[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Just keep at it. I wouldn’t expect you to have great conditioning weighing in at what you are.
Go to rosstraining.com for some sport specific conditioning drills- some of them are killers. Keep up with the padwork, don’t neglect shadowboxing, and keeping working your skills. Shit don’t come overnight. [/quote]
great articles on that page irish, thanks, and yes, i guess i shouldn’t be surprised for noth having the best endurance, but my training partners say that my shape has improved a lot.
i’ll include some sprints on my roadwork, and do the drills to improve my endurance, i guess i’ll be a better boxer when i weight 200 and not 247.
damn, i’m being a pain in the ass, but one last question irish, should the rpunds on the padwork last 3 mins, or try to do 5+?, thanks
rossboxing will save you alot of time man.
[quote]Onslaught2099 wrote:
rossboxing will save you alot of time man. [/quote]
oh yes man, i’m reading it right now, it has many interesting and helpful articles.
i found one in special, is for conditioning, if anyone interested
i’ll tryit tomorrow and will report back.
[quote]tuchavito wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Just keep at it. I wouldn’t expect you to have great conditioning weighing in at what you are.
Go to rosstraining.com for some sport specific conditioning drills- some of them are killers. Keep up with the padwork, don’t neglect shadowboxing, and keeping working your skills. Shit don’t come overnight.
great articles on that page irish, thanks, and yes, i guess i shouldn’t be surprised for noth having the best endurance, but my training partners say that my shape has improved a lot.
i’ll include some sprints on my roadwork, and do the drills to improve my endurance, i guess i’ll be a better boxer when i weight 200 and not 247.
damn, i’m being a pain in the ass, but one last question irish, should the rpunds on the padwork last 3 mins, or try to do 5+?, thanks[/quote]
Listen to your trainer. Everyone does things a little bit differently depending on who they are, and I’m sure they know better than I.
When I work the pads, I tend to go for about 5 minutes a clip. I used to be so gassed I’d be passing out after less than three, but I learned not to try and force the punches… in other words, not hitting with as much power as I could. I was fighting with clenched fists, as they say. Once I learned to relax and concentrate more on speed, snapping the punch, and accuracy, I was able to go for much longer.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
tuchavito wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Just keep at it. I wouldn’t expect you to have great conditioning weighing in at what you are.
Go to rosstraining.com for some sport specific conditioning drills- some of them are killers. Keep up with the padwork, don’t neglect shadowboxing, and keeping working your skills. Shit don’t come overnight.
great articles on that page irish, thanks, and yes, i guess i shouldn’t be surprised for noth having the best endurance, but my training partners say that my shape has improved a lot.
i’ll include some sprints on my roadwork, and do the drills to improve my endurance, i guess i’ll be a better boxer when i weight 200 and not 247.
damn, i’m being a pain in the ass, but one last question irish, should the rpunds on the padwork last 3 mins, or try to do 5+?, thanks
Listen to your trainer. Everyone does things a little bit differently depending on who they are, and I’m sure they know better than I.
When I work the pads, I tend to go for about 5 minutes a clip. I used to be so gassed I’d be passing out after less than three, but I learned not to try and force the punches… in other words, not hitting with as much power as I could. I was fighting with clenched fists, as they say. Once I learned to relax and concentrate more on speed, snapping the punch, and accuracy, I was able to go for much longer. [/quote]
Good points. Power doesn’t really come from muscular tension anyhow, it’s all about shifting your bodyweight and like you said whipping the punch (relaxation allows for greater speed). Mass x acceleration. A.K.A. techinique.
Lots of newb’s want to muscle their punches and thus wind up tiring themselves out without really hitting any harder in the process and slowing themselves down considerably. Once you learn to relax and let the mechanics do the work for you you realize how much energy you had been wasting with all your muscular tension.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Good points. Power doesn’t really come from muscular tension anyhow, it’s all about shifting your bodyweight and like you said whipping the punch (relaxation allows for greater speed). Mass x acceleration. A.K.A. techinique.
Lots of newb’s want to muscle their punches and thus wind up tiring themselves out without really hitting any harder in the process and slowing themselves down considerably. Once you learn to relax and let the mechanics do the work for you you realize how much energy you had been wasting with all your muscular tension.[/quote]
It was frightening how much energy I was wasting. I was trying to hit the pads like they slapped my mother, but it took me a while to realize that wasn’t really the damn point of the drill. Power is for the heavy bag… and even then, it doesn’t come from muscular tension, as you said.
I read something that Marc Macyoung once said, and thought it to be very true- paraphrasing it of course, but it was something like when you hit the bag and think you’re really hammering it, that’s when you’re least effective. It’s when you’re hitting the bag and snapping punches and it doesn’t really feel like you’re doing much at all that you’re being the most effective.
It’s hard to explain, but when you’ve felt it, you know it.
Seriously, I don’t know exactly WHAT can improve your punching power, but there are definitely things out there that work, because just bag work combined with some specific explosive movements have taken me from a guy who can’t even punch through a paper bag to a man with at least average/above avg punching power. Now my main barrier is speed and timing, which I will work on.
Dempsey’s championship fighting btw is an old but very good book to help people become decent punchers… Some things just don’t change
to the dude who said u cant increase punching powder your a dumb cunt, fuck off with that shit, fucking idiot, the chin part is truish.
you can increase and i have punching power by
learning proper footwork
geting stronger eg weight lifting
hitting a heavy bag as hard as you can for a work out eg, 20 of every punch as hard as you possibly can one following another rest repeat (make sure you strap your hands really well)
hitting a really heavy bag and slowly increasing the weight of a bag as you move it more and more aka how mike tysons trainer made his punch so strong (its in a documentry narated by Ice t i dont know the name, the old white guy from catskills talks about using this technique)
do all that and you will get your results, just make sure you strap your hands really well and use 16 ounce gloves to hit the heavy bags , bag mits are for retarts and women for real protect those hands.
yeah, beause all boxers were born with a knockout punch somehow?. no, they were trained non stop from a young age to develop that punch, and some people just have the right mechanics already in place to be a hard hitter naturally. I’ve been training my lats and legs more than anything else these past few months and my punching power has increased.
But getting your technique perfect will allow more power in your punches, for anyone. Once you learn all the mechanics of the punch,and realise how everything moves with the legs, hips, back, shoulders ect, you can make tweaks in your body and train specific movements and muscles, to add maximum force
[quote]Judas wrote:
to the dude who said u cant increase punching powder your a dumb cunt, fuck off with that shit, fucking idiot, the chin part is truish.
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Don’t that say it all?
Learn English before you post.
In my opinion, accuracy>speed>power. I can clock my training partner’s really well, but only if I can hit the fiesty little fuckers. That’s why I hate counter punchers… maybe I should learn how to become one?
O wait, physics class is popping up, power=work over time. So by getting that “snap”, your punches are gonna hit harder. It is called boxing, not punching, for a reason…
For me, the exercises I focus on to punch harder are heavy deadlifts and clapping pushups . You get smacked in the face with a 16 oz glove by a dude who can pull 455 for reps(I’m not quite there yet), it’s probably gonna hurt.
In conclusion, how much the heavy bag swings when you punch it translates very little to actual sparring if you “ain’t got no pop”. Speed, power, accuracy and movement. Gotta have all them tools in your toolbox.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Lots of newb’s want to muscle their punches and thus wind up tiring themselves out without really hitting any harder in the process and slowing themselves down considerably. Once you learn to relax and let the mechanics do the work for you you realize how much energy you had been wasting with all your muscular tension.
It was frightening how much energy I was wasting. I was trying to hit the pads like they slapped my mother, but it took me a while to realize that wasn’t really the damn point of the drill. Power is for the heavy bag… and even then, it doesn’t come from muscular tension, as you said.[/quote]
ohhh, i got what you meant here, today i did one round on the pads, and i peaced out, i fucking lasted longer than i expected, i just did one round, 'cause the plans changed, i was told that i was sparring within 2-4 weeks, but as my trainer saw that i wasn’t winded he made me spar.
but as i’m heavyweight, the only one that i could spar with was a heavyweight boxer(he used to figth), and i think i did well, i threw a lot of jabs, lots of hooks, i did 2 rounds. the mofo i did sparring with punched really hard.
[quote]tuchavito wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Lots of newb’s want to muscle their punches and thus wind up tiring themselves out without really hitting any harder in the process and slowing themselves down considerably. Once you learn to relax and let the mechanics do the work for you you realize how much energy you had been wasting with all your muscular tension.
It was frightening how much energy I was wasting. I was trying to hit the pads like they slapped my mother, but it took me a while to realize that wasn’t really the damn point of the drill. Power is for the heavy bag… and even then, it doesn’t come from muscular tension, as you said.
ohhh, i got what you meant here, today i did one round on the pads, and i peaced out, i fucking lasted longer than i expected, i just did one round, 'cause the plans changed, i was told that i was sparring within 2-4 weeks, but as my trainer saw that i wasn’t winded he made me spar.
but as i’m heavyweight, the only one that i could spar with was a heavyweight boxer(he used to figth), and i think i did well, i threw a lot of jabs, lots of hooks, i did 2 rounds. the mofo i did sparring with punched really hard.
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Haha. Good for you man. Keep it up.
thanks man, next time i spar i’ll videotape it, so you can critique, congrat or anything.
thanks for the advice irish
[quote]tuchavito wrote:
thanks man, next time i spar i’ll videotape it, so you can critique, congrat or anything.
thanks for the advice irish[/quote]
Definitely man. I’m always down to check stuff like that out. Big Boss did it recently and got some great feeback from the people here.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
Good points. Power doesn’t really come from muscular tension anyhow, it’s all about shifting your bodyweight and like you said whipping the punch (relaxation allows for greater speed). Mass x acceleration. A.K.A. techinique.
Lots of newb’s want to muscle their punches and thus wind up tiring themselves out without really hitting any harder in the process and slowing themselves down considerably. Once you learn to relax and let the mechanics do the work for you you realize how much energy you had been wasting with all your muscular tension.
It was frightening how much energy I was wasting. I was trying to hit the pads like they slapped my mother, but it took me a while to realize that wasn’t really the damn point of the drill. Power is for the heavy bag… and even then, it doesn’t come from muscular tension, as you said.
I read something that Marc Macyoung once said, and thought it to be very true- paraphrasing it of course, but it was something like when you hit the bag and think you’re really hammering it, that’s when you’re least effective. It’s when you’re hitting the bag and snapping punches and it doesn’t really feel like you’re doing much at all that you’re being the most effective.
It’s hard to explain, but when you’ve felt it, you know it. [/quote]
Yup.
[quote]Nikiforos wrote:
Seriously, I don’t know exactly WHAT can improve your punching power, but there are definitely things out there that work, because just bag work combined with some specific explosive movements have taken me from a guy who can’t even punch through a paper bag to a man with at least average/above avg punching power. Now my main barrier is speed and timing, which I will work on.
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Shadowbox for speed. Work your combinations over and over and over until you automatically throw a 2 after a jab, a 3 after a 2.
In a book by Loren Christensen that I read, he said that the biggest thing that helped him have fast hands was to believe that his hands were fast. He said if you walk around believing that you’ve got the Floyd fuckin Mayweather fastest hands on the corner (alright, maybe he didn’t say it like that), your speed will improve.
Placebo effect or not, I swear that it works.
As for timing- sparring and padwork. Some cats are just born with that innate sense, but it can definitely be worked on, especially if you get tapes of who you’re going to fight beforehand. Timing is just anticipation, really… and if you know that a fighter normally drops his other hand while he’s hooking, or leans to the other side right after a straight right… you can catch’em.
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Dempsey’s championship fighting btw is an old but very good book to help people become decent punchers… Some things just don’t change[/quote]
Great, classic book. What better man to learn from then meanest motherfucker that’s ever stepped in?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Nikiforos wrote:
Seriously, I don’t know exactly WHAT can improve your punching power, but there are definitely things out there that work, because just bag work combined with some specific explosive movements have taken me from a guy who can’t even punch through a paper bag to a man with at least average/above avg punching power. Now my main barrier is speed and timing, which I will work on.
Shadowbox for speed. Work your combinations over and over and over until you automatically throw a 2 after a jab, a 3 after a 2.
In a book by Loren Christensen that I read, he said that the biggest thing that helped him have fast hands was to believe that his hands were fast. He said if you walk around believing that you’ve got the Floyd fuckin Mayweather fastest hands on the corner (alright, maybe he didn’t say it like that), your speed will improve.
Placebo effect or not, I swear that it works.
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Also realize that there are 3 basic types of speed:
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miles per hour speed- basically how fast the hands/head/etc… is moving through space. This is the type of speed most practiced, but not necessarily the most important one. Improving it has to do with relaxation and like Irish said, there are some mental tricks that you can play on yourself to also improve it.
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initial speed- basically how fast you can get off the blocks so to speak. How suddenly you can initiate an explosive movement. Again relaxation is key, as are some other “tricky” little principles. This type of speed doesn’t get trained all that often from what I’ve seen.
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timing speed- basically how fast you can react to what is happening. Could also be used synonymously with reaction time I guess. Again relaxation will improve this (a tenser mind will tend to react slower, as will a tenser body) as will practicing it. This one gets practiced a fair bit.
You want to improve all 3 if you want to maximize your speed.
I’d actually disagree that timing is anticipation. I’d agree that there is some degree of anticipation/strategy involved, but you don’t want to develop a “split focus” where you are preplanning exactly what you are going to do before it ever actually happens.
You don’t want to do this because you never know when your opponent is setting you up. They might purposely drop their other hand while hooking a few times to trick you into anticipating this and reacting to it, only to be waiting for your reaction and having a big counter of their own waiting for you.
As Mr. Lewis always says, “there is only 1 realty in the fight game, and that’s immediate reality”. Timing is the ability to effectively match your physical movements to what your physical senses (eyes, ears, touch, etc…) are relaying to you in conjunction with your strategy. You can also mess with your opponent’s timing by using things like feints/fakes, broken rhythm, switching between single and multiple attacks, etc…
I had a chance to take some 1on1 with Buddy McGirt a few yrs. back and passed it up. And now I don’t live where he trains his boxers at. But am planning on going there on weekends from time to time to visit old frineds and get some help with the boxing skills. That’s the best way. Good luck with your goals.