I really don’t understand that attitude the people I lived with in college last year bashed religion and my faith when I never even brought it up. It’s like people feel really smug and self assured at their intelligence for being non religious.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]bignate wrote:
i liked the movie till i realized the whole thing was religious propaganda and then that kinda pissed me off. Also not as much action as i was expecting from the ending. So overall i guess it was decent and worth the watch but it you dont like religion or have a problem with it i wouldnt waste your time[/quote]
Alright, I was waiting for someone to make that argument…because it is utter bullshit.
Spoiler:
What religious propaganda? The hero of the movie realized the power that is held within religion and I am glad one of the last scenes showed many religious texts from many different faiths…because the message would be the same if he was carrying the Koran (only not as widely received in America).
The Villain of the movie understood that people would literally come to him for leadership based on religious faith…and anyone who can’t understand how that is true is likely too dull to get the true message.
In a world that has been destroyed completely, how is it you don’t understand the power the man would have who held a holy text?
People turn away from religion when they perceive themselves as being in control of their environment and their lives…much like America today. Most humans in this country have advantages and comforts that people 200 years ago didn’t have access to. People turn back to religion when they feel a lack of control of their surroundings…or if they hold the belief that the world/universe holds more purpose than simply living a life only for yourself with no ultimate consequences at the end of it other than death.
How is this “propaganda”?
Please explain.[/quote]
Lots of weak minded people would be led to a person in control of one of the last religious texts for sure. But then there are those much like myself that don’t need the hope of an after life and a “god’s” written words to make me be a kind person. I don’t help people that ask for help out of fear that I won’t make the grade for heaven, I don’t help thinking it will count on my tally of good deeds to help me get into heaven. I do not need the reassurance that there is a god who loves me and who will give me a ticket to an eternally blissful after life to function in this world some people do. You may be one of those people and if you are that is fine. If you are not that is ok too. I just get really tired of people thinking a bible will make them a better person or that religion will save their souls.
From my vantage point religion these days especially the catholics and christians has turned into a business where it is all about the money, and theese televangelists have been among the most morally broke people in america, right along with the catholic priests that molest children.
Also I did see the book of Eli and it was ok, I thought they really could have developed Denzel’s character more. I would have liked to discover his history and what had happened to make the world the way it was.
SPOILER ALERT DONT READ LOWER IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE MOVIE
The braile bible at the end was a hell of a finish. I wish he wouldn’t have died, or that they could have had him resurected liek the second coming of jesus that would have been awesome but the religous groups would have been pissed.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ukrainian wrote:
If you think that this has religious propaganda, then you are dumber than Peter Griffin. Not once did they even mention the name of a religion. They only mentioned the Holy Books. That is it.[/quote]
…which goes to show just how much people HATE religion. They can’t even let an idea in their head if you even show a picture of a bible (mind you THIS BIBLE HAD NO WORDS IN IT AND THEY STILL GOT PISSED).
Every negative review I’ve read sounds like an atheist having a nervous breakdown after having been forced to sit in church when the truth is, half of the movie was body parts getting cut off and hand to hand combat.
Something is wrong here.[/quote]
You might want to check yourself for spoilers. At least I consider it Spoiler worthy.
[quote]mcstoots082 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]bignate wrote:
i liked the movie till i realized the whole thing was religious propaganda and then that kinda pissed me off. Also not as much action as i was expecting from the ending. So overall i guess it was decent and worth the watch but it you dont like religion or have a problem with it i wouldnt waste your time[/quote]
Alright, I was waiting for someone to make that argument…because it is utter bullshit.
Spoiler:
What religious propaganda? The hero of the movie realized the power that is held within religion and I am glad one of the last scenes showed many religious texts from many different faiths…because the message would be the same if he was carrying the Koran (only not as widely received in America).
The Villain of the movie understood that people would literally come to him for leadership based on religious faith…and anyone who can’t understand how that is true is likely too dull to get the true message.
In a world that has been destroyed completely, how is it you don’t understand the power the man would have who held a holy text?
People turn away from religion when they perceive themselves as being in control of their environment and their lives…much like America today. Most humans in this country have advantages and comforts that people 200 years ago didn’t have access to. People turn back to religion when they feel a lack of control of their surroundings…or if they hold the belief that the world/universe holds more purpose than simply living a life only for yourself with no ultimate consequences at the end of it other than death.
How is this “propaganda”?
Please explain.[/quote]
Lots of weak minded people would be led to a person in control of one of the last religious texts for sure. But then there are those much like myself that don’t need the hope of an after life and a “god’s” written words to make me be a kind person. I don’t help people that ask for help out of fear that I won’t make the grade for heaven, I don’t help thinking it will count on my tally of good deeds to help me get into heaven. I do not need the reassurance that there is a god who loves me and who will give me a ticket to an eternally blissful after life to function in this world some people do. You may be one of those people and if you are that is fine. If you are not that is ok too. I just get really tired of people thinking a bible will make them a better person or that religion will save their souls.
From my vantage point religion these days especially the catholics and christians has turned into a business where it is all about the money, and theese televangelists have been among the most morally broke people in america, right along with the catholic priests that molest children.
These comments show you have never read the bible or a lack of understanding. Have you ever been to a Catholic church or are you talking out of your ass? Many people and priests not just from the Catholic faith have touched children.
I liked the movie but the ending was kind of cheesy.
Drewh trust me I have read more then enough of the bible. What I have written has little to do with what the bible says so don’t hide behind your assumption i know so little just because you are the one who actually knows so little.
And to address your statement that many people touch little children not just priests, are you trying to say that makes it alright? That statement alone pretty much marks you as a blind sheep. It is people like you that make religion so dangerous to the rest of the world, you will blindly follow child molesters down the road to salvation. And then try to tell me it isn’t such a big deal since other people do it too.
Spoliers all over the damn place.
[quote]mcstoots082 wrote:
Lots of weak minded people would be led to a person in control of one of the last religious texts for sure. But then there are those much like myself that don’t need the hope of an after life and a “god’s” written words to make me be a kind person. [/quote]
Do you believe that a weak mind is needed to believe in a higher power or higher order in the universe?
This may not be what you believe, but if so, care to share your apparently astronomical IQ range with the rest of the class along with all that you have accomplished in life that justifies it?
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From my vantage point religion these days especially the catholics and christians has turned into a business where it is all about the money, and theese televangelists have been among the most morally broke people in america, right along with the catholic priests that molest children. [/quote]
Most people, period, are corrupt, disloyal and intellectually average or below average. Religion is the root cause of none of these.
Oh, don’t get me wrong. I was actually hoping for a sequel as well because I think the only way to flesh out that character is either make the movie 3 hours long or make another one.
[quote]
The braile bible at the end was a hell of a finish. I wish he wouldn’t have died, or that they could have had him resurected liek the second coming of jesus that would have been awesome but the religous groups would have been pissed.[/quote]
I liked the twist at the end. That sort of writing is rare even though I think they could have done better than simply showing his protege walking away as far as the ending.
[quote]mcstoots082 wrote:
Drewh trust me I have read more then enough of the bible. What I have written has little to do with what the bible says so don’t hide behind your assumption i know so little just because you are the one who actually knows so little.
And to address your statement that many people touch little children not just priests, are you trying to say that makes it alright? That statement alone pretty much marks you as a blind sheep. It is people like you that make religion so dangerous to the rest of the world, you will blindly follow child molesters down the road to salvation. And then try to tell me it isn’t such a big deal since other people do it too.
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No but your comment makes it sound like child touching is exclusive to Catholic priests which it isn’t or that somehow being a Catholic priest makes them touch kids. Don’t put words in my mouth or stereotype an entire faith off of your ridiculous assumptions and perceived higher intelligence on a practice and faith you don’t even follow.
Great, great movie. My new favorite movie.
jpb
X I will try to answer all your questions. If I miss something tell me and I will try to answer it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Spoliers all over the damn place.
[quote]mcstoots082 wrote:
Lots of weak minded people would be led to a person in control of one of the last religious texts for sure. But then there are those much like myself that don’t need the hope of an after life and a “god’s” written words to make me be a kind person. [/quote]
Do you believe that a weak mind is needed to believe in a higher power or higher order in the universe?
MCSTOOTS082 No, I am not saying you need a week mind to believe in a god or a higher power. What that statement was supposed to say is that in times of trouble week minded people will flock to religion, basically like what the movie said. But as soon as evrything is fine they could care less. There are those that need to believe in a higher power or they couldn’t function also, I have only met a few.
This may not be what you believe, but if so, care to share your apparently astronomical IQ range with the rest of the class along with all that you have accomplished in life that justifies it?
MCSTOOTS082 X honestly I think you read into everything way to much, and that you just love to argue. At no point did I say I have an astronomical IQ I scored a 126 take that as it is or leave it. I don’t quite understand what you are asking about that justifies my intelligence that is why i posted my IQ score.
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From my vantage point religion these days especially the catholics and christians has turned into a business where it is all about the money, and theese televangelists have been among the most morally broke people in america, right along with the catholic priests that molest children. [/quote]
Most people, period, are corrupt, disloyal and intellectually average or below average. Religion is the root cause of none of these.
MCSTOOTS082 No, religion is the cause of terrorists, and many wars and deaths. If there were no religion I am sure we would still have wars and what not but I believe there would be much less terrorism, and some of the longer conflicts would no longer exist because there would be no difference between jews, muslims,christians, catholics, protestants. So they could then not fight eachother based on percieved religous differences. But I do believe some of the major televangelists years ago were caught with prostitutes, and I believe one was caught smoking crack. And there is also the fact that the catholic church didn’t take care of the child moletation accusations very well, at some instances just moving the priest to a different church.
Oh, don’t get me wrong. I was actually hoping for a sequel as well because I think the only way to flesh out that character is either make the movie 3 hours long or make another one.
MCSTOOTS082 OMFG one thing we agree on they either needed to make it sequel friendly or make it 3 hours long I was thinking the exact thing, but you know what stopped them most people would not sit through a 3 hour long movie in a theatre.
Yes, I hate that they always have the hot bitch live and it is like why does she deserve to live and if they try to make a sequel with her as lead there is no way it will be as good their best bet is a prequel and tell us the begining starring Denzel.
About religion I am no expert I have been to a few different kinds of churches though and as a child my mother even taught me some of the Native american’s religous folk lore. I am not saying I know it all but I am saying I see the power people give to religion being used and abused. Open your eyes it is all around you.
I realize religion is corrupt, but what isn’t.
[quote]drewh wrote:
I realize religion is corrupt, but what isn’t. [/quote]
Yeah, that is how I pretty much feel Drewh. I agree with that statement wholeheartedly. In truth I believe in a higher power. I just believe he doesn’t much care how things go on earth and the afterlife is the same if you are a good person or an evil bastard. But, I will admit I could most definitely be wrong and if I am, according to most religions I will suffer in the after life for eternity.
I think it says more about a person that is good to people and kind, if they can be a good person and kind without the belief that they will get some kind of after life reward. A person who is a good person and does not believe his actions are getting him favor with a divine being is a good person with or without a god.
Decent flick. If anyone ever talks about how nothing original comes out of Hollywood, go see this.
[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
Decent flick. If anyone ever talks about how nothing original comes out of Hollywood, go see this.
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The funny thing is…the reaction to the movie proves the premise of the movie.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
Decent flick. If anyone ever talks about how nothing original comes out of Hollywood, go see this.
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The funny thing is…the reaction to the movie proves the premise of the movie.[/quote]
What do you think the premise of the movie is X? I thought is was HOPE. Oh and did you see I answered all those question you asked me? I would like a response back since I took the time to respond to your questions.
[quote]mcstoots082 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
Decent flick. If anyone ever talks about how nothing original comes out of Hollywood, go see this.
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The funny thing is…the reaction to the movie proves the premise of the movie.[/quote]
What do you think the premise of the movie is X? I thought is was HOPE. Oh and did you see I answered all those question you asked me? I would like a response back since I took the time to respond to your questions.[/quote]
No, what do YOU think it is? Every religious text in the country was burned and it was hinted that religion was blamed as a general CAUSE of whatever war destroyed the world.
I have read quite a few reviews talking about “religious propaganda”…and it makes me wonder if the person making the statement even saw the same movie…or maybe they simply had a reaction to the mere mention of religion.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Most people, period, are corrupt, disloyal and intellectually average or below average.
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I know what you mean but there is no way that the math works out on this one.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]mcstoots082 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
Decent flick. If anyone ever talks about how nothing original comes out of Hollywood, go see this.
[/quote]
The funny thing is…the reaction to the movie proves the premise of the movie.[/quote]
What do you think the premise of the movie is X? I thought is was HOPE. Oh and did you see I answered all those question you asked me? I would like a response back since I took the time to respond to your questions.[/quote]
No, what do YOU think it is? Every religious text in the country was burned and it was hinted that religion was blamed as a general CAUSE of whatever war destroyed the world.
I have read quite a few reviews talking about “religious propaganda”…and it makes me wonder if the person making the statement even saw the same movie…or maybe they simply had a reaction to the mere mention of religion.[/quote]
I already stated that I thought the premise of the movie was hope, and I will also add perseverance. When does it say that religion is the cause of what happened to the world?
[quote]mcstoots082 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]mcstoots082 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
Decent flick. If anyone ever talks about how nothing original comes out of Hollywood, go see this.
[/quote]
The funny thing is…the reaction to the movie proves the premise of the movie.[/quote]
What do you think the premise of the movie is X? I thought is was HOPE. Oh and did you see I answered all those question you asked me? I would like a response back since I took the time to respond to your questions.[/quote]
No, what do YOU think it is? Every religious text in the country was burned and it was hinted that religion was blamed as a general CAUSE of whatever war destroyed the world.
I have read quite a few reviews talking about “religious propaganda”…and it makes me wonder if the person making the statement even saw the same movie…or maybe they simply had a reaction to the mere mention of religion.[/quote]
I already stated that I thought the premise of the movie was hope, and I will also add perseverance. When does it say that religion is the cause of what happened to the world?[/quote]
They didn’t say it was the cause of the destruction. It was the cause of the book burning. They implied that all religious texts had been burned because of the belief that they led to war.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Most people, period, are corrupt, disloyal and intellectually average or below average.
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I know what you mean but there is no way that the math works out on this one.
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How so? I guess it depends on what you consider “corrupt”. All humans…ALL OF US…lie. It is human nature to look out for your own best interests…thus the disloyalty.
There are individuals who can rise above this and become better human beings. That doesn’t mean we wouldn’t rip each other apart if all of the lights went out.
If you want to know what true human nature is, cut of all power to a major city, erase all financial transactions, and sit back and watch them rip each other apart given enough time.
We act cordial with each other largely because there are consequences to not being that way.
If society crumbles and anarchy rises, there are no social consequences.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Most people, period, are corrupt, disloyal and intellectually average or below average.
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I know what you mean but there is no way that the math works out on this one.
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How so? I guess it depends on what you consider “corrupt”. All humans…ALL OF US…lie. It is human nature to look out for your own best interests…thus the disloyalty.
There are individuals who can rise above this and become better human beings. That doesn’t mean we wouldn’t rip each other apart if all of the lights went out.
If you want to know what true human nature is, cut of all power to a major city, erase all financial transactions, and sit back and watch them rip each other apart given enough time.
We act cordial with each other largely because there are consequences to not being that way.
If society crumbles and anarchy rises, there are no social consequences.[/quote]
No, I was literally refering to the math.
Most people cannot be average or below average.
You sound like that American president who was shocked, SHOCKED!, that a whopping half of all Americans had an iq lower than 100.
So I say thee, since by definition average is smack in the middle and you think that most people are below average it just might be that “average” is a lot dumber than you think and your idea of “average” is just off.