[quote]Dangles wrote:
Adderall is the only brain booster I’ve taken that’s had noticeable effects beyond placebo (as much as I love Biotest products, Power Drive didn’t do anything for me).
The best way to describe it is that it keeps you from being distracted or from falling asleep. And the the crazy thing is that you don’t really “feel” it working unless you are studying or working on something. Having it in your system while walking around or chatting with someone doesn’t give you any sort of sensation.
However, it’s not good to use it long term (I like it once in a while to help me study for exams and assignments for college). It apparently leads to weight loss (both muscle and fat), so if you are bulking or even cutting, you don’t want to do this stuff everyday.[/quote]
Dangles,
Did you have some caffeine w/ your PD?
I’ve noted some real synergy w/ it. Especially running Vinpo + PD + Caffeine.
Some say addy is catabolic to muscle tissue. While their is literature to back this up, much of it is purely speculative, probably nowhere near as bad as other catabolic agents - I think the weight/muscle loss that comes with addy use is purely because it is appetite suppressive, especially for me.
[quote]Mikael LS wrote:
So my nootropics just arrived the other day. I am currently on day three of the following regimen:
morning:
1000mg piracetam
1000mg choline citrate
10mg vinpocetine
My breakfast includes shredded wheat w/ milk, a lot of blueberries, an elderberry extract, creatine, vitamin d, fish oil + coffee.
Mid day:
1000mg piracetam
1000mg choline citrate
Evening
1000mg piracetam
1000mg choline citrate
ZMA tablet (which a plan on discontinuing since it contains valerian and hops extract)
I am planning on upping the dosage next week. Dont really feel anything yet, but I am dieting pretty hard right now and its probably attenuating the effects.[/quote]
Im not the resident expert on nootropics but have read every post in all 3 threads... Piracetam in my opinion is garbage. And at 2 grams a day its almost a sure thing you will not notice anything. Do yourself a favor and get some aniracetam, oxiracetam and sulbutamine. With those 3, you can make almost any daily situation a much smoother experience.[/quote]
Meh, for me I run 5g of pira.
I also combine that w/ 1 gram of DMAE, some tyrosine (or Power Drive in the past) and some caffeine.
I’m sure if I just ran some pithy stack of 2g of Pira and choline w/ nothing else I wouldn’t notice “huge effects” either.
[quote]Mikael LS wrote:
So my nootropics just arrived the other day. I am currently on day three of the following regimen:
morning:
1000mg piracetam
1000mg choline citrate
10mg vinpocetine
My breakfast includes shredded wheat w/ milk, a lot of blueberries, an elderberry extract, creatine, vitamin d, fish oil + coffee.
Mid day:
1000mg piracetam
1000mg choline citrate
Evening
1000mg piracetam
1000mg choline citrate
ZMA tablet (which a plan on discontinuing since it contains valerian and hops extract)
I am planning on upping the dosage next week. Dont really feel anything yet, but I am dieting pretty hard right now and its probably attenuating the effects.[/quote]
Im not the resident expert on nootropics but have read every post in all 3 threads... Piracetam in my opinion is garbage. And at 2 grams a day its almost a sure thing you will not notice anything. Do yourself a favor and get some aniracetam, oxiracetam and sulbutamine. With those 3, you can make almost any daily situation a much smoother experience.[/quote]
Meh, for me I run 5g of pira.
I also combine that w/ 1 gram of DMAE, some tyrosine (or Power Drive in the past) and some caffeine.
I’m sure if I just ran some pithy stack of 2g of Pira and choline w/ nothing else I wouldn’t notice “huge effects” either. [/quote]
5g of piracetam? Is that in one hit or spread through out the day? I’ve not tried it in those size doses so sort of wrote it off but still have some lying around. not all that keen on having to shovel grams of the stuff in every day, but really want to see what the fuss is about as i have had no effect from it, and ani just wipes be out. i really wish it worked.
Hey ritch, appreciate your input. I actually have all of those, but the reason i am starting up on pira is that it did wonders for my memory a year or two ago (see? i cant even remember anymore). I have been upping the dose to 2g in the morning, and i might do the same for the evening dose = 5g/day all in all. Also, i think i will up the vinpo for 20mg/day. I am reserving the ani for special occasions and im staying away from the oxi as i am anxious enough as it is.
Roweski, good to know. The reason im going so high is studies on rats suggesting the equal combination is much superior to the drugs by themselves, but i guess only so much choline is needed. I will cut it down a little. The initial headaches have also subsided, so i guess im good.
Wise guy, yeah im definatly increasing the dosage of pira. I am feeling some suble effects already though, having an easier time jugling numbers around without mixing it all up. Nothing outrageous yet.
Keep us posted Mikael (crazy waist to shoulder ratio you got there…) I find vinpocetine is best used pre workout with food. Ive tried taking another dose later on in the day, but cant say I`ve ever noticed anything. I took another dose because I was working that night and was taking 800mg of oxi with 500mg of ani and 200mg of sulbutiamine. That stuff when you have some tyrosine and dmae in you from a previous dose is rocket fuel for the mind.
I will (and its a lucky angle i guess). Im thinking about just adding another 10mg of vinpo for my mid day dose (which is coincidentally just before my workout).
Tommorrow i will take a sulbutiamine for breakfast since Im doing a lot of important lab work tomorrow. 100s of samples, several different protocols - we’ll see how well the noops fare for this one. I was actually planning on doing some ani, but when i did it the other day, i really zoned out after a few hours. I dont want that to happen for a day like tomorrow.
Im having trouble falling asleep btw, and i think it might be the noops. I know im not the first one reporting this, so does anyone have any tips? Should i do my last dose of pira further away from bedtime maybe?
Gaba helps me sleep. Work your way up to 5 grams. Other stuff like 5htp or st john`s wort work very well but are natural anti depressants so keep that in mind if you dabble in them.
Or you could just lower or take your last dose of pira earlier, but any stimulant effects that may have on you, I don`t think will last very long.
[quote]Dangles wrote:
Adderall is the only brain booster I’ve taken that’s had noticeable effects beyond placebo (as much as I love Biotest products, Power Drive didn’t do anything for me).
The best way to describe it is that it keeps you from being distracted or from falling asleep. And the the crazy thing is that you don’t really “feel” it working unless you are studying or working on something. Having it in your system while walking around or chatting with someone doesn’t give you any sort of sensation.
However, it’s not good to use it long term (I like it once in a while to help me study for exams and assignments for college). It apparently leads to weight loss (both muscle and fat), so if you are bulking or even cutting, you don’t want to do this stuff everyday.[/quote]
Adderall is not a “Brain booster” It’s an amphetamine. it shoots cortisol/cathecholamine levels through the room and those chemicals help you get shit done but are terrible for actual learning. They literally inhibit the learning pathways.
[quote]ritch1 wrote:
Gaba helps me sleep. Work your way up to 5 grams. Other stuff like 5htp or st john`s wort work very well but are natural anti depressants so keep that in mind if you dabble in them.
Or you could just lower or take your last dose of pira earlier, but any stimulant effects that may have on you, I don`t think will last very long.[/quote]
Seconded, GABA is great. I don’t use that much, but I combine it with other agents of sleep:
[quote]ritch1 wrote:
Gaba helps me sleep. Work your way up to 5 grams. Other stuff like 5htp or st john`s wort work very well but are natural anti depressants so keep that in mind if you dabble in them.
Or you could just lower or take your last dose of pira earlier, but any stimulant effects that may have on you, I don`t think will last very long.[/quote]
Seconded, GABA is great. I don’t use that much, but I combine it with other agents of sleep:
5-HTP
L-Glycine
Melatonin
Chamomile tea[/quote]
I always found regular GABA to be useless. I wanted to find out why, so I did some digging around on it.
Apparently, GABA doesn’t cross the BBB very well, thus it doesn’t lead to increased levels of GABA in the brain on any appreciable level.
PhGABA, a derivative of GABA, does cross the BBB well. This in turn will dial down excited neurons and exhibit a calming effect on the CNS.
I’ve found this to be spot on when trying the two substances. Some will say “Just use more GABA” - upwards of several grams.
I’m not sure this is entirely a good idea. Using 2 to 3 times (or more) of an inferior compound to make up for its lack if efficacy to me seems, well, dumb.
I can use 1/4 of the amount of PhGABA and get an even better effect.
Does anyone have any experience with Pramiracetam, Centrophenoxine, Dihydroergotoxine (Ergotox), or Selegiline? If so, how have your experiences been? I’m particularly interested in Prami and Centro - dosing suggestions, when to take, what kind of study to pair with them, etc.
Haven’t been a big contributor to these threads (they’re kind of messy and hard to make heads or tails of the info). With that said BBB sold me on vinpo, aniracetam, and DMAE. I take Adderal as well for ADHD, but am trying to secure a prescription from my doc for Modafinil.
Most of the the others I have just read the research BBB directed me to, but DMAE’s effects I experienced first-hand. I was studying for the crushingly taxing LSAT and had been basically spinning my wheels for the several weeks leading up to the test. I had been actually regressing somewhat due to burnout and it was showing on my practice tests.
BBB suggested that due to the Adderall I was probably running on empty with choline. I took DMAE and it was literally as if a fog had lifted from my mind.
Granted this is one situatuon and is completely uncontrolled, but I felt a serious difference and ended up scoring in the 90th percentile.
[quote]Fiction wrote:
Amazon carries the cheapest vinpo I’ve seen and at Cognitive Health you can buy aniracetam in 1 kg bulk for $350.[/quote]
While thats all great, thats for the heads up - but thats only for experienced users.
Meaning, I wouldn’t recommend someone go out and buy any nootropic in that amount, and spend that much $$$, w/out extensive experience using it, and knowing it works well.
I know, you would think that this should go w/out saying, but you’d be surprised
Optimum Nutrition High Potency Stress B-Complex + Vitamin C
I have experience using all of them except the Alpha-GPC. I’m wondering if the following protocol would be wise (and let me know the right dose for A-GPC):
-3x 600mg Ani with 150mg active DMAE (Replace one dose of Ani with Oxi, 700mg, for intense study sessions that involve memorization)
-1 gram of Alpha-GPC 90 minutes pre work out
-3x 10mg of Vinpo
-50-100mcg Hup-A EOD
-B-complex spit into 2 doses a day
-15 grams fish oil
-Liberal amounts of green tea
Am I missing anything? Are the choline sources too much or too little? How about the racetams?
