Book of Eli

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[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
This looks alright. I like Denzel, but he plays the same role in every movie, or should I say he plays every role the same way. In every movie he does he has that “KING KONG AIN’T GOT SHIT ON ME!” moment. At least he’s consistent I guess. Probably wait until it hits the shelves.[/quote]

Exactly,
and Pacino and DeNiro as well. People praise them as actors, justifiably, but they have no range. Same character, different movie. [/quote]

If it is justifiable that they get praise, what are you bitching about? Very few actors on the planet have significant range to play any part and be unrecognizable…and even then it depends on the movie and the character.

Most people didn’t recognize Eric Bana in Star trek…and it isn’t like his make up was done in a way to obscure his face. Some might say Brad Pitt has some range, but in truth he does the same schizo act to different degrees as his only “range”.

Bruce Willis may have some range considering how he was in Death Becomes Her to Die Hard, but who is really acting on a level where you simply do not recognize them in different parts?

And further, why are people so damn picky when it comes to this topic as if they don’t get that certain actors are chosen for certain parts because of the strengths of the actor and not because one guy can play everybody?

Hell, if that is the case, then Eddy Murphy has the most “range”.

I am really interested in who you think has so much “range”.

The crazy religious lady in the Mist has range but again that is only to a degree.[/quote]

Good day for me. Didn’t know I was going to get your little X panties all in a wad.
My statement was clear. Most Denzel, Pacino, DeNiro characters are retreads. They are virtually the same character, different film. Why did I say justifiably? This is why
They are one trick ponies, but they do that trick marvelously. They own it. They can play that one character to a tee. That is why comics can do just great impressions of them as well.

Who has range? Well, lets see. I have watched several Russell Crowe movies, playing characters from LA detectives, to gladiators, to brilliant, schizophrenic mathematician. Great characters. Each its own creation. Johnny Dept. That is a man with range. Pirate, gangster, Willy Wonka, you name it. Leonardo Decaprio. That kid can do it all. Hell, Jim Carrey can go from talking with his ass in one movie, and jerking tears in the next.
How’s that for a few? and Spacey. Who did I forget about Keyzer Soze.[/quote]

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[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
This looks alright. I like Denzel, but he plays the same role in every movie, or should I say he plays every role the same way. In every movie he does he has that “KING KONG AIN’T GOT SHIT ON ME!” moment. At least he’s consistent I guess. Probably wait until it hits the shelves.[/quote]

Exactly,
and Pacino and DeNiro as well. People praise them as actors, justifiably, but they have no range. Same character, different movie. [/quote]

If it is justifiable that they get praise, what are you bitching about? Very few actors on the planet have significant range to play any part and be unrecognizable…and even then it depends on the movie and the character.

Most people didn’t recognize Eric Bana in Star trek…and it isn’t like his make up was done in a way to obscure his face. Some might say Brad Pitt has some range, but in truth he does the same schizo act to different degrees as his only “range”.

Bruce Willis may have some range considering how he was in Death Becomes Her to Die Hard, but who is really acting on a level where you simply do not recognize them in different parts?

And further, why are people so damn picky when it comes to this topic as if they don’t get that certain actors are chosen for certain parts because of the strengths of the actor and not because one guy can play everybody?

Hell, if that is the case, then Eddy Murphy has the most “range”.

I am really interested in who you think has so much “range”.

The crazy religious lady in the Mist has range but again that is only to a degree.[/quote]

Good day for me. Didn’t know I was going to get your little X panties all in a wad.
My statement was clear. Most Denzel, Pacino, DeNiro characters are retreads. They are virtually the same character, different film. Why did I say justifiably? This is why
They are one trick ponies, but they do that trick marvelously. They own it. They can play that one character to a tee. That is why comics can do just great impressions of them as well.

Who has range? Well, lets see. I have watched several Russell Crowe movies, playing characters from LA detectives, to gladiators, to brilliant, schizophrenic mathematician. Great characters. Each its own creation. Johnny Dept. That is a man with range. Pirate, gangster, Willy Wonka, you name it. Leonardo Decaprio. That kid can do it all. Hell, Jimm can go from talking with his ass in one movie, and jerking tears in the next.
How’s that for a few?[/quote]

If you think Decaprio has range this discussion is over.

Russel Crowe does have talent but his “range” is mostly due to his physical condition in each of his movies and the fact that he can do several different accents well. He deserves credit for doing what it takes to always LOOK the part.

The term “one trick pony” is not used on people who have seen success at their chosen profession for more than 2 decades across dozens of movies. You are naming actors who have had parts so significant that they have become a part of pop culture (if not history in general). People will be talking about Denzel, Pacino and DeNiro 50 years from now. That is no “one trick pony”.

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DDL is the GD man.

PS - I’ll toss Sean Connery into the list as ‘overrated’ for acting ability. I just can’t give props to any actor who can’t modify his/her accent to fit a role.

He was da man now dawg in Finding Forrester, though.

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[quote]anonym wrote:
DDL is the GD man.

PS - I’ll toss Sean Connery into the list as ‘overrated’ for acting ability. I just can’t give props to any actor who can’t modify his/her accent to fit a role.

He was da man now dawg in Finding Forrester, though.[/quote]

I think Sean Connery is the perfect example of Good actor with AMAZING charisma and likability. He could read a book and we’d listen.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:
DDL is the GD man.

PS - I’ll toss Sean Connery into the list as ‘overrated’ for acting ability. I just can’t give props to any actor who can’t modify his/her accent to fit a role.

He was da man now dawg in Finding Forrester, though.[/quote]

I think Sean Connery is the perfect example of Good actor with AMAZING charisma and likability. He could read a book and we’d listen.[/quote]

Agreed.

This was the most work put into making him blend into a role, in my opinion.

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Craig Ferguson sums up Sean Connery better than any of us ever could.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
This looks alright. I like Denzel, but he plays the same role in every movie, or should I say he plays every role the same way. In every movie he does he has that “KING KONG AIN’T GOT SHIT ON ME!” moment. At least he’s consistent I guess. Probably wait until it hits the shelves.[/quote]

Exactly,
and Pacino and DeNiro as well. People praise them as actors, justifiably, but they have no range. Same character, different movie. [/quote]

If it is justifiable that they get praise, what are you bitching about? Very few actors on the planet have significant range to play any part and be unrecognizable…and even then it depends on the movie and the character.

Most people didn’t recognize Eric Bana in Star trek…and it isn’t like his make up was done in a way to obscure his face. Some might say Brad Pitt has some range, but in truth he does the same schizo act to different degrees as his only “range”.

Bruce Willis may have some range considering how he was in Death Becomes Her to Die Hard, but who is really acting on a level where you simply do not recognize them in different parts?

And further, why are people so damn picky when it comes to this topic as if they don’t get that certain actors are chosen for certain parts because of the strengths of the actor and not because one guy can play everybody?

Hell, if that is the case, then Eddy Murphy has the most “range”.

I am really interested in who you think has so much “range”.

The crazy religious lady in the Mist has range but again that is only to a degree.[/quote]

Good day for me. Didn’t know I was going to get your little X panties all in a wad.
My statement was clear. Most Denzel, Pacino, DeNiro characters are retreads. They are virtually the same character, different film. Why did I say justifiably? This is why
They are one trick ponies, but they do that trick marvelously. They own it. They can play that one character to a tee. That is why comics can do just great impressions of them as well.

Who has range? Well, lets see. I have watched several Russell Crowe movies, playing characters from LA detectives, to gladiators, to brilliant, schizophrenic mathematician. Great characters. Each its own creation. Johnny Dept. That is a man with range. Pirate, gangster, Willy Wonka, you name it. Leonardo Decaprio. That kid can do it all. Hell, Jimm can go from talking with his ass in one movie, and jerking tears in the next.
How’s that for a few?[/quote]

If you think Decaprio has range this discussion is over.

Russel Crowe does have talent but his “range” is mostly due to his physical condition in each of his movies and the fact that he can do several different accents well. He deserves credit for doing what it takes to always LOOK the part.

The term “one trick pony” is not used on people who have seen success at their chosen profession for more than 2 decades across dozens of movies. You are naming actors who have had parts so significant that they have become a part of pop culture (if not history in general). People will be talking about Denzel, Pacino and DeNiro 50 years from now. That is no “one trick pony”.[/quote]

Whaaat lol I would say Decaprio has range for sure…damn for real Decaprio is no fuckin joke, I remember the craze over him when he first came out but all the movies he’s acted in have been great movies. At the moment I can’t think of any bad movies he’s done.

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Personally Spacey and Ed Norton are two of the better actors out there today. I don’t debate if they got range I just know when they play a part they own it and make it thiers. I am a bit drunk right now so sorry if you can understand me. X I dunno if you were trying to say I said all black people said Avatar is racist but I didn’t. Your the one that accused me of having a problem with that movie so don’t get mad when I tell you the reality of the situation.

Personall I could see the argument the black groups are issuing in Hollywood but not so much in Avatar. It is like Paul Mooney one time on Chappelle show when they did the movie ratings and ge actually just said what he was thinking. He was pissed because the Last samurai was Tom cruise and there was another movie maybe last of the mohicans or some thing and it starred a white guy to so he said fuck it you know what “I got an idea for a movie it’s called last nigger on earth starring tom cruise as the last nigger on earth” I think he ssaid cruise but i could be wrong. On a side note Paul Mooney Rocks. But I could understand the arguement there about hollywood using whites in the wrong places just to use whites.

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[quote]rasturai wrote:
Whaaat lol I would say Decaprio has range for sure…damn for real Decaprio is no fuckin joke, I remember the craze over him when he first came out but all the movies he’s acted in have been great movies. At the moment I can’t think of any bad movies he’s done.[/quote]

Hey rasturai, come on back over to the point then, eh? A movie star can have no range but still be in good movies and be good in their roles, that’s what’s being discussed. I think Leo makes a great wussy little white boy in all the movies he’s in.

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This movie was awesome. If, like some strange people in this thread, you have some issue with anything religious being discussed or acted out on screen, STAY HOME. Let the rest of us enjoy a truly bad ass movie.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
This looks alright. I like Denzel, but he plays the same role in every movie, or should I say he plays every role the same way. In every movie he does he has that “KING KONG AIN’T GOT SHIT ON ME!” moment. At least he’s consistent I guess. Probably wait until it hits the shelves.[/quote]

Exactly,
and Pacino and DeNiro as well. People praise them as actors, justifiably, but they have no range. Same character, different movie. [/quote]

If it is justifiable that they get praise, what are you bitching about? Very few actors on the planet have significant range to play any part and be unrecognizable…and even then it depends on the movie and the character.

Most people didn’t recognize Eric Bana in Star trek…and it isn’t like his make up was done in a way to obscure his face. Some might say Brad Pitt has some range, but in truth he does the same schizo act to different degrees as his only “range”.

Bruce Willis may have some range considering how he was in Death Becomes Her to Die Hard, but who is really acting on a level where you simply do not recognize them in different parts?

And further, why are people so damn picky when it comes to this topic as if they don’t get that certain actors are chosen for certain parts because of the strengths of the actor and not because one guy can play everybody?

Hell, if that is the case, then Eddy Murphy has the most “range”.

I am really interested in who you think has so much “range”.

The crazy religious lady in the Mist has range but again that is only to a degree.[/quote]

Russel Crowe has plenty of range.

He was in LA Confidential, Gladiator, A Beautiful Mind and The Insider.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
In fact, I would go as far as to say that someone like Ledger who can turn into someone else on screen probably has some mental instability issues that go along with that ability to lose themselves in a role.[/quote]

I think this is a very interesting idea. I don’t know if completely I agree that mental instability is what enables brilliant actors to truly represent their characters, but it very well could be. I do think that a wide range of life experiences, traumatic events, and relationships (both healthy and unhealthy) among other things are what allow great actors to be great.

In order to maintain “range”, one must be able to represent a wide spectrum of human emotion, and do so in such an authentic way that the audience can get lost in the possibility that what they are watching is believable, or could be real.

Ledger is a prime example of this, as he perfectly portrayed the twisted, demented, and psychotic side of the human mind. Although most people don’t display such characteristics outwardly, every person knows that such emotions and possibilities exist somewhere in their mind and manner, thus making such a representation truly frightening.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
This movie was awesome. If, like some strange people in this thread, you have some issue with anything religious being discussed or acted out on screen, STAY HOME. Let the rest of us enjoy a truly bad ass movie.[/quote]

Thanks, definitely going to go see it now. I fuckin’ hate spending the loot and time to sit down and have to sit through a disappointing movie. Denzel is my man though!!!

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PX and Wol, how were the action scenes in the movie? I think Denzel is a great actor, however some of the scenes when he’s fighting or moving quicky, he looked very stiff and unathletic. Was that the case in this movie, or did all of the action actually look good?

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[quote]RenegadeDragon wrote:
PX and Wol, how were the action scenes in the movie? I think Denzel is a great actor, however some of the scenes when he’s fighting or moving quicky, he looked very stiff and unathletic. Was that the case in this movie, or did all of the action actually look good?[/quote]

Stiff? No, not stiff. His fighting style was like a mix between the movie Equilibrium and the Bourne Identity…only with a huge fucking machete.

I know I want to see the scene between him and the chain saw again just to make sure I followed the movements.

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Oh, and just to add, part of me wanted to see way more fighting…but I also realize that any more would have lost the message of the movie completely. They had just enough. They had good actors in this.

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I like how all the brothers on here act like Denzel can do no wrong and defend everthing he does “Range?!?! Fuck that, he’s Denzel!!!”. “Stiff?!?! That motherfucker moves like a panther wearing a tutu!!!”. He’s old and plays every role the exact same way fellas, but he plays that role better than most.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I like how all the brothers on here act like Denzel can do no wrong and defend everthing he does “Range?!?! Fuck that, he’s Denzel!!!”. “Stiff?!?! That motherfucker moves like a panther wearing a tutu!!!”. He’s old and plays every role the exact same way fellas, but he plays that role better than most.[/quote]

?

Isn’t it much more interesting that in a thread started to discuss a movie that none of you have seen yet has caused so many of the white guys on this board to try to point out every possible negative aspect of an actor who is generally praised as being one of the best at what he does?

I mean, I was asked if his fighting moves looked stiff…and some guy who hasn’t seen the movie calls me out for saying he clearly had some training for this and was not stiff?

No, you tell me what I should be doing because your actions and the actions of some others here is what makes no sense.

What does any of what you are writing have to do with this movie?

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I like how all the brothers on here act like Denzel can do no wrong and defend everthing he does “Range?!?! Fuck that, he’s Denzel!!!”. “Stiff?!?! That motherfucker moves like a panther wearing a tutu!!!”. He’s old and plays every role the exact same way fellas, but he plays that role better than most.[/quote]

And I like how White Bread keeps calling us brothers and keeps hating on Denzel.

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I see no reason for arguments over race to enter this discussion.