I’d be interested to know a few different theories and experiences with competitors’, ‘peak week’ experiences regarding water manipulation, carb-loading etc. what worked, what didn’t work and what would you do differently?[/quote]
This would be interesting and also, can water make someone look fat even if they aren’t[/quote]
Fat, no. Not shredded, yes. IMO
Just think about the number of times you heard about someone “spilling out”
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
Here’s something i’ve always wondered. I’ve heard that while dieting for a contest or any extreme cut you should include more heavy lifting as it basically tells your body to retain muscle. Any truth to this? Or is it broscience?[/quote]
I’ve read a lot of article by Christian Thibaudeau (mostly from the years where he was publishing 1 article a week, 2007-2008) and probably others strongly suggesting it. I believe it’s a solid advice. [/quote]
Like Tim said imo keep doing what built the muscle will make that muscle stay
When do ya’ll think someone is ‘ready’ to compete? Obviously lifting for 3 months isn’t enough time under the bar to do that, but when do you think someone’s ‘ready’?
I want to do a Physique show (which I know is kind of a different animal in regards to conditioning and look then BB’ing) later this fall/winter, but right now, being 6’2" and 195 lbs (see avi for glance at BF%), I know I’m far from being ‘big’ or at my potential.
Is it one of those things ya’ll think is sometimes good just for the experience?[/quote]
IMO it depends on what is your goal with competing
If its to win then obviously watch for other competitors and see how you do
If its for fun/the experience then imo… do it. But dont have your expectations too high
It will still be beneficial as post contest is the best time to gain, IMO
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
In regards to a Physique show does anyone think its detrimental to get to bodybuilding leanness and if so why?[/quote]
I’ve seen shows where it seems to be appreciated by the judges, and others where they seem to frown on it. There are a couple of physique competitors at my gym, and while they differ quite a bit in size (the “I wanted to be a bodybuilder but I couldn’t get my legs up to par” and the “I’ll never pack on enough size anywhere so I’ll do this” types) they both hold back quite a bit in terms of conditioning. So the attitude seems to be “tight, but not shredded”
S[/quote]
IMO its just a matter of water depletion vs no water depletion
Also : flexing muscle vs staying in a relaxed position lol
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
General consensus on carbs the last 4 weeks before a show?
Tapered down and then cut completely before beginning glycogen depletion stuff or what?[/quote]
It really depends on a number of factors, namely, what has your diet been all throughout prep.
Usually, people are making diet changed until 1 week out when they begin peak week work so, your body/metabolism will dictate the number of carbs you are eating at that time.
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ebomb hit the nail on the head. Big endomorph types may be at 50g carbs leading up to a show where as those darn ectos (like myself) can eat 300g the week before peak week.
How both of those people approach the final week would definitely be different.[/quote]
Would it be wise to test what you would do prep week, 4 weeks before the show?
Like I am planning on trying the 6 days til shredded guidelines but I have never done anything regarding glycogen depletion or water manipulation before.
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I personally THINK physique guys shouldnt try to cut and flush the water[/quote]
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
Would it be wise to test what you would do prep week, 4 weeks before the show?
Like I am planning on trying the 6 days til shredded guidelines but I have never done anything regarding glycogen depletion or water manipulation before.
[/quote]
In general terms, you want to know how your body responds to depletion and also to very high amounts of carbs.
Would I run a full prep week 4 weeks out? Probably not, but that also depends on what the prep week is like. A more moderate prep week like Layne Norton lays out in his contest prep article could probably be done.
6 days until shredded is not something I would do 4 weeks out.
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
Would it be wise to test what you would do prep week, 4 weeks before the show?
Like I am planning on trying the 6 days til shredded guidelines but I have never done anything regarding glycogen depletion or water manipulation before.
[/quote]
In general terms, you want to know how your body responds to depletion and also to very high amounts of carbs.
Would I run a full prep week 4 weeks out? Probably not, but that also depends on what the prep week is like. A more moderate prep week like Layne Norton lays out in his contest prep article could probably be done.
6 days until shredded is not something I would do 4 weeks out.[/quote]
Ok, thanks very much for the help, will hunt down the article you were talking about!
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
General consensus on carbs the last 4 weeks before a show?
Tapered down and then cut completely before beginning glycogen depletion stuff or what?[/quote]
It really depends on a number of factors, namely, what has your diet been all throughout prep.
Usually, people are making diet changed until 1 week out when they begin peak week work so, your body/metabolism will dictate the number of carbs you are eating at that time.
[/quote]
ebomb hit the nail on the head. Big endomorph types may be at 50g carbs leading up to a show where as those darn ectos (like myself) can eat 300g the week before peak week.
How both of those people approach the final week would definitely be different.[/quote]
Would it be wise to test what you would do prep week, 4 weeks before the show?
Like I am planning on trying the 6 days til shredded guidelines but I have never done anything regarding glycogen depletion or water manipulation before.
[/quote]
I personally THINK physique guys shouldnt try to cut and flush the water[/quote]
Oh ok, whys that?
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Cause ive never seen a top physique guys striated all over the place yet if you look at their pics 2-3days out from a show they pretty much look just as lean as bbers do 2-3 days out
Flushign water and going dry kinda is a “freak” factor and they dont want none of that in physique
[quote]Mdgray82 wrote:
I’m wondering what levels of definition people use to gauge where they should be in their prep at different time periods.[/quote]
Its really hard to gauge in your first prep. That’s why hiring a coach for that first prep is a good move imo
Afterward well you can just compare and adjust based on how you came in on your first go
[quote]Mdgray82 wrote:
I’m wondering what levels of definition people use to gauge where they should be in their prep at different time periods.[/quote]
Its really hard to gauge in your first prep. That’s why hiring a coach for that first prep is a good move imo
Afterward well you can just compare and adjust based on how you came in on your first go[/quote]
^X2
I got into the habit of taking weekly photos of every relaxed and mandatory pose during my first contest prep. Having those to look at a year later, as I started getting ready for another show, but from a different bodyweight, gave me much more of an idea what I should look like (to some degree), than worrying if I weighed the same - which I didn’t.
I’m whiter than wolfe and my show is almost 8 weeks away, tips?[/quote]
I was in your position and tried to get some sun tanning in before the spray tanning… Its a complete waste of time. The spray on tan is so dark and (if you’re like me) you’d have to tan for WEEKS, maybe months, to even get a decent “base” … To have it completely overshadowed by the spray on stuff.
If you are going to spring for the spray on tan, or the at home paint on stuff, dont waste your time laying out or going to a tanning salon.
I’m whiter than wolfe and my show is almost 8 weeks away, tips?[/quote]
I was in your position and tried to get some sun tanning in before the spray tanning… Its a complete waste of time. The spray on tan is so dark and (if you’re like me) you’d have to tan for WEEKS, maybe months, to even get a decent “base” … To have it completely overshadowed by the spray on stuff.
If you are going to spring for the spray on tan, or the at home paint on stuff, dont waste your time laying out or going to a tanning salon.[/quote]
I personally disagree
So does JM and Skip apparently
The darker you are the darker the tan is going to look
For injury prevention and making your shoulders look like a bodybuilder’s, is training the rear delts first, laterals second and overhead pressing last a good strategy?
I’m whiter than wolfe and my show is almost 8 weeks away, tips?[/quote]
I was in your position and tried to get some sun tanning in before the spray tanning… Its a complete waste of time. The spray on tan is so dark and (if you’re like me) you’d have to tan for WEEKS, maybe months, to even get a decent “base” … To have it completely overshadowed by the spray on stuff.
If you are going to spring for the spray on tan, or the at home paint on stuff, dont waste your time laying out or going to a tanning salon.[/quote]
I personally disagree
So does JM and Skip apparently
The darker you are the darker the tan is going to look
And apparently the darker the better
Its not a life changer though[/quote]
melanotan II
used to be pale and blonde… now im dark and brunette lol no joke
I’m whiter than wolfe and my show is almost 8 weeks away, tips?[/quote]
I was in your position and tried to get some sun tanning in before the spray tanning… Its a complete waste of time. The spray on tan is so dark and (if you’re like me) you’d have to tan for WEEKS, maybe months, to even get a decent “base” … To have it completely overshadowed by the spray on stuff.
If you are going to spring for the spray on tan, or the at home paint on stuff, dont waste your time laying out or going to a tanning salon.[/quote]
I personally disagree
So does JM and Skip apparently
The darker you are the darker the tan is going to look
And apparently the darker the better
Its not a life changer though[/quote]
I’m sure it can certainly give you “the edge” if everything else is equal, but for the time and money it can take up it might not be worth it for those on a tight budget or busy schedule. I probably spent 10-12 hours tanning, and was probably in for $500 after the tanning/comp fees. Another 75-100 bucks tanning at a salon would add up
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
Question for the vets:
For injury prevention and making your shoulders look like a bodybuilder’s, is training the rear delts first, laterals second and overhead pressing last a good strategy?[/quote]
That strategy is gaining popularity, largely in part to the spread of Meadows style training. Hell, I don’t even think most of his workouts have pressing in them at all.
I’m whiter than wolfe and my show is almost 8 weeks away, tips?[/quote]
I was in your position and tried to get some sun tanning in before the spray tanning… Its a complete waste of time. The spray on tan is so dark and (if you’re like me) you’d have to tan for WEEKS, maybe months, to even get a decent “base” … To have it completely overshadowed by the spray on stuff.
If you are going to spring for the spray on tan, or the at home paint on stuff, dont waste your time laying out or going to a tanning salon.[/quote]
I personally disagree
So does JM and Skip apparently
The darker you are the darker the tan is going to look
And apparently the darker the better
Its not a life changer though[/quote]
melanotan II
used to be pale and blonde… now im dark and brunette lol no joke[/quote]
It’s also nice that if you stop using, the tan will stay (completely unassisted by more MTII or tanning) for 5-6 months.
I get a little worried though, I’m a Type II body and a good amount of moles got darker… that shit’s scary. Oh, “worth it or not?” once again.
I’m whiter than wolfe and my show is almost 8 weeks away, tips?[/quote]
I was in your position and tried to get some sun tanning in before the spray tanning… Its a complete waste of time. The spray on tan is so dark and (if you’re like me) you’d have to tan for WEEKS, maybe months, to even get a decent “base” … To have it completely overshadowed by the spray on stuff.
If you are going to spring for the spray on tan, or the at home paint on stuff, dont waste your time laying out or going to a tanning salon.[/quote]
I personally disagree
So does JM and Skip apparently
The darker you are the darker the tan is going to look
And apparently the darker the better
Its not a life changer though[/quote]
melanotan II
used to be pale and blonde… now im dark and brunette lol no joke[/quote]
It’s also nice that if you stop using, the tan will stay (completely unassisted by more MTII or tanning) for 5-6 months.
I get a little worried though, I’m a Type II body and a good amount of moles got darker… that shit’s scary. Oh, “worth it or not?” once again.[/quote]
meh… mine got a little darker… and i got a new tiny dark spot right under my eye…
