[quote]Professor X wrote:
I don’t use full rom for chest presses. Am I reading right that some of you actually think this is wrong now?[/quote]
Just a question, you’re going to just above touching closer to an inch or so away right? TUT. I’ve recently started doing that and not full lock outs except on the last few heavy reps to catch my breath. This has increased DOMS for sure time will tell how my chest will respond.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I don’t use full rom for chest presses. Am I reading right that some of you actually think this is wrong now?[/quote]
Of course it is “wrong” if you use it as ammo to brag about how sick your 1RM is.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I don’t use full rom for chest presses. Am I reading right that some of you actually think this is wrong now?[/quote]
If you were to compare your max bench press with that of somebody else, do you think it would be fair to use partial ROM?
I usually do them just a few centimeters above my chest… any lower than that and I find myself in a very unfavorable position mechanically. I figure that if my chest was just a little bit bigger, or if I did a higher arch, the bar would hit my chest anyway.
So I don’t see how touching the chest magically makes the exercise more potent or correct, since the distance the bar travels will vary so much from person to person anyway based on arm length etc. I remember being stuck at 100 kgs for a long time. Once I allowed myself to “cheat” a few centimeters my bench went up 20 kgs in a matter of weeks, and kept progressing steadily from there. Now I can touch my chest with a lot more than 100 kgs 
90 degrees though sounds more like a lockout exercise to me.
[quote]anonym wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I don’t use full rom for chest presses. Am I reading right that some of you actually think this is wrong now?[/quote]
Of course it is “wrong” if you use it as ammo to brag about how sick your 1RM is.[/quote]
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I don’t use full rom for chest presses. Am I reading right that some of you actually think this is wrong now?[/quote]
If you were to compare your max bench press with that of somebody else, do you think it would be fair to use partial ROM?[/quote]
…and that’s the point.
Sure, it might work well for you. But in no way are the two variations the same, for one requires minimal ROM thus making it EASIER to accomplish with more weight than would be done with a traditional ROM.
Period.
…people are doing two completely different exercises, with those who do it the easier way wanting the same credit as those who do it the harder way.
Who’s the next dumb motherfucker that’s going to say partial reps for squats are equal to ATG squats?
…the same principle applies as to which one is the harder exercise…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I don’t use full rom for chest presses. Am I reading right that some of you actually think this is wrong now?[/quote]
I think we can agree that whatever range of motion stimulates your chest most effectively is the ROM you should be using in regards to hypertrophy. However, when comparing two peoples 1 rep max, there should be at least some guidlines as to how the exercise is performed and easiest way to keep things fair with regard to benching is to have both parties touch their chests while performing their max. It’s not cool when two people are comparing lifts and they have similar numbers but someone keeps to themselves that they are doing the lift differently…Funny though that this shit comes up only on the internet, anyone benching 5 plates is strong as fuck and that is clear offline an in the gym.
But, to restate what i have said earlier, I have seen plenty of pros touch their chest benching, and an equal amount stopping an inch or two short and both sets of dudes have had some massive chests…Everyone has to do what works best for them, 2 individuals comparing a max should perform the lift with the same type of form.
Don’t brag in the first place.
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
[quote]guel0013 wrote:
Does bringing the bar down until your arms are 90 degrees, without touching the chest, deserve bragging rights as your 1 rep bench max?[/quote]
It deserves the same amount of bragging rights as the ones who have “spotters” lift half the weight
But don’t worry, when you finally manage a legitimate 400lbs+ bench, you’ll be old enough to not brag LOL[/quote]
^^This.
Side Note: you benching 4bills these days its_just_me?
.greg.[/quote]
Well I stopped when I got to about 320 because I discovered the benefits of dumbbell benching (could feel the pecs better). Also, me and my training partner sometimes have different shift patterns at work so we don’t always get to train together (have a garage gym) and spot each other (like for the barbel bench press). I must admit though, 320 was quit a big sticking point for me.
How about yourself?[/quote]
Oh i hear ya on the DB’s… Ive been doing the DB’s for my bench/variations for a while now and I feel it in my chest a lot more as well. I did flat bench yesterday though and managed to put up 315x3 but I dont really know what my 1rm is?
I wish I could get 400 though… that would be awesome! Some day though… hopefully 
.greg.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I don’t use full rom for chest presses. Am I reading right that some of you actually think this is wrong now?[/quote]
Whatever gets you results without causing injury is the right way. Reasonable people cannot argue this point.
However, if you’re going around and throwing your numbers out there, you need to specify partial rom if thats what you are using.
No one, who knows what they are talking about, will think less of you for getting impressive results from partial rom. Just don’t be deceitful.
So I think everyone in this thread is in agreement…
Partial ROM is perfectly fine if its getting you the results you’re after
If you’re going to brag about your 1rm it has to be full ROM (even though most agree bragging about it makes you sound like a douche)
.greg.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I don’t use full rom for chest presses. Am I reading right that some of you actually think this is wrong now?[/quote]
You may grow by not touching your chest, but 9/10 times when someon in the gym does not touch his chest is due to ignorance or inflated ego. So in that aspect, I think it’s good advice that when someone benches, he MUST touch his chest. If he is like seven foot, or want a shorter range of motion etc he always can floor press, or board/phonebook press.
Or we can all stop the dick measuring and penis waving and train to grow our muscles. 1 rep maxes are pointless to begin with, in regards to bodybuilding.
Fuck it, I said it.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Or we can all stop the dick measuring and penis waving and train to grow our muscles. 1 rep maxes are pointless to begin with, in regards to bodybuilding.
Fuck it, I said it.[/quote]
*high five
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Or we can all stop the dick measuring and penis waving and train to grow our muscles. 1 rep maxes are pointless to begin with, in regards to bodybuilding.
Fuck it, I said it.[/quote]
But… but I like waving my penis around. Why do you have to make it seem so… so negative.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Or we can all stop the dick measuring and penis waving and train to grow our muscles. 1 rep maxes are pointless to begin with, in regards to bodybuilding.
Fuck it, I said it.[/quote]
Exactly. Why the fuck would anyone after making the most progress give a shit about their one rep max unless they were specifically training for powerlifting?
[quote]desolator wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I don’t use full rom for chest presses. Am I reading right that some of you actually think this is wrong now?[/quote]
You may grow by not touching your chest, but 9/10 times when someon in the gym does not touch his chest is due to ignorance or inflated ego. So in that aspect, I think it’s good advice that when someone benches, he MUST touch his chest. If he is like seven foot, or want a shorter range of motion etc he always can floor press, or board/phonebook press.[/quote]
This is retarded. You can also look at the same fucking people and tell who has big chest muscles and who doesn’t. We aren’t talking about some fucking clueless newb here.
if the guy is 250+lbs with arms as big as your legs, shut the fuck up about his form.
Further, why the hell is anyone in a bodybuilding forum bragging about a ONE REP MAX???
I use HS machines for most of my chest training. I also have stated many times the weight I use FOR REPS (which usually means the weight I use for my last set up to 8 times or more…NOT ONCE).
Most of you this concerned about form ARE NOT BIG AT ALL so why does your opinion matter so much?
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Or we can all stop the dick measuring and penis waving and train to grow our muscles. 1 rep maxes are pointless to begin with, in regards to bodybuilding.
Fuck it, I said it.[/quote]
Ditto
I never have touched my chest for Benchpress - why exactly is that important? The bar goes down to about a fist width.
[quote]get_ate wrote:
[quote]anonym wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I don’t use full rom for chest presses. Am I reading right that some of you actually think this is wrong now?[/quote]
Of course it is “wrong” if you use it as ammo to brag about how sick your 1RM is.[/quote]
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I don’t use full rom for chest presses. Am I reading right that some of you actually think this is wrong now?[/quote]
If you were to compare your max bench press with that of somebody else, do you think it would be fair to use partial ROM?[/quote]
…and that’s the point.
Sure, it might work well for you. But in no way are the two variations the same, for one requires minimal ROM thus making it EASIER to accomplish with more weight than would be done with a traditional ROM.
Period.
…people are doing two completely different exercises, with those who do it the easier way wanting the same credit as those who do it the harder way.
Who’s the next dumb motherfucker that’s going to say partial reps for squats are equal to ATG squats?
…the same principle applies as to which one is the harder exercise…[/quote]
Easier to accomplish? if I am using 450lbs on an hs machine, it isn’t easier because I stopped before touching my chest. My whole goal is to work my chest muscles. Touching my chest is a fucking REST POSITION. Further, I see more people BOUNCING the bar than anything else which IS making it easier.
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I don’t use full rom for chest presses. Am I reading right that some of you actually think this is wrong now?[/quote]
If you were to compare your max bench press with that of somebody else, do you think it would be fair to use partial ROM?[/quote]
Max bench press? When I use this term I am talking about my last set using my heaviest weight FOR REPS. I have never since I’ve typed on this forum been referring to what I could do for only one rep with a spotter.
past that, why the fuck would I be comparing my bench press to someone else unless this was a powerlifting comp?
Why would I care what someone else is doing if I list what I can do?
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
If you have to ask you are probably a douchebag.[/quote]
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
Absolutely not. The bar must touch your chest.[/quote]
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
IMO, no it doesn’t. I don’t know what to call it. Maybe a partial rep or whatever but it’s misleading to say you can bench X amount of weight if you’re not doing a full ROM. 90 degrees is not even close.[/quote]
Maybe, but then there are fat asses like Dave Tate that have a 6" ROM anyway, while normal people have over 2 feet, so it blurs the line of what’s acceptable and what’s not to me.
Quote from the bench press 600 pounds article, published here. He may tuck in all he want, he still was a fat ass :