the evening
8 Brain Octane caps,
2 Adranifil 600 mg (300 in the morning, 300 mid afternoon)
And now 100mcg of huperzine (50 mcg in the morning 50 mcg in the mid afternoon)
This is the stack I am taking and it is helping. I am working a 12hr/7day schedule while attending Embry Riddle, while working out. This stack has been helping a lot.
Bushy might be able to refine my stack and offer you experienced advice, I am just beginning to learn nootropics
why do you feel the hydergine is more effective but others swear by vinpo?
Just wondering what effects hydergine had on you as opposed to vinpo?
thanks
j
Taking vinpo did nothing for me. Even after allowing a few weeks of regular dosing for the effects to develop I noticed nothing.
Hydergine taken at 2.25 mg/day seemed to take effect within a few days. I felt significantly more clear-headed–not anything intense. There was no laser-like focus or increased energy. Perhaps I can describe it best by saying it felt like a breath of fresh air or a kind of tune-up for the engine. It seemed as if it was simply easier to think things through and do more mental ‘work,’ but without noticeably enhancing creativity, altering emotions or spiking energy.
I see hydergine, and vinpo for others, as an enabling agent, which probably works better in conjunction with different nootropics than as a stand-alone. It would amplify the effects of the -racetams without replacing them.
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Thanks, I will try Hydergine 2.25 mg/day in my next stack
[quote]BIGZEUS wrote:
Any reports on the brain Octane yet? Is the effect/price worth it over regular piracetam and some choline and such?[/quote]
I tried Brain Octane straight out of the gate so I would not know what regular piracetam and some choline are like.
Brain Octane hits with the same thud a sound system makes when you turn the power on. It is only this intense when I have an empty stomach though. Once it kicks in I find I am more focused at whatever task I am involved in. It is now and will remain a regular part of my supplement regime.
As we search for the ultimate concoction, look into nicergoline. You may find that it produces many of the same effects as hydergine or vinpocetine, but with a little more ‘kick.’ Note the danger of interaction with hydergine, vinpo, etc. and the potential danger to those with blood pressure issues.
Over the past four months that I have used Piracetam, Oxiracetam, and Centrophenoxine, I have noticed an improvement in clarity and speed. Typically I followed Bushy’s recommendation with mixing down the piracetam and oxi into a drink to sip throughout the day. This idea served very well in creating balanced doses when needed. I just went to two caps of Centro last week after getting two more bottles.
Overall the effects are as follows:
Being a naturally aggressive person, I am more able to be really pissed off at just one person, or the entire world.
I am more able to obsess/dwell on kicking the shit out of someone who just roused my psychotic anger.
I can fly through college assignments, remember the text/concepts more easily, and sometimes even get a passing grade! (j/k)
I multi-task much more easily. I used to actually forget what other tasks I had when attempting to multi-task. Now, I actually get shit done.
I have been able to develop a new threshold for workloads, thanks to the nootropics. Now, I need lots of work to become tired. I also recover more completely after getting burned out from work. I can go almost 24 hours straight before needing lots of sleep, which can get irritating if you need to be a top performer daily. This leads into a new idea: Should we attempt clinical trials of the nootropics on people with very pronounced O/C disorders to see if they become even more pronounced? Would they cause someone to REALLY bug out and flick light switches like 15-20 times rather than 6-10? What about people who wash their hands too much?
Anyway, just some thoughts to contribute. Glad I found this thread when I did. The supps are great, and it’s too bad Texas drivers don’t use them. Texas drivers are too retarded to even own cars, let alone drive them safely.
[quote]j2048b wrote:
Guys,
Are their any known sides to talking these nootropics for extended periods of time?
Should their be a period of time that they are not used? Say like 2 weeks constant use, 1 week no use at all?
People say phenibut has addictive qualities, so does this possibly mean that others can cause addiction as well?
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I am sure others will weigh in with their views, but for now the simple answer is: it depends. Side effects? Some have side effects no matter how long one may take them, dependent rather on the dosage and one’s physiology. For my part I have tried to mention, albeit briefly, potentially dangerous side effects common to the chemicals I suggest or mention.
As far as addiction is concerned, phenibut was the one that stood out to me as potentially addictive, with reportedly nasty side effects during withdrawal. The -racetams are usually regarded as quite safe, with few (if any) sides either in taking or when one ceases.
Personally I think cycling is good with most supplements. Depending upon one’s peculiar chemistry, goals, etc one should design a personal regimen that allows for proper cycling, without too much downtime. For example, taking moda 5 days/wk but cycling off on the weekends. One could then simply accept the inevitable decrease in energy & focus that comes from cycling off, or find a compatible replacement to take on the weekends. Likewise, one could take hydergine for a few weeks, then cycle off, replacing it with nicergoline for a few weeks, then cycle off that, etc. One does have to make sure that the levels of whatever chemical have dropped to safe levels before mixing with a potentially hazardous synergist.
Though certainly not the final word on the subject, I hope that helps.
gnosticjon,
Thanks for the input, about how long would it take for something to be completly out of the system? I mean as far as nootropics go, do certain ones actually stay in your system even after you’ve stopped taking them?
I’m not so sure that such a huge stack is really called for. I get good results just from Piracetam and Oxiracetam, with Centrophenoxine added as a staple. Start small and experiment. Oh, and don’t forget the creatine.
After using Piracetam for several months, I have decided to switch to Aniracetam. Piracetam gave great results, but now I feel that Aniracetam would be a better supplement based on my work habits and lifestyle.
For anyone who uses Aniracetam: what can you offer as far as personal experiences?
[quote]Merlin7777 wrote:
Okay, so I have been reading the thread for a while and it looks like a good stack is:
Vinpo
Oxiracetam / Aniracetam
Brain Octane (which has choline)
Adrafinil / Moda (If you can find them)
Huperzine
Hydergine
Glutamine
Lastly, some Power Drive.
Are there others that should be added/subtracted. I am just trying to find a good stack and so far this looks good.
Is it safe to take all or would you guys recommend a certain combo?[/quote]
Mixing vinpo and hydergine is neither necessary nor a good idea. Vinpo is one of the few substances specifically advised against mixing with hydergine.
Glancing at the stack, its size stands out. While there is not necessarily anything wrong with taking several things at once, unless one tests each individually over the course of several weeks one cannot tell which chemicals are doing what. You might be better served by picking one supplement, trying it for a few weeks, and then cease it for a time while you try another in isolation to all others.
This approach should save you some money and prevent undesired side effects.