When dem peoples say they ain’t seen no women transition to male and go beat dudes in sport
Just look at his squat compared to some other people. Usually the hips will shift back a bit coming out of the hole, and on heavy squats its common to see the back tip towards the floor a bit. Belkin’s back angle only becomes more vertical and his hips start to shift forward as soon as he reverses the movement. Now look at Ray Williams for example, he stalls (or fails) close to the top because he still ahs to push his hips forward, with Belkin his hips stay as close to the bar as possible. Ray is mostly relying on brute strength, and while Belkin is strong it’s his technique that has him squatting so much more than everyone else.
Don’t get me started on the big clits again, I’m already having recurring nightmares.
But yeah, her test levels are definitely higher than any natural man. The performance is impressive, but not my kind of girl.
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Here’s an interesting development: apparently this meet was unsanctioned. The other BOB meets were all sanctioned by WRPF, but for whatever reason this one was not.
This raises another question - can a lift in an unsanctioned meet count as a world record? Open Powerlifting counts records set in unsanctioned meets if the judging appears to be strict and so on, but then if you have a mock meet at your gym with calibrated plates would a record set there count too? This all seems a bit weird to me.
‘count’ to who?
I keep seeing arguments as what ‘should’ count as an ATWR, but the thing is, there is actually no such thing as an ATWR, not In any official sense or the sense that there is an official book somewhere keeping track of ATWR’s at least.
Will it could as a WRPF world record? No, because it wasn’t sanctioned by them (it was a WRPF sanctioned meet during the event, but the meet directors ‘unsanctioned it’ after the event just before the results were released, no idea why).
ATWR’s are just something we fans on the internet keep track of, they are a subjective claim to fame and always come with one or another asterisks, but they are in no way official, so count the ones you want to, ignore the ones you don’t like.
Each federation has it’s own world records for this reason. If you have the IPF world record, you have the world record, irrespective of whether or not another lifter in another fed lifted more.
@chris_ottawa I appreciate this looks like a rant at you, it isn’t at all, this is a rant I’ve wanted to get off my chest all week having read too many internet arguments over which ‘records’ count and which don’t.
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That pretty much sums it up. All I can say is that this type of thing makes the IPF look better and better, and Open Powerlifting might a well count gym lifts on calibrated plates.
Powerlifting is basically turning into an internet sport at this point. Just look at the live stream from BOB, every lifter’s Instagram name was shown beside their real name. It’s sad.
I agree on the point that this does add some credibility to the IPF, and really does highlight the benefit of them being so strict, even if it is occasionally to the detriment of the athletes.
I think openpowerlifting has its balance right at the moment tbh, in not making any subjective calls and including anything from a ‘genuine’ ‘meet’.
Unsanctioned meets are a difficult call, and I suspect for the most part they will be ignored, but meets as big as BOB or Big Dogs simply can’t be ignored when you have multiple current WR holders competing and you do have experienced judges there.
There are always going to be meets with shitty judging, this one got a lot of press because it had a lot of exposure but I’ve seen worse calls at WPC and IPF regional events, and they are still sanctioned and those lifts still ‘count’.
I think if you’re lifting on the right equipment, under a specified rule book, in front of spectators and judges who are in good faith trying to enforce the rules, then the lifts should count.
I guess thats a long way of saying, who knows?
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Personally no, it should be an actual sanctioned meet IMO.
That helps keep the sport true. You don’t see some backyard turkey trot runner setting a WR marathon unless you know it’s a big recognized marathon like Boston.
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All that said, I do think there is a case for ‘blacklisting’ a federation that clearly doesn’t uphold the same standards as the others.
for example, you cannot set world records at a regional IPF meet, you cannot set WPC world records at a regional meet or even a national meet unless there are a certain number of judges at a certain level there. I dont know how PL judge ‘ranks’ work but at British nationals this year we couldnt take world records because we didnt have ‘international judges’.
If a new fed was set up that allowed everything and anything to go without even attempting to look like a sporting federation, I could see an argument to ‘blacklist’ it. Not saying WRPF is there, they are certainly more lax than IPF but I’d say on par for most federations.
Open PL just put up a really good explanation of their stance on things like this. Basically… with unsanctioned meets it’s a highly “case by case” basis going more or less off the majority opinion of the fans and athletes. For example, ProRaw, Big Dogs, and Raw Unity are all meets that are technically unaffiliated with a regional or international organization, but the quality of the meet is mostly accepted as being to reasonable standards. Think of it like this… if OpenPL announced that they were considering removing results from these comps, a huge majority of PLers would argue against it. However, if we all got together and put on a backyard unsanctioned meet with no-name lifters, and OpenPL announced they were going to include it in the records, I would bet the vast majority of lifters would disagree.
Something they pointed out in their post (I think it was in their IG story) is that they get virtually no help or positive interaction from organizing bodies. Federation directors don’t care about open PL because they all want to pretend that they’re the only fed that counts. It’s the lifters and fans that care about and support the project, so their decisions to include or remove results are always going to tend towards the majority of the fan base. They aren’t trying to be an all-powerful governing body, they’re just reporting and recording what is and has happened in the powerlifting world.
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They are doing a great job. I really think what they are doing is great, however it should probably be a sanctioned meet IMO. While I think I’m a fair judge I’m no official affiliated judge - I shouldn’t be passing white lights on a ATWR.
That’s just how I feel anyhow.
That’s what I think too. This situation here is different because from what I understand it was sanctioned by WRPF up until the last minute, but we will be splitting hairs if we start debating on that. But anyway, what OpenPL is doing is good overall, there just needs to be a line drawn somewhere. Because why can a lift done in a mock meet with calibrated plates, judges, and a video feed count in other situations? BOB was essentially a mock meet at this point.
Which rule book though? If they aren’t affiliated with any federation then there is no rule book.
It depends what you consider “regional”, at the championship meets for North America, Europe, etc., you actually can set world records. An acquaintance of mine just recently set a deadlift WR at the NAPF (N. America) meet. It’s only at international meets (which includes “continental” meets or whatever you want to call them") where records can be set, but I think that this has more to do with the IPF looking for another way to extort lifters. You have to pay some big fees to compete in those meets and at least on a few occasions they had a scam going on where they bought up all the rooms in the official hotel and rented them at double the price, you get a big fine if you don’t stay in the hotel of their choice.
I thought ProRaw was a federation of some sort , is it not? Raw Unity looks like its gone but I believe they had their own rule book and so on, it wasn’t just a bush league meet with arbitrary rules made up as they go along. And really, this is the issue with unsanctioned meets, what are the rules? Maybe OpenPL should have their own set of rules that unsanctioned meets should have to follow for lifts to count. Otherwise you’re going to have guys squatting in 4 meter wraps with briefs under their singlet, fake plates, and who knows what else.
There is, though. Otherwise each meet director would have to write their own full set of rules defining Raw, defining equipped, defining weight classes and procedure, defining equipment etc. etc.
They might not be sanctioned by a governing body, but they will hold the meet under one or other rulebook just to outline the competition, its not hard to say we will run this meet under IPF / WRPF / WPC / IPL rules, depending on what equipment that have and want to use. If it’s not held under a rulebook and its an anything goes meet, then I suspect thats a situation where records wouldnt be considered, by anyone, as legitimate and it wouldn’t end up on OpenPL
That’s what I’m not sure about, which set of rules they are supposed to be following if they are unsanctioned.