Boxing Help

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[quote]Judas wrote:
to the dude who said u cant increase punching powder your a dumb cunt, fuck off with that shit, fucking idiot, the chin part is truish.

you can increase and i have punching power by

learning proper footwork

geting stronger eg weight lifting

hitting a heavy bag as hard as you can for a work out eg, 20 of every punch as hard as you possibly can one following another rest repeat (make sure you strap your hands really well)

hitting a really heavy bag and slowly increasing the weight of a bag as you move it more and more aka how mike tysons trainer made his punch so strong (its in a documentry narated by Ice t i dont know the name, the old white guy from catskills talks about using this technique)

do all that and you will get your results, just make sure you strap your hands really well and use 16 ounce gloves to hit the heavy bags , bag mits are for retarts and women for real protect those hands.[/quote]

hey retard…I bet your 1 of them UFC fans…most fakes are… increasing the weight of the bag ? lol your fucking dope no one made mike tyson punch hard…lol you are born with ya punch… end of story…go buy Lee Haneys book…(more proof muscles mean shit)…in his own words he stated at a cost of like $3000 a week,he trained Holyfield to go from 188 to heavyweight…and he says,and I quote " I had NOTHING to do with his punching power…you are a moron and 100% a geek who never had a real fight in his life…lol you can tell your a goof…‘strap’ your hands ? mits are the #1 tool used by the worlds best. wow…how stupid can you be…lol unless you have something smart to say…I wil not bother to reply…any one with a brain knows ya a dope…

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lol there was no reason to “come out swinging” with apost like that Judas (my sad attempt to make a joke there).

It’s just hard to agree with not being able to increase punching power…now I know some guys who have gained weight and still hit worth shit. No snap to anythin.
I’ve gained a lot of weight since then…I’m damn near 210lbs now. have I increased power?
Well my strength has DRAMTICALLY increased…the whole time I was training I actually wasnt training to get bigger…just stronger…I always trained my fighting (muay thai) 5x a week.
I just feel with the increased strength and all my power has definaetly improved.
I feel that if you take a person with natural power in their hands, and they gain weight and strength there’s got to be some increase.

Now at my weight though…since I have natural power in my hands…I’ve always “felt” I’ve had good mechanics for boxing also…well at almost 210lbs I have the weight to pack a punch…with my snap and technique…someones bound to get KO.
Other things I think will help punching power in people who AALREADY…ALREADY have good punching power…is
being able to shift weight from foot to foot properly to distrubte weight properly.
perhpas having a good vertical jump because you use everything from the feet and being explosive in that aspect may help…
I could be completely wrong about all this, but it’s true some people are born just being able to pack a punch.
Someone who can’t punch worth shit…will increase their punching power…but probably never to brutal KO’s from one hits…someone who can already hit hard and gets trained well…they have highlight reel’s.

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[quote]fightu35 wrote:
Judas wrote:
to the dude who said u cant increase punching powder your a dumb cunt, fuck off with that shit, fucking idiot, the chin part is truish.

you can increase and i have punching power by

learning proper footwork

geting stronger eg weight lifting

hitting a heavy bag as hard as you can for a work out eg, 20 of every punch as hard as you possibly can one following another rest repeat (make sure you strap your hands really well)

hitting a really heavy bag and slowly increasing the weight of a bag as you move it more and more aka how mike tysons trainer made his punch so strong (its in a documentry narated by Ice t i dont know the name, the old white guy from catskills talks about using this technique)

do all that and you will get your results, just make sure you strap your hands really well and use 16 ounce gloves to hit the heavy bags , bag mits are for retarts and women for real protect those hands.

hey retard…I bet your 1 of them UFC fans…most fakes are… increasing the weight of the bag ? lol your fucking dope no one made mike tyson punch hard…lol you are born with ya punch… end of story…go buy Lee Haneys book…(more proof muscles mean shit)…in his own words he stated at a cost of like $3000 a week,he trained Holyfield to go from 188 to heavyweight…and he says,and I quote " I had NOTHING to do with his punching power…you are a moron and 100% a geek who never had a real fight in his life…lol you can tell your a goof…‘strap’ your hands ? mits are the #1 tool used by the worlds best. wow…how stupid can you be…lol unless you have something smart to say…I wil not bother to reply…any one with a brain knows ya a dope…[/quote]

Judas has been around for a while. He’s not that bright, as evidenced by his post. Don’t even pay attention to him.

On the other hand, he isn’t wrong about the moving to progressively heavier bags. Rocky Marciano and a few other fighters were known to workout with extremely heavy bags under the assumption that if you can move a 300# bag, you can move a 200# man real easy.

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Its all in fun,no harm,but I know for a fact what Im talking about with a combined 65 fights,and training with and being around some of the worlds best…its simply facts…there are 2 things you are born with THAT YOU CAN NOT CHANGE,and thats your CHIN & PUNCH,you can make it the best you can yes…but thats it,delivery is key yes,weight,how much you bench is 100% uselss,case in point,can I lift more then Jay Cutler,no …but I know for a fact he cant even punch as hard as a solid 160 lb boxer…

and the heavyer bag theory is good,but not in the sense its taken,it trained you and arms to ‘move’ people…so if I punch a brick wall ,will I hit harder…or just make my hands more hard…and the heavyer bags force you to punch harder,yes,but your same punch,not more,and adjusts the body to delevering force with every shot.keep punching guys

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I don’t really have any thoughts of my own to add, although my instinct from my own experiences is that training improves power immensely. Having read through the thread I went and did a bit of research. Firstly did you know Dempsey’s book is online?
http://stickgrappler.tripod.com/box/dempseycfbook.html#chapter3
It contains a chapter titled PUNCHERS ARE MADE; NOT BORN. Not me saying that, but Jack Dempsey.

Also, a quote from Pavel Tsatsouline (so forgive all the “comrade” bullshit) “A famous Russian shot putter failed to talk his way out of a mugging. This mild-mannered man got annoyed when one of the attackers cut him with a knife and ruptured the punk’s spleen with a single punch. (edit - this takes a tremendous amount of power!)
Soviet justice’s modus operandi could have been “Not a single good deed will go unpunished.” But this time the innocent man defending his life got acquitted of manslaughter. The story made the papers. One of the comrades who read it was Igor Sukhotsky, formerly a nationally ranked weightlifter and an eccentric sports scientist who took up full contact karate at the age of 45. This renaissance man researched shot putters’ training and noticed that the twist had not only increased his striking power, but also had toughened his midsection against blows.”

I also found out that Franco Columbo, a bit of a hero of mine, claimed it took 6 months of training in the boxing gym to develop punching power in each hand, but that this could be shortened significantly by using a boxing specific bodybuilding routine. Whatever that might be.

Just some food for thought.

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that is a great reply,but where im comming from is ,being friends with,and training with 1,000’s of fighters, case in point,Mike tyson weighted 190lbs at age 17…and for the most part,did not hit that much harder as an adult, there is not doubt, in no way is a puncher made,I can prove this daily…go to your local gym,find a big strong guy…take him to a local boxing gym,and see who punched harder,I live it, this is no guess, my brother as a pro was
11-0 with 11 ko’s why…casue he can punch,he was born that way,ko;ing men at age 16…as an amature he was 40-5 with about 30 ko’s unheard of in amatures…and he was only 165 lbs as his brother I do not have the same power end of story,we trian the same…we both lift…and I even do cement work,roids,weight,books will never make me punch harder,does weights make a baseball player throw faster ? if hes lucky 5 % .its technique,its delivery to get the most out of your throw and punch,there is no debate,I know who trianed fighters with weights including roy jones,holyfield,pavlik,etc…not 1 will ever tell you hit hit harder because of it…as I said, do you think ronnie coleman can punch hard ? thats laughible compared to his size and ‘strenght’ and remember…you are born with your punch (at the least 95% of it) and born 100% with your ‘chin’ thanks for the replys…

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O.P to answer your original question, take a pillow and press into it with your punching hand up against a wall as hard as you can for about 15-30 seconds. switch arms and repeat. this will help improve your power slightly. the only true way to generate power from your punches is to learn proper technique using your hips and core

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[quote]diamonddelts59 wrote:
O.P to answer your original question, take a pillow and press into it with your punching hand up against a wall as hard as you can for about 15-30 seconds. switch arms and repeat. this will help improve your power slightly. the only true way to generate power from your punches is to learn proper technique using your hips and core[/quote]

not sure about that way of learning but…you are 100% right any real fighter knows…power comes from the floor up (and has zero to do with size of ya arms,or how much you can bench)
starts with the feet…to the hips…the shoulders…and rotate,and twist the right way…its like a pitcher…as proven size means nothing…its how he throws the ball…

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hey guys, the name of the thread is boxing help, so i need help.

i have a match on saturday, i’ve been training for 3 months, i went down from 264pounds to 232pounds (still much to lose).

any advices??, it will be a 3 rounds of three minutes fight. it’s my first amateur fight, i’m not in the best shape and i could use some advice, like what to do if i fet winded??, a few set ups to get the oportunity to knock out my oponent.

i’ll fight a guy who weight 220pounds, he’s a novice too, i really want to fight, but i’m kinda scared, i don’t want to get knocked out, i may not win the match, (i’d love to win it), so any advice??

i always spar 2-3 times a week, i train with my mouthpiece, but always that i try to punch as hard as i can i get really winded.

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[quote]tuchavito wrote:
hey guys, the name of the thread is boxing help, so i need help.

i have a match on saturday, i’ve been training for 3 months, i went down from 264pounds to 232pounds (still much to lose).

any advices??, it will be a 3 rounds of three minutes fight. it’s my first amateur fight, i’m not in the best shape and i could use some advice, like what to do if i fet winded??, a few set ups to get the oportunity to knock out my oponent.

i’ll fight a guy who weight 220pounds, he’s a novice too, i really want to fight, but i’m kinda scared, i don’t want to get knocked out, i may not win the match, (i’d love to win it), so any advice??

i always spar 2-3 times a week, i train with my mouthpiece, but always that i try to punch as hard as i can i get really winded.
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Remember to keep your chin down and your hands up.

Other than that, ain’t nothin anyone could teach you on that short notice.

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thanks irish, yep i’ll remember that, i know you don’t know me, don’t know shit about me or have seen me train ever, but do you think that being 232pounds, being able to rep almost 400 on DL, and knowing something about box i’ll be able to knock out that mofo??.

i really don’t know that guy, i hope he’s a fat mofo, but i’d be awesome win my first match by knockout.

it maybe fear or simply unskilled, but when i spar with my partners or my trainer i really dont hit as hard as i could, but i’ll give my 100%.

one last question irish, i’m on a fat los diet, but i wouldn’t mind to change my diet this week, so how should i eat prior to the fight??.

TC

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[quote]tuchavito wrote:
thanks irish, yep i’ll remember that, i know you don’t know me, don’t know shit about me or have seen me train ever, but do you think that being 232pounds, being able to rep almost 400 on DL, and knowing something about box i’ll be able to knock out that mofo??.

i really don’t know that guy, i hope he’s a fat mofo, but i’d be awesome win my first match by knockout.

it maybe fear or simply unskilled, but when i spar with my partners or my trainer i really dont hit as hard as i could, but i’ll give my 100%.
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Once you get past 175 lbs., most guys can knock out most other guys. At 232, I’d imagine you’ve got enough force to be able to put someone down.

Just worry about your form and technique. When your technique is good, your power will come. Don’t worry about winning by knockout- just try to do the basics- hit the other guy and not get hit. Keep your head moving and don’t drop your lead hand. Jab, jab, jab, and you will open things up.

If you’ve trained hard you’ll be fine.

[quote]
one last question irish, i’m on a fat los diet, but i wouldn’t mind to change my diet this week, so how should i eat prior to the fight??.

TC[/quote]

I’m far from a nutritional expert, so I’d say do whatever your trainer has told you. However, if your calories are severely restricted, I’d say to ease up in the last week so you’re not energy drained. But that doesn’t mean don’t eat well- keeping up healthy eating will benefit you on fight night.

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And also- good fuckin luck!! Let us know how it goes!

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A lot of people are confusing power with freak power. Just because you’re not Gerald McClellan doesn’t mean you can’t add a little more snap to your jab.

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1st off we been though this, punchers are born,not made in the gym, nerves will win or lose the fight for you,Ii had 48 amature boxing matches as well as 15 in ISKA,stick to the basics,no more,no less,if your strong it will come,mentaly you must be there,have confidence,and ‘BEAT THAT MAN’ as Jeremy Williams says…

give yuor best,and you can never be a ‘loser’ but if you walk in that ring with doubts,you already lost as far as weight,is it novice ? or sub novice ? and heavyweight,or super heavy weight ?

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[quote]fightu35 wrote:
that is a great reply,but where im comming from is ,being friends with,and training with 1,000’s of fighters, case in point,Mike tyson weighted 190lbs at age 17…and for the most part,did not hit that much harder as an adult, there is not doubt, in no way is a puncher made,I can prove this daily…go to your local gym,find a big strong guy…take him to a local boxing gym,and see who punched harder,
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That’s a terrible example. You’re talking about someone who may have never been instructed how to punch testing their power against someone who trains punches every single day. That’s like me saying “go to any gym, find a big guy, take him to a track and have him race 100m dashes against olympic sprinters; that’s proof that running speed can’t be increased by lifting weights”.

Your point that genetics place a “cap” on punching power, and that some people are born with greater potential than others is true. But punching power can be improved (through technique training and resistance training) on from the starting point.

Again, you’re comparing people with no specific punching training to professional punchers. Bad comparison; apples to oranges.

And yes, lifting weights absolutely does make a baseball player throw faster. That’s why there are regimented lifting schedules for pitchers in MLB and coming up through the minors. No, that won’t allow just anyone to throw 100mph fast balls, and yes your point that the speed of their pitches ultimately is governed by genetic factors is true, but ask any of those guys if they don’t think that it makes a difference.

My point is that yes, your genetics determine the ultimate potential you can develop in terms of punching power, but that’s not the same thing as saying that punching power cannot be increased from the time you start training.

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[quote]fightu35 wrote:
1st off we been though this, punchers are born,not made in the gym, nerves will win or lose the fight for you,Ii had 48 amature boxing matches as well as 15 in ISKA,stick to the basics,no more,no less,if your strong it will come,mentaly you must be there,have confidence,and ‘BEAT THAT MAN’ as Jeremy Williams says…

give yuor best,and you can never be a ‘loser’ but if you walk in that ring with doubts,you already lost as far as weight,is it novice ? or sub novice ? and heavyweight,or super heavy weight ?[/quote]

ok man, no doubts.

Well my trainer was told that this is my oponent’s first fight, my oponent weights 220pounds. I guess it’s just normal, it’s my first fight, i’ve trained really hard for the last 4 months, my skills have improved a lot, i’ll give all of me on the ring, i’ll just do my stuff.

i will BEAT THAT MAN.

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i’ve been watching this video all the week

it really makes me feel more confident.

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This one always inspires me. Be like Chico- leave your whole fuckin heart in the ring, and remember that it ain’t ever over.

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[quote]duffyj2 wrote:
A lot of people are confusing power with freak power. Just because you’re not Gerald McClellan doesn’t mean you can’t add a little more snap to your jab.

★★Gerald McClellan: Brutal Power★★ || Highlight by Iceveins - YouTube [/quote]

This video led me to seeing this video from the related list. It really made my eyes water, very touching. That’s the risk a warrior takes. Interview with Gerald McClellan 6 Years After the Benn Fight - YouTube