Bodybuilding with 'Light' Weights?

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]jstreet0204 wrote:

I’m the same way. My bench workout always starts with the bar for 30, 135 for 20, and 225 for 15. I never count those as working sets, but anybody watching me for the first 5 minutes is not going to be very impressed. I get the occasional smart ass asking me if I need a spot when I’m benching the bar :slight_smile:

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What can we say, it’s a wonderful ice breaker joke. Specially if you run over to him while he’s doing it and get the attention of some pretty girl looking at your buddy struggling with the bar. Then your buddy gets up laughs hard and slaps you on the head then…Hold up I’m having a man luv moment…

To the op besides what everybody else already said, some body parts respond better to different rep schemes. It always seemed to me that most peoples biceps respond best to high volume, and high TUT. Which is why 21’s were so popular backin the day.

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its not about the weight in BB, its all volume.

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I think the same should be said for those that bash trainers on here for using stability balls, resistance bands, BOSUs (granted I hardly ever use a BOSU with clients any more).

Just because something doesn’t fit your idea of lifting doesn’t mean it’s not effective.

A lot of clients have a ton of issues that have to be taken into account (injuries, health problems being the main two). Hell, I’ve trained a few people that are on so many different pain meds it’s a miracle they can make it to the gym.

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I think the same should be said for those that bash trainers on here for using stability balls, resistance bands, BOSUs (granted I hardly ever use a BOSU with clients any more).

Just because something doesn’t fit your idea of lifting doesn’t mean it’s not effective.

A lot of clients have a ton of issues that have to be taken into account (injuries, health problems being the main two). Hell, I’ve trained a few people that are on so many different pain meds it’s a miracle they can make it to the gym.[/quote]

There’s a rather huge difference…RESULTS. I don’t give a shit how that huge fucker is lifting because it is OBVIOUSLY working for him. The same can not be said for the millions of skinny fat lifters who no one could tell lift by looking at them as they all hop on bouncing balancing balls while trying to do squats as their less than well trained or informed personal trainer looks on in support of the acrobatics.

Are we really discussing special needs patients? Why?

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[quote]ZeusNathan wrote:
its not about the weight in BB, its all volume.[/quote]

LOL

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
I think the same should be said for those that bash trainers on here for using stability balls, resistance bands, BOSUs (granted I hardly ever use a BOSU with clients any more).

Just because something doesn’t fit your idea of lifting doesn’t mean it’s not effective.

A lot of clients have a ton of issues that have to be taken into account (injuries, health problems being the main two). Hell, I’ve trained a few people that are on so many different pain meds it’s a miracle they can make it to the gym.

There’s a rather huge difference…RESULTS. I don’t give a shit how that huge fucker is lifting because it is OBVIOUSLY working for him. The same can not be said for the millions of skinny fat lifters who no one could tell lift by looking at them as they all hop on bouncing balancing balls while trying to do squats as their less than well trained or informed personal trainer looks on in support of the acrobatics.

Are we really discussing special needs patients? Why?[/quote]

I just wanted to point out, that people shouldn’t jump to conclusions. If someone isn’t ripped and in shape, doing a stability ball exercise or BOSU, doesn’t mean the trainer doesn’t know what they’r doing. It could possibly be that the person has some issues that require different attention.
BTW- majority of the time, that’s probably not the case, but it should be noted.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
I think the same should be said for those that bash trainers on here for using stability balls, resistance bands, BOSUs (granted I hardly ever use a BOSU with clients any more).

Just because something doesn’t fit your idea of lifting doesn’t mean it’s not effective.

A lot of clients have a ton of issues that have to be taken into account (injuries, health problems being the main two). Hell, I’ve trained a few people that are on so many different pain meds it’s a miracle they can make it to the gym.

There’s a rather huge difference…RESULTS. I don’t give a shit how that huge fucker is lifting because it is OBVIOUSLY working for him. The same can not be said for the millions of skinny fat lifters who no one could tell lift by looking at them as they all hop on bouncing balancing balls while trying to do squats as their less than well trained or informed personal trainer looks on in support of the acrobatics.

Are we really discussing special needs patients? Why?[/quote]

I just wanted to point out, that people shouldn’t jump to conclusions. If someone isn’t ripped and in shape, doing a stability ball exercise or BOSU, doesn’t mean the trainer doesn’t know what they’r doing.

It could possibly be that the person has some issues that require different attention.
BTW- majority of the time, that’s probably not the case, but it should be noted.

ps-some of these special needs people you wouldn’t know by looking at them.

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I share the same thoughts as Proffesor X. Many thick men started out and got to being thick by lifting weights but later in their lifting careers, turned to lighter weights and higher reps. Nasser El Sonbaty is an example of this. But then again, he tapped out his genetic peak in his later career as an IFBB pro.

I have the same observations as Dante Trudel. The most top BBers, the freak massive ones, move some serious weight and eat like bears. We are talking about Gary Strydom, Mike Matarazzo, Dorian Yates, Greg Kovacs (didn’t have stellar aesthetics but was big as a house), Chris Duffy, Michael Francois, and Phil Hernon.

These guys really moved weights and were always looking to add more weight to the bar. Then you have people like Flex Wheeler and Shawn Ray, whose physiques stayed the same for years, guys that didn’t really chase the weights and ate the same diet for years.

I have seen Flex Wheeler train in videos and I thought it was a joke. The guy handled weights I could handle with no problem and was either joking and giggling between sets or looked like he was half asleep. If I remember correctly, I think he was once doing seated forward lateral raises with 15 lbers in one of his videos.

Then again, some guys do really grow off of higher reps. Dave Tate said he grew best off of sets of 10 - 15 reps.

Like Proffesor, I too have more warmup sets now in my lifting schedule simply because I move more weight on my working sets now. There is no way I am touching any exercise with >315 without at least 3 to 4 warmup sets. I usually do 3 warmups sets for the first big exercise of a session.

Yes, there are people who have different needs who do not require intensity with >70% of the max for their circumstance. But I thought we were just talking about healthy bodybuilders here, not people being physically rehabilitated to simply function like a normal human being.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

Yes, there are people who have different needs who do not require intensity with >70% of the max for their circumstance. But I thought we were just talking about healthy bodybuilders here, not people being physically rehabilitated to simply function like a normal human being. [/quote]

Yes, I did kind of change the subject. It was just something that I was thinking about recently and I wanted to mention it :shrug:

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[quote]yogaroots wrote:
JJ wrote:
Yeah… those juiceheads can just look at a DB and they’ll grow…

Perhaps you should go see Bigger Faster Stronger and you’ll leave the theater Smarter, Wiser and Knowledgeable.

If gear didn’t make this easier- NOBODY would bother doing it. It’s a short cut. I thought that was common knowledge. Go see the movie PLEASE.[/quote]

Steroids aren’t magic, sure they aid in recovery and can increase muscle growth themselves, but hard work is still needed to make significant progress on them.
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[quote]JoeG254 wrote:
yogaroots wrote:
JJ wrote:
Yeah… those juiceheads can just look at a DB and they’ll grow…

Perhaps you should go see Bigger Faster Stronger and you’ll leave the theater Smarter, Wiser and Knowledgeable.

If gear didn’t make this easier- NOBODY would bother doing it. It’s a short cut. I thought that was common knowledge. Go see the movie PLEASE.

Steroids aren’t magic, sure they aid in recovery and can increase muscle growth themselves, but hard work is still needed to make significant progress on them.
,[/quote]

true but they do make a huge difference. I hate a lot of steroid users who are like, ‘look at this its all me’ no its not. Most users are older though and its just allows them to continue to train when there body starts to slow down.

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[quote]shizen wrote:
JoeG254 wrote:
yogaroots wrote:
JJ wrote:
Yeah… those juiceheads can just look at a DB and they’ll grow…

Perhaps you should go see Bigger Faster Stronger and you’ll leave the theater Smarter, Wiser and Knowledgeable.

If gear didn’t make this easier- NOBODY would bother doing it. It’s a short cut. I thought that was common knowledge. Go see the movie PLEASE.

Steroids aren’t magic, sure they aid in recovery and can increase muscle growth themselves, but hard work is still needed to make significant progress on them.
,

true but they do make a huge difference. I hate a lot of steroid users who are like, ‘look at this its all me’ no its not. Most users are older though and its just allows them to continue to train when there body starts to slow down. [/quote]

Definitely true, also some people respond extremely well to steroids, but I’d say for the most part steroid users have to work hard to get good results, even if they have some help from Vitamin S.

I’d say the person who wants to take steroids because he doesn’t work hard enough to make progress on his own probably won’t make great gains on steroids, and probably won’t put the time and effort in to find out how to use steroids properly.

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[quote]JoeG254 wrote:
shizen wrote:
JoeG254 wrote:
yogaroots wrote:
JJ wrote:
Yeah… those juiceheads can just look at a DB and they’ll grow…

Perhaps you should go see Bigger Faster Stronger and you’ll leave the theater Smarter, Wiser and Knowledgeable.

If gear didn’t make this easier- NOBODY would bother doing it. It’s a short cut. I thought that was common knowledge. Go see the movie PLEASE.

Steroids aren’t magic, sure they aid in recovery and can increase muscle growth themselves, but hard work is still needed to make significant progress on them.
,

true but they do make a huge difference. I hate a lot of steroid users who are like, ‘look at this its all me’ no its not. Most users are older though and its just allows them to continue to train when there body starts to slow down.

Definitely true, also some people respond extremely well to steroids, but I’d say for the most part steroid users have to work hard to get good results, even if they have some help from Vitamin S.

I’d say the person who wants to take steroids because he doesn’t work hard enough to make progress on his own probably won’t make great gains on steroids, and probably won’t put the time and effort in to find out how to use steroids properly. [/quote]

yep in fact you have to train harder and eat more then you ever would normally, but when you do the gains are ridiculous for the most part.

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Am I the only person who thinks doing STANDING weight bearing exercise on an unstable surface is by definition dangerous? Especially for inexperienced uncoordinated housewives and couch potatoes?

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Am I the only person who thinks doing STANDING weight bearing exercise on an unstable surface is by definition dangerous? Especially for inexperienced uncoordinated housewives and couch potatoes? [/quote]

Yes, you’re right. There should be a natural progression to things.

It makes no sense to have someone stand on an unstable surface if they can’t balance on one leg. You’d be surprised how many people struggle with balance/stability while doing a lunge of all things.

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[quote]ZeusNathan wrote:
its not about the weight in BB, its all volume.[/quote]

I don’t know about that man.

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[quote]shizen wrote:
JoeG254 wrote:
yogaroots wrote:
JJ wrote:
Yeah… those juiceheads can just look at a DB and they’ll grow…

Perhaps you should go see Bigger Faster Stronger and you’ll leave the theater Smarter, Wiser and Knowledgeable.

If gear didn’t make this easier- NOBODY would bother doing it. It’s a short cut. I thought that was common knowledge. Go see the movie PLEASE.

Steroids aren’t magic, sure they aid in recovery and can increase muscle growth themselves, but hard work is still needed to make significant progress on them.
,

true but they do make a huge difference. I hate a lot of steroid users who are like, ‘look at this its all me’ no its not. Most users are older though and its just allows them to continue to train when there body starts to slow down. [/quote]

My point is simple. If they didn’t work nobody would use them. yes you still have to work hard. If you take 2 people that lift with the same intensity and have similar genetics, and diet. The person with gear is going to make better gains. I am wrong?!

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Out of habit I simply skimmed right past your post the first time around but you have got to be kidding me here.

[quote]ZeusNathan wrote:
its not about the weight in BB, its all volume.[/quote]

Is it not getting through your head that the biggest guys in the gym are usually the strongest for reps in movements? The largest mutants to walk the planet in the last decade(Ronnie, various strongmen, whoever) are all significantly stronger than you. You really think it’s the fact that they do more(if they even do lol) volume?

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[quote]yogaroots wrote:
shizen wrote:
JoeG254 wrote:
yogaroots wrote:
JJ wrote:
Yeah… those juiceheads can just look at a DB and they’ll grow…

Perhaps you should go see Bigger Faster Stronger and you’ll leave the theater Smarter, Wiser and Knowledgeable.

If gear didn’t make this easier- NOBODY would bother doing it. It’s a short cut. I thought that was common knowledge. Go see the movie PLEASE.

Steroids aren’t magic, sure they aid in recovery and can increase muscle growth themselves, but hard work is still needed to make significant progress on them.
,

true but they do make a huge difference. I hate a lot of steroid users who are like, ‘look at this its all me’ no its not. Most users are older though and its just allows them to continue to train when there body starts to slow down.

My point is simple. If they didn’t work nobody would use them. yes you still have to work hard. If you take 2 people that lift with the same intensity and have similar genetics, and diet. The person with gear is going to make better gains. I am wrong?![/quote]

The thing is more steroid users get offended by people who don’t use, since mostly there like ‘well you use gear so your gains don’t mean shit to me’ those same guys are working their ass off even more sometimes since they are wasting a lot of money if they don’t. I have no problem with them in general, prob use when older. Hell the longer you wait the better off you are, since the first cycle is your best.

Anyways the whole ‘using light weight’ if those guys who are using light weight are big then maybe its not that bad of an idea huh? I don’t know how everyone is like ‘i saw this one guy do quarter rep or low weight’ its like you assume they train like this all the time.

Personally I always say try everything, its best to constantly experiment especially when your starting out to see what works best for you.

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[quote]yogaroots wrote:
My point is simple. If they didn’t work nobody would use them. yes you still have to work hard. If you take 2 people that lift with the same intensity and have similar genetics, and diet. The person with gear is going to make better gains. I am wrong?![/quote]

Not wrong, but it would be more correct to say the person on gear will experience faster recovery (which will allow them to train more frequently) and increased protein synthesis (which will lead to more rapid strength and muscle gains).

Of course, they will still have to do [u]ALL[/u] the eating and lifting that those gains would normally require. But because of that enhanced recovery factor, it’s much more appropriate to think of AAS as an ‘accelerator’ as opposed to a ‘shortcut.’