Bone Scan Results

I just received the results from a bone scan I had several days ago. The Dr says that I have osteoporosis. The disease is not uncommon or life threatening. I do not have any symptoms. I wonder if any other T-Nation lifters have had the same problem?

Background: after several illnesses three years ago, I decided to clean up my act. I have been lifting for several years to gain back weight and add muscle (eg: 2 years ago weighed 158 lbs; now 175 lbs with some body fat increase to 16%). At first I felt energized by the new routine; however the spark has declined dramatically over the last 6-8 months. The Dr has run countless tests, this bone scan was the most recent. PSA, cholesterol, c-reactive protein and other markers are all fine except for this result and low T. ( 10 free test and 350 total )

Web MD indicates that in senior men (I am 62) osteoporosis is common and may be caused by low testosterone. I have read several other posts about testosterone replacement therapy (TRT, HRT) on T-Nation. I did not see any discussion about osteoporosis. Does anyone have experience with TRT and osteoporosis? If so, has it helped?

Yes TRT will typically halt bone loss and can often reverse the process and increase bone density. You will need to take calcium and magnesium. Not calcium alone. Vitamin D and boron are also needed.

Read this for starters:

You will want to do TRT for many reasons and the positive effects on bone density will be bonus.

If you drink milk or like cheese and other dairy products, read up on milk. Cows milk is not intended for human consumption and actually increases bone loss. Use coral calcium instead and follow the suggestions the other person left about the other vitamins/minerals.

There is tons of information on natural ways to reverse bone loss. I say avoid all pharmaceuticals unless absolutely postively necessary

[quote]tai1spin wrote:
If you drink milk or like cheese and other dairy products, read up on milk. Cows milk is not intended for human consumption and actually increases bone loss. Use coral calcium instead and follow the suggestions the other person left about the other vitamins/minerals.

There is tons of information on natural ways to reverse bone loss. I say avoid all pharmaceuticals unless absolutely postively necessary[/quote]

Coral calcium is calcium carbonate,the least absorbable form of Ca.
Get calcium aspertate,citrate or malate.
They range 50-80% absorbable.
Calcium carbonate is only 10%.
Dr. Tim

Read this for starters:
lef.org/protocols/metabolic_health/osteoporosis_01.htm

Thanks KSman. I read the info on the link and found it very encouraging and helpful. I will copy it and discuss with the doc when I see him later this month.

[quote]drtim wrote:
tai1spin wrote:
If you drink milk or like cheese and other dairy products, read up on milk. Cows milk is not intended for human consumption and actually increases bone loss. Use coral calcium instead and follow the suggestions the other person left about the other vitamins/minerals.

There is tons of information on natural ways to reverse bone loss. I say avoid all pharmaceuticals unless absolutely postively necessary

Coral calcium is calcium carbonate,the least absorbable form of Ca.
Get calcium aspertate,citrate or malate.
They range 50-80% absorbable.
Calcium carbonate is only 10%.
Dr. Tim[/quote]

Thanks for yor advice… but help me out folks. What is the problem with cows milk. And which is the best (better) form of calcium.

Maybe DrTim and Tai1Spin can help clarify.

[quote]Gett’n_Better wrote:
drtim wrote:
tai1spin wrote:
If you drink milk or like cheese and other dairy products, read up on milk. Cows milk is not intended for human consumption and actually increases bone loss. Use coral calcium instead and follow the suggestions the other person left about the other vitamins/minerals.

There is tons of information on natural ways to reverse bone loss. I say avoid all pharmaceuticals unless absolutely postively necessary

Coral calcium is calcium carbonate,the least absorbable form of Ca.
Get calcium aspertate,citrate or malate.
They range 50-80% absorbable.
Calcium carbonate is only 10%.
Dr. Tim

Thanks for yor advice… but help me out folks. What is the problem with cows milk. And which is the best (better) form of calcium.

Maybe DrTim and Tai1Spin can help clarify.
[/quote]

Some folks think that dairy products are evil. Hard to explain. Milk should not be your only supplement to food for Ca… too much fat and hormones. Remember that Ca alone is not good enough.

[quote]KSman wrote:

Some folks think that dairy products are evil. Hard to explain. Milk should not be your only supplement to food for Ca… too much fat and hormones. Remember that Ca alone is not good enough.[/quote]

KSman: I have skim with breakfast sometimes and with pre/post protein shakes. Can you guide me to sources of info about milk. I know some stuff about the hormones but is there more?

I am no doctor, but I do seem to recall from my days studying nutrition that Calcium/Magnesium supplementation reversed tooth decay in most subjects. Since teeth are basically bones it follows that you can probably reverse the osteoperosis with a CalMag supplement.

You might consider HGH. In a study of men between 60 & 80 it increased bone density approximately 14% (if I am remebering corectly). It is one of many studies of the effects oh HGH, it also helped the soft tisssues of ligaments,cartlidge and tendons. Just finished up 200 IUS and all my parts feel good. Of course I would reccomende you really research well. Good luck…

[quote]beebuddy wrote:
… Calcium/Magnesium supplementation …can probably reverse the osteoperosis …

Thought I had this coverd with my multi-vitamins but just looked at the label and it says Calcium @ 21% and Magnesium @ 30% RDA sooo… 1)read the lable closer and 2)get some supplements.

Info on Milk from Wikipedia:

Milk that has not received a fat content reduction is rich in saturated fat and cholesterol, which numerous sources have suggested as contributing to an increased risk of atherosclerosis and coronary heart disease. Low-fat and non-fat forms of milk may mitigate this risk[citation needed].

Cow milk allergy (CMA) is as an immunologically mediated adverse reaction to one or more cow’s milk proteins. Rarely it is severe enough to cause death.

Milk contains varying levels of white blood cells, depending upon the health of the source animals; controversy surrounds whether these are simply somatic cells or, in an alternate form, pus [8]. In the United States, one to seven drops of these cells are in every eight-ounce glass of milk, varying by state, according to guidelines set up by the Food and Drug Administration and statistics reported by the dairy industry [9]. Only one state out of all fifty, Hawaii, has a cell count lower than the dairy industry’s recommendations; seventeen states produce milk that would be illegal to sell based on somatic cell limits in Europe.

Since November 1993, with FDA approval, Monsanto has been selling recombinant bovine somatotropin (rbST)–or rBGH–to dairy farmers. Bovine growth hormone is administered to cattle in order to increase their milk production, though the hormone also naturally fosters liver production of insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF1). The deposit, thereof, in the milk of rBGH-affected cattle has been the source of concern, however all milk contains IGF1. The IGF1 in milk from rBGH-affected cattle does not vary from the range normally found in a non-supplemented cow. Elevated levels of IGF1 in human blood has been linked to increased rates of breast, colon, and prostate cancer by stimulating their growth [10] [11], though this has not been linked to milk consumption. The EU has recommended against Monsanto milk.[12]

In addition, the cows frequently contract an udder infection known as mastitis, partly responsible for the aforementioned prevalence of blood cells in dairy products [13]. Milk from rBGH-affected cattle is banned in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Japan due to the mastitis problems.

On June 9, 2006 the largest milk processor in the world and the two largest supermarkets in the United States–Dean Foods, Wal-Mart, and Kroger–announced that they are “on a nationwide search for rBGH-free milk [1].”

Several sources suggest a correlation between high calcium intake (2000 mg per day, or twice the US recommended daily allowance, equivalent to six or more glasses of milk per day) and prostate cancer [14]. A large study specifically implicates dairy [15]. A review published by the World Cancer Research Fund and the American Institute for Cancer Research states that at least eleven human population studies have linked dairy product consumption and prostate cancer.[citation needed]

[quote]Gett’n_Better wrote:
Info on Milk from Wikipedia:

Elevated levels of IGF1 in human blood has been linked to increased rates of breast, colon, and prostate cancer by stimulating their growth

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This is not correct. The only thing that might be claimed is that increased IGF-1 would make any pre-existing cancers grow faster as all cell growth is accelerated with higher IGF-1. This issue has been dealt with in clinical studies of HGH therapy. HGH and IGF-1 do not cause or create cancers. And the immune systems of people with low HGH status are less able to eliminate cancerous cells than those who have higher HGH or are on HGH HRT. Claiming such a “link” is bogus.

Check this bone supplement out, it is one of the better formulations on the market:

http://aor.ca/related_research/ortho_bone.php

[quote]Gett’n_Better wrote:
Info on Milk from Wikipedia:

Several sources suggest a correlation between high calcium intake (2000 mg per day, or twice the US recommended daily allowance, equivalent to six or more glasses of milk per day) and prostate cancer [14].
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The fact that such a correlation exists does not in any way support the implication that calcium is responsible for this. Again this is a very misleading statement which “suggests” that someone has an axe to grind and is not simply passing on information.

The most obvious cause of such high milk consumption problems would be the fat content, with the implications of obesity and syndrome-x and the estrogens in the milk. Along with the body fat profiles of syndrome-X (or metabolic disorder), it is known that the body fat is converting a lot of T–>E. For older guys on that state, they are estrogen dominant and may gave higher E than their peri or post menopausal wives. Estrogen promotes BPH. So blame fat and estrogens, not calcium.

The calcium-cancer link is all over the web; as are many urban myths. The observation that there are more prostate cancers in countries that have higher dairy consumption does not cut it at all. We also eat more beef so we get lots more omega-6 fats. The fact that high milk calcium might be increasing the demand for vitamin D may be more of a statement that many are vitamin D deficient… which is well known. As milk is vitamin D fortified in many countries, this premise seems all the weaker.

Milk and type I diabetes:

Milk is the leading cause of type I diabetes. When young kids/babies are fed cows milk, there are proteins in the milk that go through the immature gut and into the blood stream without been reduced to constituent amino acids. One of these proteins can create an immune response in some. The structure of that protein has some similarities to cells in the pancreas. The result is an auto-immune attack on one’s own pancreas and the result is diabetes and a life long dependence on insulin and complications of therapy.

The link was long suspected. The clincher was a study of south pacific populations that (then) had no dairy in their culture at all and very low type I diabetes. Studies of these people who had moved to New Zealand and not married out side of there group, showed type one diabetes rates in their children that are typical of other populations. What was the difference? New Zealand is the diary capital of the southern hemisphere.

(Some adults who are healthy, fit and lean can also get an auto-immune diabetes. This is seen to happen after an infection or virus that is though to trigger the immune response.)

[quote]KSman wrote:
Milk and type I diabetes:

KSman… thanks for all the great info.

The info on milk that I posted was from the internet encyclopedia Wikipedia.

I am sure you know that Wikipedia info can be edited by anyone and probably attracts folks that have a different view of the world or a least issues they want to bring forward. As such many postings may not reflect the whole truth!

I was searching for info on milk and this site was near the top in MsDewey.com. Again thanks KSman and eveyone else that helped out.

Press On

[quote]Gett’n_Better wrote:
KSman wrote:
Milk and type I diabetes:

KSman… thanks for all the great info.

The info on milk that I posted was from the internet encyclopedia Wikipedia.

I am sure you know that Wikipedia info can be edited by anyone and probably attracts folks that have a different view of the world or a least issues they want to bring forward. As such many postings may not reflect the whole truth!

I was searching for info on milk and this site was near the top in MsDewey.com. Again thanks KSman and eveyone else that helped out.

Press On
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[quote]Gett’n_Better wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
… Calcium/Magnesium supplementation …can probably reverse the osteoporosis …

Thought I had this coverd with my multi-vitamins but just looked at the label and it says Calcium @ 21% and Magnesium @ 30% RDA sooo… 1)read the lable closer and 2)get some supplements. [/quote]

I suspect that multi’s are not a good enough source of calcium for someone diagnosed with osteoporosis. If I had to make a recommendation it would be a Calcium/Magnesium/Vit. D supplement because those three compounds work synergistically in the body.

[quote]beebuddy wrote:
Gett’n_Better wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
… Calcium/Magnesium supplementation …can probably reverse the osteoporosis …

Thought I had this coverd with my multi-vitamins but just looked at the label and it says Calcium @ 21% and Magnesium @ 30% RDA sooo… 1)read the lable closer and 2)get some supplements.

I suspect that multi’s are not a good enough source of calcium for someone diagnosed with osteoporosis. If I had to make a recommendation it would be a Calcium/Magnesium/Vit. D supplement because those three compounds work synergistically in the body.[/quote]

Add boron, vitamin K, folate/folic acid and hormones. Search and there is probably other stuff too. Many calcium products are completely inadequate.