Sorry about the “text speak” lol im on holidays from school so haven’t lifted a pen for quite some time haha
If pain is not a measure of success, is DOMS not a signal from your own body of micro-tears in your muscle fibre? And if there is no DOMS then does it not mean no micro-tears in the muscle?
True… but it isn’t as simple as that. DOMS isn’t fully understood i believe anyway.
If you train 3x a week hard enough, you will get doms after each session lasting 24-48 hours or whatever…
But i have found, if i up the freq. to 5-6 times a week, same intensity, then doms seems to become less pronounced, much less. But i am progressing at just the same rate, faster even due to the higher frequency of training the full body.
so i isnt as simple as that.
Also, more to the point - eccentric training will give a major doms response but doesnt give a proportionate growth effect.
Joe
by the way, if you kept training your chest and arms, you will end up with back problems. Your chest will be pulling your shoulders in while your weak back will not be able to take the imbalance thus causing bad posture and back pain.
yeh thats the classic example of a hunchback, after I did my deadlift on sunday till now my hamstrings have been feeling more pain than anywhere else, my lower back did feel the pain but its nearly recovered now, my hams are far from healed tho, did I do it wrong? I didnt do it stiff-legged, and my body type is mesomorph if that helps…
Guys, its my workout day today, any recommendations on a workout? Bearing in mind my hams and back hurt and Ive already trained my biceps this week?
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I barely train my biceps, but from hitting my back intesnely, they’re doing just fine. Provided you’re doing basics, chins, rows, deads, and seriously pushing for progress (heavier weights, eating well etc), not only will your back grow, but your bis, forearms, and traps.
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I tend to agree with above. I do train my biceps; however, i have a lot more emphasis on certain big lifts such as bench, squats, deadlifts, etc. I do not believe you can get big biceps without the big core lifts even if you are doing double the sets for biceps vs. other body parts.
I am unsure of your specific workout relating to other bodyparts; but i believe you may want at least twice the sets for other “big” body parts (including legs) compared to your bi’s if you want big bi’s; just mo and something you should think about as you seem to placing a lot of focus on getting you bi’s bigger through more sets for bi’s; but dont forget about the other bodyparts as they mabye even more important to getting big bi’s
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Guys, its my workout day today, any recommendations on a workout? Bearing in mind my hams and back hurt and Ive already trained my biceps this week?[/quote]
Doesn’t sound like you’re “training”. Sounds like you’re just “working out”. Do you understand the difference???
Still waiting for those squat and DL numbers.
TNT
What IS the difference between the two? I actually dont know…
Well I’ve never really concentrated on squatting and deadliffting, only started since this thread, I did around 40-50kg on DL for starting on sunday and will keep increasing, as for squatting I do 20kg dumbells each side so 40kg?
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
What IS the difference between the two? I actually dont know…
Well I’ve never really concentrated on squatting and deadliffting, only started since this thread, I did around 40-50kg on DL for starting on sunday and will keep increasing, as for squatting I do 20kg dumbells each side so 40kg?[/quote]
Hey, so far it looks like you’re very receptive, that’s good. Be open to advice here, follow it, stick around for a couple years, and you’ll see serious results.
As others have said, you need to stop worrying so much about the guns, and focus on your big lifts where you move a lot of iron (squats, deadlifts, bench, rows, pullups/chinups, military press), and everything will come along nicely IF you eat and sleep enough. If and when you stop gaining weight, strength, and size, eat more, no matter how much you already are eating. Here’s a suggestion; set specific goals, for example:
2x bodyweight squat
2.5x bodyweight deadlift
1.5x bodyweight bench
Accomplish those goals, then see where you’re at, and go from there. Ok?
Sounds like you’re OK on the deadlift. I’d be much more worried about it if you’re back was still hurting and your hamstrings were fine. Keep the stress on your hamstrings as much as you can.
Yes my lower back has fully recovered now, yesterday I worked my upper body: Bench press (65kg), incline dumbell press (20kg dumbells), decline dumbell press (18kg dumbells), upright barbell row (25kg), triceps seated overhead dumbell extension (18kg) and dumbell kickback. Sore all over, took a maximuscle shake within 20minutes of workout, ate shit loads after aswell and at around 2am had a huge bowl of nuts with milk… Im not even a hard gainer, im a mesomorph, I on holidays at the moment but im at school next week so rest will only be around 7-8hours…
Finally did my squat workout, squatted around 60kg, its ok for a start I guess, also used the leg press machine 90kg, legs ache today
by the way, if you kept training your chest and arms, you will end up with back problems. Your chest will be pulling your shoulders in while your weak back will not be able to take the imbalance thus causing bad posture and back pain.
That is correct. Anyway training your back will make u lift a lot more, increase ur proportion symmetry and overall thickness. Your back comprimises 70% of your upper body. The best upper back exercise is the weighted chinup. The best lower and middle back exercise is the straight legged deadlift-be careful with those, they require proper technique.
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Yes my lower back has fully recovered now, yesterday I worked my upper body: Bench press (65kg), incline dumbell press (20kg dumbells), decline dumbell press (18kg dumbells), upright barbell row (25kg), triceps seated overhead dumbell extension (18kg) and dumbell kickback. Sore all over, took a maximuscle shake within 20minutes of workout, ate shit loads after aswell and at around 2am had a huge bowl of nuts with milk… Im not even a hard gainer, im a mesomorph, I on holidays at the moment but im at school next week so rest will only be around 7-8hours…[/quote]
You keep that up for the next 10 years, you’ll be good to go. 17 - 27 and that goes fast!
Joe
Does stress stop me from gaining sufficient amounts of muscle? Ive heard that stress stimulates the release of catabolic hormones, and at my age the stress of exams,girlfriends lol etc…
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Go straight to the Beginners forum and read the stickies. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200. Quit worrying about your biceps so much. Focus on building the whole body and the rest will take care of itself.
If you haven’t made progress in a while you probably need to switch up your program, eat more, or both.
By the way, just how “HUGEEE” is this brother of yours who trains once in two weeks? What’s his height/weight compared to yours?[/quote]
I did not make any gains on my arms until I learned the magic of the split routine. I would do my arms on Monday then the next day my squats, DLs, and hams. The T boost you get from the squat plus what is happening to your body after your arms workout will help you grow.
I recently upped the amount I eat in a day, and I have gained a stone and a half, thats 21 lbs in 2 weeks I’ve gained, squat is now 200 lbs, deadlift is 176 lbs, bench press is 176 lbs. I weigh 155 lbs now, I weighed 145 lbs about 2 weeks ago and I doubt alot of it is fat
You and your brother do realize in a couple of years your going to give the hunchback of Notre Dame a run for his money ???
You NEED to do some back work !
Don’t put yourself down as a mesomorph just yet. Although your only 17, a proper mesomorphs lift’s at your weight would most likely be higher, and the chances are your a ecto-meso or something in between. Thinking your a meso is a much better mentality to have however than the guys who assume they’re just really hard gaining ecto’s that will never put on weight.
Also you need to train the whole body so its good from all angles! There is no point having big arms and chest, as pretty much every angle except the side (and without strong shoulders or thick back) you won’t look very strong, I should know, that guy used to be me!
And as a side note the girls around where i live (sydney australia) absolutely go crazy for muscular backs, and I’m talking about girls as young as 15 (who are supposed to find big muscle’s gross) going nuts when they see them.
So training your back with things like deads, chins and rows is essential.
Also small legs just look silly, I mean come on!