Yes…I don’t think pira is officially banned in U.S. but some suppliers have received threatening letters from the FDA so have discontinued carrying it out of fear…I have found it popping up at 2 or 3 different suppliers in the past year.
Is there an explanation for why it’s banned? Was there some research that came to the conclusion it was harmful?
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
[quote]Defekt wrote:
Be liberal with the ach precursors, especially the higher the dose of ani. [/quote]
about to buy 180g ANI. running low on DMAE, but just wondering exactly how liberal you really mean?
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My personal rule of thumb based on how I react: Take at least as much DMAE as aniracetam.
With the Fall Semester finished up I wanted to update everyone about my Nootropic regimen. First off, I was able to finish with a 3.46 for the Semester (A in Neuropharm, A- in Independent Research, B Organic Chem, B+ Latin). All of this was done while my father was in the hospital with pneumonia and alcohol withdrawals.
Ani- 750mg (x3)
Oxi (800mg x1 take before I study every night from 9-2am)
citicholine- increased aggression and ability to evaluate social situations
Alpha GPC- great first few days than lost effectiveness
Choline Bitartrate- cheap and my current “go to” until I can find something more effective
DMAE- seriously increased my verbal acuity, but wasn’t as effective overall as the choline bitartrate
Fish Oils- seriously stabilize my mood
Piracetam- Made me hypomanic after 2 days ( When on piracetam all I would do is constantly jerk off) It got dropped.
AlCAR- solid
cabergoline- made me hypomanic- dropped but concentration was unreal. (Would jerk off more than when on Piracetam).
Pyritinol- never felt better first day I took it, ultimate in logic and reasoning. Next day and further experimentation lead to sleepiness.
DISALLOWED- Cool for the first month then felt like it beat my body down too much (lose of appetite) Recently dropped.
After my last final I have taken a week off Nootropics. I experienced NO physical withdrawal symptoms, but due to the mode I had been in all semester I noticed my mind telling me to take some Ani and go study for the MCAT, on Christmas no less. Just a thought though no craving. I tried to study while off Nootropics and it was like trying to lift after I came off a cycle- I can do it, but it was not as effective and not enjoyable. I started up Ani again today and the effects are even better with that week off.
I’m debating about what to do next. I think one thing I lacked was a solid dosing schedule and predetermined regimen. So, for the Winter once I decide on my choline source I’ll be more on point with only certain noots at specific times. Following a strict regimen as opposed to taking more when I can’t “feel” it sounds better for the sake of neuroplasticity. I’ll also be adding in rALA and possibly ginko.
Suggestions? With some serious past drug abuse (ghb) I was considering Centro might be in order although I am only 23. Moda is def out of the picture so morning energy has been coffee recently, but I want something better than caffeine.
My advice would be to find what works for you. If you feel like shit stop beating your head against the wall and switch up what you are using. If you find yourself forgetful in anyway- up the choline or change the source. Noots work you just have to be willing to put in the time.
NRP
Good job NuRhoPsi
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
Is there an explanation for why it’s banned? Was there some research that came to the conclusion it was harmful?[/quote]
No…pira has a decades long record of safety…I believe the drug companies are behind this because they are working on something new that they can patent and make hugely profitable.
[quote]kakno wrote:
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
[quote]Defekt wrote:
Be liberal with the ach precursors, especially the higher the dose of ani. [/quote]
about to buy 180g ANI. running low on DMAE, but just wondering exactly how liberal you really mean?
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My personal rule of thumb based on how I react: Take at least as much DMAE as aniracetam. [/quote]
i’ll start around there, then. thanks!
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]NuRhoPsi wrote:
With some serious past drug abuse (ghb) I was considering Centro might be in order although I am only 23.
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GHB is possibly the least ‘dirty’ rec drug one could take, since it breaks down into water. Having said that, you must be aware that street GHB ain’t exactly regulated and screened for ‘unwanted additives’, lol.
BBB[/quote]
Yes, but due to the GABAb receptor stimulation and subsequent dependence ceasing of use, in 2007, led me to have a seizure and hallucinate for 3 days (DTs). Similar to that of alcohol withdrawal, but benzo’s do not help with GHB withdrawal as they only stimulate GABAa receptors.
Backlofen is the only drug to stimulate the GABAb receptor, but try telling that to your typical ER resident drone. After all this, continued use led to 2 overdoses. Now I’m premed at one of the best Universities on the East Coast- go figure. Between GHB “runs” I’d stay up for weeks on coke and ecstasy- probably the most neurotoxic combo besides DXM and ecstasy.
Ok wow when you put it like that Centro is in order. Could this function as my choline source as it is “super charged DMAE”? BBB didn’t you do a 1 month run with Centro and say it really helped?
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Good job NuRhoPsi[/quote]
Thank you. Any experience with Centro? Any recommendations for a stable choline source?
[quote]NuRhoPsi wrote:
Moda is def out of the picture so morning energy has been coffee recently, but I want something better than caffeine.
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have you ever tried geranium?
works very well for me at first, then drastically loses effectiveness after 2 weeks or so
[quote]NuRhoPsi wrote:
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Good job NuRhoPsi[/quote]
Thank you. Any experience with Centro? Any recommendations for a stable choline source? [/quote]
I went through BBBs centro protocol(work up to 3g/day for 21 days), except I did it for closer to a month b/c I had purchased 90 grams(no sense in wasting it). I don’t think I’d use it as a ACh source, but that’s only b/c of cost, and not effectiveness.
I’ve been using DMAE for quite some time now. IME, it has definitely helped with mental clarity, and lifting me out of my afternoon brain fog/sleepiness when I need it to.
I also take regular naps/shut eye time when studying. Usually go for 25-30 minutes studying something, then 10 minutes of shuteye, mentally reviewing what I just read. But this really depends on the material(better for memorization, like biology instead of physics/calculus).
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]middleageguy wrote:
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
Is there an explanation for why it’s banned? Was there some research that came to the conclusion it was harmful?[/quote]
No…pira has a decades long record of safety…I believe the drug companies are behind this because they are working on something new that they can patent and make hugely profitable.[/quote]
Bingo!
BBB[/quote]
Yes! the FDA knows it cannot ban a nutritional supplement that has been sold in US for last 30 years without any safety problems, yet companies bow to their threats and pressure because they do not want to incur any court and legal costs necessary to fight them. Companies do have to be careful about making drug-like claims and effects for their products in order to not draw the scrutiny of the FDA.
[quote]NuRhoPsi wrote:
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Good job NuRhoPsi[/quote]
Thank you. Any experience with Centro? Any recommendations for a stable choline source? [/quote]
I did Centro too with Aniracetam and Vinpocetine.
I was doing
3 x 1 gram of centro a day
2 x 750 mg Aniracetam a day first 2 meals
3 x 10-20 mg of Vinpocetine a day.
I did Centro for 20 days, (had 60 grams) definitely noticed a difference when I switched to DMAE. Had a lot of energy, really too much on the centro. I started slowing a bit once I got to the end of the 20 days but I definitely noticed a difference switching to DMAE and being a bit normal like before. But judging by what you said maybe I should up the DMAE from 1/4 tsp to 3/8 or 1/2.
Overall, I’ve had a lot of hit and miss while on these nootropics in regards to memory. It seemed more difficult to recall information that was years old. I would easily blank on stuff that should have been easy to remember. While newer information was much easier to recall than before but not always. I’m still going to keep on trying it out though for now.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]middleageguy wrote:
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
Is there an explanation for why it’s banned? Was there some research that came to the conclusion it was harmful?[/quote]
No…pira has a decades long record of safety…I believe the drug companies are behind this because they are working on something new that they can patent and make hugely profitable.[/quote]
Bingo!
BBB[/quote]
I wonder if it’s some scheming related to Vyvanse lol. From what I’ve read, there’s a lot of pressure to make that the new pharmaceutical option of choice for the ADD/ADHD crowd and the company behind it is trying to edge out other options.
On another note, I’m going to jump in and try out BBB’s basic noop stack for the first time. I’m going into my second semester of senior year in college and I plan to head off to law school next year. I’ve maintained good grades for the most part, but my grades in test based classes (luckily most of mine are essay-based lol) are noticeably lower. My ability to retain and recall information absolutely sucks- even if I force myself to read everything for a class, I just lose it within a day or two. Information retention will be much more critical in law school, not to mention the fact that I want my money’s worth if I’m taking on that kind of debt. Hopefully this stack will do the trick. Thanks for the info BBB, looking forward to getting the noops in the mail!
EDIT: Found the answer about Hup A. Will not be including that anymore. Is there a revised basic no-op stack that I should be looking into, or will I do fine with just the vinpocetine and DMAE? Thanks
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
[quote]Defekt wrote:
Be liberal with the ach precursors, especially the higher the dose of ani. [/quote]
about to buy 180g ANI. running low on DMAE, but just wondering exactly how liberal you really mean?
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Well, I was already using 3g of Alpha GPC to facilitate my training habits, 1g prior to working out, 1g after, and 1g after my second session of the day, before bed.
With aniracetam added in I have started using choline throughout the day too. I can tell when I am starting to feel tired, or having even the slightest difficulty focusing that I am running low on ACH. Choline is effective, and cheaper so you can use it a little more frequently.
I dose that 3x a day at “a spoonful” and take my gpc before I work out in the morning, and pre bed. The added choline throughout the day is enough to recover from the morning training session.