Dont ask how I got it but let me just say that Vyvanse (lisdexamfetmine) is a fricking amazing nootropic! Yes its prescription and yes its used for both child and adult ADHD matters primarily.
I did some homework on how it works, what it does, its side effects, concurrent drug interactions, methods of action, clearance rates etc…etc…
I was taking the standard 30mg dose with breakfast and within about 45 minutes you feel it hitting you pretty clearly. I cant really describe its feelings but if you saw the movie Limitless with Bradly Cooper, its kinda like that. Now I do not nor have I been diagnosed with any form of ADHD but for all I care most Americans to some level have ADHD be it mild, sporadic or intermittently. Only recently have Doctors begun to throw pills at the issues like it were tic-tacs for bad breath! Thats just my humble opinion…
My focus, drive, ambition, productivity, energy, mental acuity, memory, speed of thought and mental cognition all went through the roof while using this item. My energy during workouts was sick start to end!
Doses go much higher then 30mg a day so this was a mild dosing schedule I used for the 2 week supply I had.
Now I did not have any real idea of what benefits or drawbacks the meds would have once I was on it since I am not one who suffers from ADHD (that I know of) so I left the door open to take what ever I got from it.
I have no idea what this costs but as a guy who has never been stoned in his life, only been shit faced drink enough times to count on 1 hand, this is a item I would be willing to go rouge with and find a way to keep a stock of without question!
Anyone else used Vyvanse before or currently? Had similar benefits?
Anyone else used Vyvanse before or currently? Had similar benefits?
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Honestly never been a fan of any of the ADHD drugs (and honestly never saw how they would help ADHD that much to begin with…).
They’re just powerful stimulants, I’ve never felt like the retention was superior to what I get with racetams and a small amount of caffeine.
That said, everything else pales in comparison when you need a drug to help you just get shit done.
Writing a paper? Best drug for the job.
Need to clean house/laundry/errands? It’ll make you speed through it.
Need to remember everything you study for anatomy? Not so much.
If you jack the sympathetic NS up too much you will actually inhibit long-term memory formation (running from lions and memorizing shit don’t go hand-in-hand from an evolutionary perspective).
[quote]CraigGold55 wrote:
Thanks BBB. I decided to try the protocol would outlined for help with my Chinese course and man, it’s making learning a new language THAT much easier. Thanks again.[/quote]
Where can I see this protocol? There are so many different things out there to try, I am confused where to start and how to dose it correctly. I would appreciate if BBB or someone else would point me into the right direction.
[quote]La Crosse Grad wrote:
Dont ask how I got it but let me just say that Vyvanse (lisdexamfetmine) is a fricking amazing nootropic! Yes its prescription and yes its used for both child and adult ADHD matters primarily.
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I have not used Vyvanse.
However, although it may qualify as a “Brain Booster” (the title of this thread), I don’t think it is properly called a “nootropic”. From Wikipedia page on nootropics Nootropic - Wikipedia
"The word “nootropic” has been abused by researchers who wish to promote a certain drug as side-effect free. The word was first coined by Corneliu E. Giurgea in 1972. He stated that nootropic drugs should:
Enhance learning and memory
Enhance the resistance of learned behaviors or memories to conditions that tend to disrupt them (e.g., electroconvulsive shock, hypoxia)
Protect the brain against various physical or chemical injuries (e.g., barbiturates, scopalamine)
Increase the efficacy of the tonic cortical/subcortical control mechanisms
Lack the usual pharmacology of other psychotropic drugs (e.g., sedation, motor stimulation), and possess very few side effects and extremely low toxicity."
The Wikipedia page has a subsection on stimulants, which lists Vyvanse. However, it also says “They generally have a very substantial side-effect profile and are not considered classical “nootropic” drugs.”
[quote]La Crosse Grad wrote:
Dont ask how I got it but let me just say that Vyvanse (lisdexamfetmine) is a fricking amazing nootropic! Yes its prescription and yes its used for both child and adult ADHD matters primarily.
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I have not used Vyvanse.
However, although it may qualify as a “Brain Booster” (the title of this thread), I don’t think it is properly called a “nootropic”. From Wikipedia page on nootropics Nootropic - Wikipedia
"The word “nootropic” has been abused by researchers who wish to promote a certain drug as side-effect free. The word was first coined by Corneliu E. Giurgea in 1972. He stated that nootropic drugs should:
Enhance learning and memory
Enhance the resistance of learned behaviors or memories to conditions that tend to disrupt them (e.g., electroconvulsive shock, hypoxia)
Protect the brain against various physical or chemical injuries (e.g., barbiturates, scopalamine)
Increase the efficacy of the tonic cortical/subcortical control mechanisms
Lack the usual pharmacology of other psychotropic drugs (e.g., sedation, motor stimulation), and possess very few side effects and extremely low toxicity."
The Wikipedia page has a subsection on stimulants, which lists Vyvanse. However, it also says “They generally have a very substantial side-effect profile and are not considered classical “nootropic” drugs.”
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An excellent post, because it’s what I would have said if I could be bothered, ha.
Said it before; stims are not true nootropics. In fact, IMO they are anti-nootropics, since cortisol elevation is ultimately counterproductive to brain anatomy and memory formation.
BBB[/quote]
Good argument and yes, if you look at method of action vs pure physiological outcomes, yes, a stim is not a nootropic agent strictly speaking.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
What’s a good chioce here?
(1)centrophenoxine (alone)
(2)centrophenoxine + one of the ‘tams’.
(3)centrophenoxine + DMAE (even though centro converts partially to DMAE)[/quote]
Centro, racetam (aniracetam is my favorite for everyday, most-of-the-day increases in clarity) and DMAE (it’s pretty cheap and will prevent you from becoming deficient in choline, which is fairly unpleasant).
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
What’s a good chioce here?
(1)centrophenoxine (alone)
(2)centrophenoxine + one of the ‘tams’.
(3)centrophenoxine + DMAE (even though centro converts partially to DMAE)[/quote]
The only noopstack (hey, that kinda sounds like scoobysnack) that I’ve tried was centro, vinpo, and piracetam; I quite liked it. Basic, not too expensive, nice intro to the noops. The other 'tams are more targeted, from what I’ve read on these here threads. (I was already taking b-complex, niacin, and pantothenic acid.)
So bump on some of my experiences here… I’m still on page 40 of 1.0, and have like 10 pages of notes on different compounds. Anyhow my experiences:
Spike - Holy shit. Awesome dopamine boost for my hockey games. Combined with Power Drive I was super human.
A stack I used to get A’s while hardly studying:
Choline Bitartrate - ~7 or 8 grams
Piracetam - ~5g? (I’ll go check later)
I got a 3.7 that semester drinking that daily combined with some BCAA’s and creatine in a half gallon jug. Of course, most of my classes were intro classes. I only studied for one class and that was Food and Nutiriton.
Most recently I’ve been experimenting with chocamine with mixed success.
Great:
Holy shit workouts. I’m a bit of susceptible to caffeine’s effects. So this is expected. It also gives me energy deeper than caffeine it seems. I haven’t been taking it during classes or anything though. I’ll throw in small amounts of piracetam and choline bitartrate with it for a little extra boost. (like 2 g piracetam and 3 grams choline)
Drawback:
Stuff gives me the shits DURING my workouts from taking it pre workout. Although I think this wasn’t quite the chocamine’s fault. Granted caffeine will stimulate a bowel movement when I hook up strong coffee too. But I’m talking about shitting 3-4 times and it’s basically just diarrhea. Although I think I found out this is from lactose intolerance and fructose intolerance combined into the same meal combined with a NS stimulant. So without the high levels of pineapple or milk in my oats I don’t seem to be getting this issue.
Got so much other stuff I want to share as far as brain boosting goes. But I’ll save it for another post. Still got like 70 pages to catch up on!
I’m looking for a high quality supplier of Aniracetam, Vinpocetine and DMAE. I’m in Canada but can ship to a receiver across the border. Please PM information.
Aniracetam 3X ED 600-700mg
Vinpo 3X ED 600-700mg
DMAE roughly 1/4 tsp everytime with the others.
PRN:
Nicotine patches. (1/6 of a 21mg patch).
Oxiracetam. (~800 mg per dose).
Huperzine A. (50mcg).
Things I intend to try this upcoming semester:
Galatamine: used for Alzheimers patients for acetylcholinesterase inhibition, curious how it stacks up against Hup A.
Centrophenoxine: I haven’t exactly abused my brain but the protective effects and general tune-up effects seem like a good idea before a semester of abuse.
More Prami: I’m still on the fence if it has higher efficacy in short term use then Oxi, it’s certainly effective, but I’m not sure how effective.
Experimenting with replacing caffeine highs and lows with low dose 1,3-dimethylamylamine which seems to have less of a rough let-down.
Figured a quick update from a guy who’s been on them pretty consistently for about 2 years might be useful.
Take home message is that not much beats the basics.