[quote]Professor X wrote:
yogaroots wrote:
I think we can “agree to disagree” eventhough I think we’re saying the same thing, but in a different way. I just remember football players in college going on gear and in six months their jacked. All other factors being equal- a natural trainer can’t make gains that fast.
Not being sarcastic but, are natural bodybuilders smaller than gear users because they don’t work as hard? I would say ‘no’…what do you think?
Most GOOD football players have better genetics than most of the population in the first place. Most of them can make tremendous progress by simply being pointed in the right direction as far as training and eating.
You are now blaming all of their progress on drug use when I am betting the real truth is you don’t have a fucking clue when or IF they were even using anything outside of your own speculation.
I’ve seen way too many guys blow up in their first year training for football to jump to that conclusion. I was one of them and I have trained others and watched them literally inflate over the course of months simply because they had the genetic base to start with and began eating right and often.
Beyond that, the guys who can even get to the size of most competitors in national competitions are few and far between no matter what they do. Do you honestly think Ronnie Coleman is that size ONLY because of steroids?
The man has better genetics than damn near everyone else on the planet aside from those standing right there next to him on stage.
How can you call something a “short cut” when many of these guys were, for the most part, already bigger than most before they ever used anything?
There are far too many people on anabolics who DON’T make much progress at all to make that assumption.
What people are responding to is how you are trying to make it seem like those who do go that route simply have to work less hard. That’s retarded. Most of the guys who truly are on that level work harder than any of the people judging them out of the corner of their eye in the gym.
If some bodybuilder is eating 8,000cals every single day without fail and making it to the gym like it’s his job 5 and 6 days a week, you can bet his level of dedication is like you have never seen in and out of the gym.[/quote]
No worries man. It’s not about me judging someones work ethic. It’s just my observation that hard work obviously isn’t enough, neither is genetics. If hard work was enough Mr. Coleman wouldn’t use.
The people that win in this sport work their butts off and have the best genes- I know that. That’s not enough. Anyone that wants to get on stage next to anyone at the arnold classic has to be on gear. Because genes and hard work will not be enough.
In regards to the football players. I was speaking of guys that I had personal convo with. The ones that were candid with me, none of my statements are made in a vacum. I get my info from folks that have been candid with me.
In regards to me ‘being focused on everyone else’, I’m not. I built a quality physique and flexibility from hard work and dedication. I don’t judge anyone, it’s a personal decision.
I just don’t believe marion jones would have won all those medals without using. Apparently she didn’t think she could have either. She put it on the line, and lost everything.
I’m sure her and Ben Johnson worked really hard and have the great genes. But that just wasn’t enough. Dexter Jackson (Arnold Classic winner) works VERY HARD and has great genetics. But that’s just not enough.
Like I said in the last post we don’t need to agree on this. We’re not the only two people that have conflicting ideas and opinions on the topic. Be well.
