If somebody hasn’t found where to get modafinil from, there is a good thread on Imminst.org for sources, one of whom is selling bulk powder now at a reasonable price (for modafinil, anyways). It works out to roughly $1.00 for a 200 mg serving.
I’ve done a bit more research, and have a couple of questions.
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How different are Modafinil and Adrafinil as far as effects (and side effects) go. It seems that everyone here prefers the Moda. Is there any reason to pay the larger costs of the Moda over the cheaper (and non-scheduled)Adrafinil?
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Has anyone here tried the generic version of Modafinil? I have read in some places that people are preferring the Provigil over other “knockoffs” like modalert, etc.
I am hesitant to invest $60 or more (on the cheapest modalert)for something I might hate, or could get a lot cheaper (as Adrafinil). Any help or experiences would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
- I believe adrafinil is used less because there is significantly less research on it, and it is slightly harder to find that modafinil. The research is on modafinil because adrafinil metabolises to modafinil (which is the active ingredient) and some other metabolite that gets processed by the liver.
So, the people who use modafinil & the researchers probably figured why use adrafinil as it does not seem to confer any advantage over modafinil, yet has possible (although mostly unknown) side effects from the other metabolite. In the one study on adrafinil that I have heard of, it did not seem to raise liver indicators/values in older adults for a period of time, I think it was a month.
- I believe a large number of people who don’t get modafinil prescribed use generics (mostly Indian, including Modalert, I’m guessing) as it is easier to get a hold of, and cheaper. It would be very interesting to hear from somebody who has tried both though.
However, I think that the generics are probably just as effective due to the anecdotal results in posts. (Whatever weight that may hold with you.)
Modalert seems to not be as effective as Modafinil. Some of the theories is because the Modalert are extended release and have a film coating. Two things that Modafinil is not. Some have suggested crushing and ingesting.
This isn’t from first hand experience though, just things I’ve read on forums and such.
Thanks for the responses guys. Always good info on this site.
I think for now it will be either powder from the aforementioned source (Bushy’s word is good enough for me), or I will try the adrafinil. I am a little leery of what Uncle Sam might think about a package of powder being sent to me. The appealing thing about the adrafinil is that it has not been scheduled in the US yet.
I’m also interested in being a bit of a guinea pig, and testing both, so I can report back here. I might just have to get a bit of both and see how it goes 
Thanks again for the help.
D3HT09
Question for you all. Would Power Drive make decent substitution for a choline supp? I ask because its finals week and im taking aniracetam 640mg 2x day with 15 mg vinpo and im starting to feel “foggy”
I’m guessing the phosphatidylcholine and DMAE would help.
Also what type of choline do you guys take. I read Lecithin Granules are good/cheap. But there is also Choline Bitartrate, Choline Citrate, etc.
Thanks
-ZEUS
I think I’ve read that the “goodness” of types of choline goes roughly:
- Alpha-GPC -which is relatively expensive, but can be offset by taking about 1/2 to 1/4th as much, or mixing it with other choline types
- Choline-CDP -which has extra benefits of its own
- phosphatidylcholine -which is the type Lecithin Granules supplies. Just make sure to take enough, as it just has choline, but isn’t pure choline
- Choline Bitartrate/Citrate (I’m not sure which is better.)
I’m not sure where DMAE would fit on that list. I don’t think it acts directly as choline, but is good instead or with choline.
However, I believe Power Drive is a good blend and a good choice if you’re looking for choline.
[quote]Epimetheus wrote:
T Ham wrote:
Man, I just read through 17 pages of thread in 3 days.
Very useful… I’ve tried most, if not all of the things you guys have mentioned here. I got most of my info form Imminst.org.
One thing that I didn’t see mentioned here about piracetam & aniracetam was the greater “appreciation” for music. I have no other way to describe it more, other than that music becomes more enjoyable.
Busy, I’m slightly suprised that vasopressin didn’t work for you. As far as I’ve read, all vasopressin that is used for cognative enhancement is sold as desmopressin. Have you used again with better results?
If anyone is going for a group buy of an ampakine, keep me in mind…
does the music appreciation apply to oxiracetam too? Because right around the time I started taking that, I started listening to Opeth. Since then, I’m thoroughly convinced that they are the best band I have ever heard. I would be sorely disappointed if my enjoyment of their music was being artificially stimulated by one of the things I’m taking. It would detract from my faith in their position as the greatest band alive.[/quote]
Epimetheus, I also experienced the increased enjoyment of music while tkaing piracetam and especially aniracetam. Didn’t notice anything with oxi or pramaracetam though.
Being that I love studying anything associated with the brain, I dove in head first to see why this could be.
By the way, it’s no only with listening to music, it’s also to playing. It’s not only a “listening” deal, its amplified using the other senses- and to boot, the substances tend to make you better/ get you into “flow”.
Anyway, to make a long story short, I’ve found that there are dopaminergic properties to pira and ani. Especially the ani.
So, you get a sweet dopamine release from the ani alone, which makes you feel awesome and simply enjoy everything. Then, to top it off, the actual rhythm of music produces another dopamine stimulator. So you’re getting synergy between the racetam and the rhythms.
Does this band you listen to that I’ve never heard of have particularly awesome rhythm or complexity?
BTW, if you’re interested, Dr. Ken Giuffre, a brain reseracher has a yahoo group called 3d brain that you can join free. It’s outstanding.
[quote]SurgeFreak wrote:
Epimetheus wrote:
T Ham wrote:
Man, I just read through 17 pages of thread in 3 days.
Very useful… I’ve tried most, if not all of the things you guys have mentioned here. I got most of my info form Imminst.org.
One thing that I didn’t see mentioned here about piracetam & aniracetam was the greater “appreciation” for music. I have no other way to describe it more, other than that music becomes more enjoyable.
Busy, I’m slightly suprised that vasopressin didn’t work for you. As far as I’ve read, all vasopressin that is used for cognative enhancement is sold as desmopressin. Have you used again with better results?
If anyone is going for a group buy of an ampakine, keep me in mind…
does the music appreciation apply to oxiracetam too? Because right around the time I started taking that, I started listening to Opeth. Since then, I’m thoroughly convinced that they are the best band I have ever heard. I would be sorely disappointed if my enjoyment of their music was being artificially stimulated by one of the things I’m taking. It would detract from my faith in their position as the greatest band alive.
Epimetheus, I also experienced the increased enjoyment of music while tkaing piracetam and especially aniracetam. Didn’t notice anything with oxi or pramaracetam though.
Being that I love studying anything associated with the brain, I dove in head first to see why this could be.
By the way, it’s no only with listening to music, it’s also to playing. It’s not only a “listening” deal, its amplified using the other senses- and to boot, the substances tend to make you better/ get you into “flow”.
Anyway, to make a long story short, I’ve found that there are dopaminergic properties to pira and ani. Especially the ani.
So, you get a sweet dopamine release from the ani alone, which makes you feel awesome and simply enjoy everything. Then, to top it off, the actual rhythm of music produces another dopamine stimulator. So you’re getting synergy between the racetam and the rhythms.
Does this band you listen to that I’ve never heard of have particularly awesome rhythm or complexity?
BTW, if you’re interested, Dr. Ken Giuffre, a brain reseracher has a yahoo group called 3d brain that you can join free. It’s outstanding.
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It’s not that they are overly complex, it’s just that they are alone in where they are musically; they have a sound that is completely unique. It’s very interesting to listen to it and compare and contrast it to other music that is, on paper, in the same genre.
I’ll give that group a look once finals are over. Thanks.
[quote]D3HT09 wrote:
Thanks for the responses guys. Always good info on this site.
I think for now it will be either powder from the aforementioned source (Bushy’s word is good enough for me), or I will try the adrafinil. I am a little leery of what Uncle Sam might think about a package of powder being sent to me. The appealing thing about the adrafinil is that it has not been scheduled in the US yet.
I’m also interested in being a bit of a guinea pig, and testing both, so I can report back here. I might just have to get a bit of both and see how it goes
Thanks again for the help.
D3HT09[/quote]
Hey that would be great man.
Well, I am finally done with finals! Damn that was some hard studying. It looks like I will end up with a very high B. I tanked the one exam due to the personal reasons some of you may remember interfering with what was a very tough timeframe for the hardest exam of the year…Got a D+ on that. One point from a C, and I was also an hour late to the class and only had a half hour to do the exam.
I was actually happy with that if you can believe that! The grades broke down like this:
First two lecture/practical-low C, high C.
Second two “”-100%A, high A.
Third two “”-D+, high B
Fourth and comprehensive final- guess: low A, high A.
So again it looks like I'll roll with a B for the final grade. I'll know for sure in a couple days.
You can clearly see from the time I started taking the nootropics after the first two tests, my studying was much more effective, as the class basicly gets harder as it goes along, while my grade went up.
Thanks for a great ride guys. I learned a hell of a lot from all of our fantastic contributors.
I will definitely be stocking up on some new stuff, and be back to keep the thread going next semester with physiology.
I'll post what my last "cocktail" was for the final. I was more focused than any other exam and flew through both of them. First person done. We had two hours for them and I was out of there in just at 45 minutes.
Holy crap!!
See ya later guys, and happy holidays!!
ToneBone
Hi Tone,
I am pleased to hear that you have done well this semester. In my opinion a B average is something to be VERY proud of, especially concidering some of the events that have happened in your life recently. I wish you continued success in your studies.
I do have a question specifically for you Tone. If I remember the beginning of this thread correctly, you had mentioned some grass smoking in your younger years. Do you feel that some of these substances have helped counter some of the lasting effects from the pot? If so, which 1 compound do you think had the best results? I also have a history of pot smoking (mostly college days).
My user name here is actually a holdover from those years (hold a mirror up to D3HT09- you will get it). It’s also the licence plate I wanted in college, but never had the balls to get (imagine a cop looking in his rearview mirror and seeing that on the front of my car!).
Anyway, I still am a bit fuzzy in the head from those times. I am really curious as to what you, specifically, think about some of these substances.
On the Modafinil front, hopefully I will be able to scrap together enough cash by early January to make a purchase of both substances. I am excited to be able to “give back” to this site in the way of a test on myself, for these 2 substances. Mostly, for the past 5 years, I have only been able to read and lurk, without contributing anything of my own.
Thanks for listening,
D3HT09
[quote]D3HT09 wrote:
Hi Tone,
I am pleased to hear that you have done well this semester. In my opinion a B average is something to be VERY proud of, especially concidering some of the events that have happened in your life recently. I wish you continued success in your studies.
I do have a question specifically for you Tone. If I remember the beginning of this thread correctly, you had mentioned some grass smoking in your younger years. Do you feel that some of these substances have helped counter some of the lasting effects from the pot? If so, which 1 compound do you think had the best results? I also have a history of pot smoking (mostly college days).
My user name here is actually a holdover from those years (hold a mirror up to D3HT09- you will get it). It’s also the licence plate I wanted in college, but never had the balls to get (imagine a cop looking in his rearview mirror and seeing that on the front of my car!).
Anyway, I still am a bit fuzzy in the head from those times. I am really curious as to what you, specifically, think about some of these substances.
On the Modafinil front, hopefully I will be able to scrap together enough cash by early January to make a purchase of both substances. I am excited to be able to “give back” to this site in the way of a test on myself, for these 2 substances. Mostly, for the past 5 years, I have only been able to read and lurk, without contributing anything of my own.
Thanks for listening,
D3HT09[/quote]
Hey thanks man, I appreciate that.
I was a really smart kid in high school, but some things happened as a result of a let’s say, an “emotionally abusive” fathers comments and remarks towards me at this time. They had a HUGE effect on me and jacked my self esteem/mind in general all up. I guess I was and still am a very sensitive person when it comes to criticism of myself as a result of all that. But better late than never, ya know? I got myself through it FINALLY at around age 38. Pretty sad it took that long but what can I say…
Yeah, I just think that the Vinpocetine was a big factor, and the oxi was used a lot in the beginning of my experimenting also. I feel much better since quitting the shit. I had burned so much weed for so long that it was getting me baked very quickly and short term memory was damn near immediately affected after toking. This was a reversal, as for a long time it wouldn't be overly potent like that. That and it was actually starting to make me stutter slightly which was odd and very alarming to me also.
That started about the last 2 or 3 years when I was still smoking. It would happen here and there, but began to happen more frequently. Needless to say, it was time to get smart about it. I had definitely abused the body long enough. I’m a fairly smart guy, that was something I used as a crutch for dealing with a lot of pain that had happened in my life, and it was stupid of course. But you can’t go back, so I decided to get proactive about it whatever way I could, which steered me into talking about and taking nootropics for brain health.
Bushy got me started and helped me immensely to get things rolling. I owe it to him for advising me on what, when, and how to recover from the years of abuse to the old noggin. Hey, I feel great now, I'm much more alert, and able to focus and remember much much better as a result of the different protocols I used this semester.
I can't wait to kick the shit out of physiology next round here...ha,hahaaa..
take care,
ToneBone
P.S. the best one is Moda by far in my opinion. That stuff was really good, I tried a small batch as some may remember me loggin on about it. But in the same breath, the stuff I took regularly and was able to afford worked just fine and dandy too. So, hey get whatever you can afford and go with it.
physiology is gonna be cake. We’ll have to exchange notes. I’m gonna need to pick up some adrafinil for it, tho, since mine is at 7:30 AM
3 days a week 
You gonna try and procure some more moda, tone?
and I just realized something. D3, is that booze hound?
[quote]Epimetheus wrote:
physiology is gonna be cake. We’ll have to exchange notes. I’m gonna need to pick up some adrafinil for it, tho, since mine is at 7:30 AM
3 days a week You gonna try and procure some more moda, tone?[/quote]
HEy man, ya know I've heard both that it will be easier and harder, so I guess it's just an individual thing. I'm looking at it like an mma opponent ha,ha.. I'm going to kick it's ass with studying like a banshee.
Seriously though, I'm thinking of going that route also. The Adra isn't a scheduled drug, so we'll be ok ordering it, and it's going to metabolize into what we want anyway. So I'll just be watching for any sides since there will be other things working around in our system.
From what I have heard it looks like it is smart to cycle it to avoid the sides. I'll probably pulse it on study days and tests/lectures etc.
Moda is up in the air right now, so that's another reason to go with the Adra route. I'll supplement that with the usual suspects too, ie: Vinpo, probably piracetam or anirace over the oxi for something different. I also want to see how the dopamine release of the other racetams feels.
Later bro,
TBN
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Epimetheus wrote:
physiology is gonna be cake. We’ll have to exchange notes. I’m gonna need to pick up some adrafinil for it, tho, since mine is at 7:30 AM
3 days a week You gonna try and procure some more moda, tone?
HEy man, ya know I've heard both that it will be easier and harder, so I guess it's just an individual thing. I'm looking at it like an mma opponent ha,ha.. I'm going to kick it's ass with studying like a banshee.
Seriously though, I'm thinking of going that route also. The Adra isn't a scheduled drug, so we'll be ok ordering it, and it's going to metabolize into what we want anyway. So I'll just be watching for any sides since there will be other things working around in our system.
From what I have heard it looks like it is smart to cycle it to avoid the sides. I'll probably pulse it on study days and tests/lectures etc.
Moda is up in the air right now, so that's another reason to go with the Adra route. I'll supplement that with the usual suspects too, ie: Vinpo, probably piracetam or anirace over the oxi for something different. I also want to see how the dopamine release of the other racetams feels.
Later bro,
TBN[/quote]
Sounds like a plan. I’m not sure if I want to invest in a new racetam yet, as I still have quite a bit of oxi left, but I’m gonna grab some adra for sure. Thinking about getting some tomorrow to help with studying for finals, too. I’ll definitely report back once I’ve decided whether I like it or not.
Hi Tone,
Thanks for the response. I think that there was one particular papraraph that hits home.
“I had burned so much weed for so long that it was getting me baked very quickly and short term memory was damn near immediately affected after toking. This was a reversal, as for a long time it wouldn’t be overly potent like that. That and it was actually starting to make me stutter slightly which was odd and very alarming to me also”.
This is exactly where I was when I finally gave up the habit. I have always concidered myself a fairly eloquent and verbose individual. But, towards the end of things, I noticed I had a really tough time getting words out of my mouth. I have never stuttered (regularly) in my life. But this stuff was making it difficult to form complete sentences. Oh well, it’s all over now, all I can do is hope to reverse, or get around some of the leftover fuzziness.
Hi Epimetheus,
Good eye. yes, the picture is of “Booze Hound”. It was either that picture or “Enrage” (red head with steam coming out). Booze Hound seemed better for this time of year (I always end up doing a bit of drinking during the holidays). Have you played Bioshock yet? I’m going through it for the second time now.
As far as the chemicals go, I think that will start with one for right now, to get a good feel for it. then I will move to the other (probably Moda second), to see just how much better it is. I think, since the compounds are so similar, the difference might be subtle. Does this sound like a fairly sound approach? I would like to try this with (almost), no other chemicals in my system.
I will keep posted for those who might be interested.
D3HT09
[quote]D3HT09 wrote:
Hi Epimetheus,
Good eye. yes, the picture is of “Booze Hound”. It was either that picture or “Enrage” (red head with steam coming out). Booze Hound seemed better for this time of year (I always end up doing a bit of drinking during the holidays). Have you played Bioshock yet? I’m going through it for the second time now.
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Just finished my second play through a couple days ago. It’s easily game of the year in my mind, although mass effect comes in close second. The ONLY problem I have with the game is the ending. It’s very unfulfilling. A 2 minute clip doesn’t really qualify as an ending, imo. Have you played it through on hard? Taking down the big daddies requires significantly more planning, which makes the encounters a lot more fun. I like to lure them right next to a turret then hit them with sustained bursts of liquid nitrogen while the turret slowly shatters them. Very cost effecient in comparison to using electric gel.
Alright, now back to the topic at hand. I just got some bacopa monnieri and kava kava. I was feeling the stress heavily yesterday, so I was relieved when I found the bacopa had arrived. It was definitely nice; I’ve been stressing out a lot recently, so my relationship with my cortisol levels has become quite intimate. It’s difficult to explain, but it seemed to block that sharp feeling you get in your gut when you think of something particularly stress-inducing. It didn’t eliminate the anxiety that was present before I took it, however, so it’s definitely something to take early in the morning. I took the kava kava a couple of hours before bed. I personally felt nothing out of the ordinary from it, but I took it shortly after a meal. I’m going to take another tonight on an empty stomach and see how that goes.