great book to look through i just found for free on google:
A Guide to Understanding Dietary Supplements By Shawn M. Talbott
some info on almost everything including huperzine a, vinpocetine and others
hope i helped someone besides myself with this one:)
j2048b
[quote]j2048b wrote:
alrighty guys, i purchased some stuff!
I got some Braine Octane 350 today, and cannot wait to try it, any suggestions on as when to take it or if you need to eat with it or?
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AND
Nootropedelic
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WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK OF THESE 2 AS WELL?
tHANKS
j2048B
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Looking at the contents of Nootropedelic it looks like it has a considerable dose of phenibut. Perhaps 750 mg is necessary to bring out its nootropic properties but it also raises the troubling issue of addiction. My understanding is that phenibut dosing should be kept lower than that amount and used no more than 1-2 times/week in order to avoid tolerance or dependencyāif not outright addiction.
These concerns may be alarmist, but ought to be weighed against the dubious nootropic qualities of phenibut. I have never experienced any extra mental abilities due to the stuff (though it has helped brighten my mood on occasion).
It has been about two weeks since I started taking Vinpo- 45 mg daily, 4days since I began taking 8 Brain Octane caps, 2 Adranifil 600 mg, and I am still waiting on my Huperzine to arrive.
Thus far I have only experienced more focus while working. Initially I was flat lined emotionally but that might have been related to personal issues and placebo effect.
[quote]mc_neumann wrote:
It has been about two weeks since I started taking Vinpo- 45 mg daily, 4days since I began taking 8 Brain Octane caps, 2 Adranifil 600 mg, and I am still waiting on my Huperzine to arrive.
Thus far I have only experienced more focus while working. Initially I was flat lined emotionally but that might have been related to personal issues and placebo effect.[/quote]
I gotta get some more vinpo, and adrafinil here, but got the octane too, and another joe schmoe noot cocktail with a decent amount of Huper.(75mg).
How much Hupe are you planning on taking MC?
Sounds like you got a decent protocol lined up.
ToneBone
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
roweski wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
PAAAARTY ON DUDE!
I Plan to!
What were your experiences with aniracetam, bush? Oxi is leaving me fuzzy a while after a full dose. And when taken in smaller amounts i donāt feel much benefit from itā¦
-Rowesk
Yeah, I got the same effects from oxi first few times.
I find than oxi and anira together have a complementary effect. The anira is an anxiolytic so takes the āedgeā off the oxi buzz.
Bushy[/quote]
That sounds like a winning hand Bushy. I know occasionally when I ran it at 900 some odd mg before class it could be a bit over the top too. But then it did kick in some decent extra focusin properties much more than the lower end dose I ran which was around 450mg I believe.
TBN
gnosticjon,
thanks for the info, i was not aware that i could become addicted to phenibut, thanks!
what exactly are the good nootropics to take to elevate ones moods?
and can you take them along with the other ābrainā ones as well?
Im getting into this whole thing. Not so much the chems. (money issues) The vinpo i have seems to mix nicely with Spike and ani. though when i run out i think i am just going to end up with Spike ($)
But whats really catching me is these brain excercise sites like lumosity. The idea of training memory, reaction speed, processing time, etc is just cool. Pity we dont see much placebo controlled, chem supplemented studies on this type of thing with normal people.
[quote]Mousse wrote:
Hey, I just thought of somethingā¦what about B-12?[/quote]
I have some B12 caps and I find they make me more wide-eyed, but the B12 in liquid form such as spike shooters and other energy drinks will have more of a kick in it. Maybe it gets into your bloodstream quicker.
Iāve been paying attention to this thread, but its gotten too huge to read it all. I recently bought some l-tyrosine and DMAE to mix. Kind of like Powerdrive minus the 3rd ingredient. My main reason for taking these is to stay on top of my game and not get too run down mentally with the grueling 12 weeks of training I have in front of me. Iāll usually pop one each in the morning with some TRIBEX and it seems to keep me focused at work and not too tired after training. Iāll definately have to try some of the others on this thread.
row, thanks, i thought HOT-ROX was a fat burning supp? I guess it has other properties as well?
ALL HERE IS ANOTHER BOOK ONLINE ABOUT NOOTROPICS:
SO ROW,
YOU BELIEVE THE Carbolin 19 HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH ELEVATED MOODS?
[quote]j2048b wrote:
gnosticjon,
thanks for the info, i was not aware that i could become addicted to phenibut, thanks!
what exactly are the good nootropics to take to elevate ones moods?
and can you take them along with the other ābrainā ones as well?[/quote]
opinions abound, but i think the best mood enhancer/nootropic is modafinil. many report that it makes them feel sharper and energized. i have found that oxiracetam and aniracetam both improved my mood, although their effects were more profound during initial doses. so far as i know, moda and the -racetams are safe to take together and may enhance the effects of each other.
mild to moderate caffeine intake also seems to interact synergistically with many nootropics. a popular staple of many nootropic regimens, vinpocetine is generally regarded as safe to mix with a lot of other supplements. personally i think hydergine is more effective but others swear by vinpo.
while these substances may provide a mood boost, if one has severe or chronic depression it would be wise to consult a professional and conduct thorough research to find a solution.
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
mc_neumann wrote:
It has been about two weeks since I started taking Vinpo- 45 mg daily, 4days since I began taking 8 Brain Octane caps, 2 Adranifil 600 mg, and I am still waiting on my Huperzine to arrive.
Thus far I have only experienced more focus while working. Initially I was flat lined emotionally but that might have been related to personal issues and placebo effect.
I gotta get some more vinpo, and adrafinil here, but got the octane too, and another joe schmoe noot cocktail with a decent amount of Huper.(75mg).
How much Hupe are you planning on taking MC?
Sounds like you got a decent protocol lined up.
ToneBone[/quote]
Have you tried the dose you mentioned (75mg)? What have you experienced with higher dosage, of have you yet to try higher? Thanks
gnosticjon,
thanks for the input
why do you feel the hydergine is more effective but others swear by vinpo?
Just wondering what effects hydergine had on you as opposed to vinpo?
thanks
j
Excellent thread
bushidobadboy what is your opinion on modafinil down-regulation and when its appropriate to take a break from it.
Tks everyone.
One more thing, doest anyone have wild crazy dreams while on the racetams ?
IMO I would not use Phenibut for a nootropic effect but rather for relation or to chillout at the end of a stressful day. (Dose used 250mg - 1 gram, BN brand)
Also, I know its been mentioned before but what doses are you all using now with the ani and oxi? And what would you use if you mixed them?
I only ask b/c I have some ani powder and Power Drive sitting around and Iām thinking about picking up some oxi and capping them all into some crude nootropic stack.