'Bodybuilders Ain't Strong'

[quote]NvrTooLate wrote:
Stuntman Mike wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
Watched the videos of Ronnie Coleman… his form sucks!

I’m afraid it’s too late for you.

At 11:37 on a tuesday night, thats the funniest thing I’ve read in a few hours

:frowning:

Oh, wait is this where I’m supposed to retaliate with an insult? After reading some of these threads, I’ve noticed how one person will insult another then an arguement will ensue. It’s so easy to give a hard time to some people under the cloak of anonymity.

I’m sorry, Ronnie Coleman is yoked but his form is terrible. I’m sorry if he’s you’re hero.[/quote]

i actually hope you’re a troll because if theres someone living and breathing who actually believes what you just said then the world is sadder place.

[quote]Liv92 wrote:

You need to get off your high throne.
[/quote]

You seriously put that pic in your avatar up for everyone to look at? I don’t look as good as a lot of these guys (no homo), so I just skip the avatar thing, but I would never put anything up that looked like that.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
I think it’s safe to say that most bodybuilders probably couldn’t do what powerlifters do and most powerlifters couldn’t do what bodybuilders do.

They train differently so they’re going to be better at different things.

In all honesty, I have never seen a serious powerlifter act like 250lbs bodybuilders are weak. It is usually only coming from guys who are nowhere near that size and never have been who saw some huge bodybuilder using a lighter weight in the gym and jumped to the conclusion that this was ALL they could do.

I warm up for nearly 10 min when training biceps. If some idiot thought the weight he saw me move during that period was ALL I could do then I can see why this stupidity lasted so long.

I know many larger bodybuilders who NOW use lighter weight in an effort to feel the muscle more and stimulate more growth through volume…but that heavy weight is what got them that big in the first place.

I just have never seen the guy with the 55" muscular chest who can’t bench press 300lbs. This does not seem to occur in nature.[/quote]

Exactly. Too many people see someone with size training for 5 minutes at the gym and think they know how they train. Or how they got where they are. Doesn’t work like that. Plus, both the older I get and the heavier weight I lift, the more warmup I do. I find it necessary to both feel really good and avoid injury. If someone just saw the beginning sets, they wouldn’t get it.

[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
Stuntman Mike wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
Watched the videos of Ronnie Coleman… his form sucks!

I’m afraid it’s too late for you.

At 11:37 on a tuesday night, thats the funniest thing I’ve read in a few hours

:frowning:

Oh, wait is this where I’m supposed to retaliate with an insult? After reading some of these threads, I’ve noticed how one person will insult another then an arguement will ensue. It’s so easy to give a hard time to some people under the cloak of anonymity.

I’m sorry, Ronnie Coleman is yoked but his form is terrible. I’m sorry if he’s you’re hero.

i actually hope you’re a troll because if theres someone living and breathing who actually believes what you just said then the world is sadder place.[/quote]

o.k. I’m willing to admit that I’m wrong. Maybe form doesn’t really matter if you’re that big. Just for my own learning (no really) can someone explain to me how his form is correct? Try to keep the ad hominen at a minimum.

[quote]NvrTooLate wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
Stuntman Mike wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
Watched the videos of Ronnie Coleman… his form sucks!

I’m afraid it’s too late for you.

At 11:37 on a tuesday night, thats the funniest thing I’ve read in a few hours

:frowning:

Oh, wait is this where I’m supposed to retaliate with an insult? After reading some of these threads, I’ve noticed how one person will insult another then an arguement will ensue. It’s so easy to give a hard time to some people under the cloak of anonymity.

I’m sorry, Ronnie Coleman is yoked but his form is terrible. I’m sorry if he’s you’re hero.

i actually hope you’re a troll because if theres someone living and breathing who actually believes what you just said then the world is sadder place.

o.k. I’m willing to admit that I’m wrong. Maybe form doesn’t really matter if you’re that big. Just for my own learning (no really) can someone explain to me how his form is correct? Try to keep the ad hominen at a minimum. [/quote]

i dont know what ad hominen means, dont try to ostricize me fucker.

you do the reps there to keep more tension on the muscles. when you lock out A) the muscle targeting shifts from your pecs to your triceps/shoulders B) you take tension off the muscle and place it onto your elbows.

try it out sometime.

[quote]NvrTooLate wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
Stuntman Mike wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
Watched the videos of Ronnie Coleman… his form sucks!

I’m afraid it’s too late for you.

At 11:37 on a tuesday night, thats the funniest thing I’ve read in a few hours

:frowning:

Oh, wait is this where I’m supposed to retaliate with an insult? After reading some of these threads, I’ve noticed how one person will insult another then an arguement will ensue. It’s so easy to give a hard time to some people under the cloak of anonymity.

I’m sorry, Ronnie Coleman is yoked but his form is terrible. I’m sorry if he’s you’re hero.

i actually hope you’re a troll because if theres someone living and breathing who actually believes what you just said then the world is sadder place.

o.k. I’m willing to admit that I’m wrong. Maybe form doesn’t really matter if you’re that big. Just for my own learning (no really) can someone explain to me how his form is correct? Try to keep the ad hominen at a minimum. [/quote]

Maybe because the way he did it helped get him enormous. Therefore, by pure logic his form is awesome, because he is fucking awesomely huge…

Just throwing that out there.

[quote]NvrTooLate wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
Stuntman Mike wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
Watched the videos of Ronnie Coleman… his form sucks!

I’m afraid it’s too late for you.

At 11:37 on a tuesday night, thats the funniest thing I’ve read in a few hours

:frowning:

Oh, wait is this where I’m supposed to retaliate with an insult? After reading some of these threads, I’ve noticed how one person will insult another then an arguement will ensue. It’s so easy to give a hard time to some people under the cloak of anonymity.

I’m sorry, Ronnie Coleman is yoked but his form is terrible. I’m sorry if he’s you’re hero.

i actually hope you’re a troll because if theres someone living and breathing who actually believes what you just said then the world is sadder place.

o.k. I’m willing to admit that I’m wrong. Maybe form doesn’t really matter if you’re that big. Just for my own learning (no really) can someone explain to me how his form is correct? Try to keep the ad hominen at a minimum. [/quote]

Just… just shut up. I was going to write more but… just leave. Go. Now!

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
Stuntman Mike wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
Watched the videos of Ronnie Coleman… his form sucks!

I’m afraid it’s too late for you.

At 11:37 on a tuesday night, thats the funniest thing I’ve read in a few hours

:frowning:

Oh, wait is this where I’m supposed to retaliate with an insult? After reading some of these threads, I’ve noticed how one person will insult another then an arguement will ensue. It’s so easy to give a hard time to some people under the cloak of anonymity.

I’m sorry, Ronnie Coleman is yoked but his form is terrible. I’m sorry if he’s you’re hero.

i actually hope you’re a troll because if theres someone living and breathing who actually believes what you just said then the world is sadder place.

o.k. I’m willing to admit that I’m wrong. Maybe form doesn’t really matter if you’re that big. Just for my own learning (no really) can someone explain to me how his form is correct? Try to keep the ad hominen at a minimum.

Maybe because the way he did it helped get him enormous. Therefore, by pure logic his form is awesome, because he is fucking awesomely huge…

Just throwing that out there.
[/quote]

yeah

lets see, Ronnie Coleman is the biggest and winningest bodybuilder ever.

so we have two options here:

ronnie coleman knows how to train to be big

ronnie coleman became the biggest and most winningest bodybuilder by accident.

[quote]NvrTooLate wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
Stuntman Mike wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
Watched the videos of Ronnie Coleman… his form sucks!

I’m afraid it’s too late for you.

At 11:37 on a tuesday night, thats the funniest thing I’ve read in a few hours

:frowning:

Oh, wait is this where I’m supposed to retaliate with an insult? After reading some of these threads, I’ve noticed how one person will insult another then an arguement will ensue. It’s so easy to give a hard time to some people under the cloak of anonymity.

I’m sorry, Ronnie Coleman is yoked but his form is terrible. I’m sorry if he’s you’re hero.

i actually hope you’re a troll because if theres someone living and breathing who actually believes what you just said then the world is sadder place.

o.k. I’m willing to admit that I’m wrong. Maybe form doesn’t really matter if you’re that big. Just for my own learning (no really) can someone explain to me how his form is correct? Try to keep the ad hominen at a minimum. [/quote]

Again his form is PERFECT for hypertrophy. Ronnie Coleman is one of the most muscular men ever. 280-290 pounds at 5’10" in contest shape, 3-4% bodyfat. His traaining career could be considered the most successful ever giving him 8 Mr. Olympia wins. Instead of crtiquing his form, because you are no where near as accomplished as him as far a physique goals. how about you learn a thing or two and realize,

A, His squat and deadlift form were spot on.

B, He doesn’t lock out his bench presses because he’s training chest it’s pointless to go the last few inches into lockout because it doesn’t work the chest nearly as much as the triceps. This also makes the movement harder.

If you need any more explaining than, I have no doubt you will not go far as a bodybuilder, or whatever you trying to do.

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
Stuntman Mike wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
Watched the videos of Ronnie Coleman… his form sucks!

I’m afraid it’s too late for you.

At 11:37 on a tuesday night, thats the funniest thing I’ve read in a few hours

:frowning:

Oh, wait is this where I’m supposed to retaliate with an insult? After reading some of these threads, I’ve noticed how one person will insult another then an arguement will ensue. It’s so easy to give a hard time to some people under the cloak of anonymity.

I’m sorry, Ronnie Coleman is yoked but his form is terrible. I’m sorry if he’s you’re hero.

i actually hope you’re a troll because if theres someone living and breathing who actually believes what you just said then the world is sadder place.

o.k. I’m willing to admit that I’m wrong. Maybe form doesn’t really matter if you’re that big. Just for my own learning (no really) can someone explain to me how his form is correct? Try to keep the ad hominen at a minimum.

Again his form is PERFECT for hypertrophy. Ronnie Coleman is one of the most muscular men ever. 280-290 pounds at 5’10" in contest shape, 3-4% bodyfat. His traaining career could be considered the most successful ever giving him 8 Mr. Olympia wins. Instead of crtiquing his form, because you are no where near as accomplished as him as far a physique goals. how about you learn a thing or two and realize,

A, His squat and deadlift form were spot on.

B, He doesn’t lock out his bench presses because he’s training chest it’s pointless to go the last few inches into lockout because it doesn’t work the chest nearly as much as the triceps. This also makes the movement harder.

If you need any more explaining than, I have no doubt you will not go far as a bodybuilder, or whatever you trying to do.[/quote]

I don’t need anymore expaining. Point taken. I was wrong. Thanks for the education. You really don’t need to cut me down, lighten up.

[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
Stuntman Mike wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
Watched the videos of Ronnie Coleman… his form sucks!

I’m afraid it’s too late for you.

At 11:37 on a tuesday night, thats the funniest thing I’ve read in a few hours

:frowning:

Oh, wait is this where I’m supposed to retaliate with an insult? After reading some of these threads, I’ve noticed how one person will insult another then an arguement will ensue. It’s so easy to give a hard time to some people under the cloak of anonymity.

I’m sorry, Ronnie Coleman is yoked but his form is terrible. I’m sorry if he’s you’re hero.

i actually hope you’re a troll because if theres someone living and breathing who actually believes what you just said then the world is sadder place.

o.k. I’m willing to admit that I’m wrong. Maybe form doesn’t really matter if you’re that big. Just for my own learning (no really) can someone explain to me how his form is correct? Try to keep the ad hominen at a minimum.

i dont know what ad hominen means, dont try to ostricize me fucker.

you do the reps there to keep more tension on the muscles. when you lock out A) the muscle targeting shifts from your pecs to your triceps/shoulders B) you take tension off the muscle and place it onto your elbows.

try it out sometime. [/quote]

If it’ll make you feel better, I had to look it up in order to make sure I was spelling it right.

Cheesy vid, but look at the weight Levrone’s benching with such a crazy-close grip( and makes it look like a feather)

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
Liv92 wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
First, as I’ve pointed out earlier, comparing to sets that aren’t mutually exclusive is stupid. Let’s compare sports cars to 2 door cars and argue which is better. There is way too much overlap to make an intelligent comparison.

All you can really compare is individual people.

I also know the reason people start this argument. It was a little thing I picked up on living in Mississippi.

I’m from Atlanta, went to Georgia Tech, and like my college football. When I moved out to Mississippi, I was around people of 2 persuasions, MSU and Ole Miss. For those unaware of the south east college football scene, GT is in the ACC and ole miss and MSU are in the SEC. The 2 conferences hate each other. And yes, the SEC is in general the better football conference (though GT has 5 SEC titles on its’ resume). Whenever I would get into a discussion about said football and about who was better, both state and ole miss fans would always resort to 1 and only 1 argument. They would argue conference rather than team. Why? Because their teams sucked. They had to brag about of other teams in their conference, because that was the only argument they could make.

You see people that generally start the debate about whose sport is stronger, do so because they themselves are weak. Rather than let their accomplishments speak for themselves, they have to try brag about the abilities of others. That way a 130 pound skinny fat teenager curling his fisher price dumbbells in the squat rack can criticize the strength of a guy who is lifting more weight than they can even claim through a keyboard.

The point of this thread was to show that heavy lifting is what builds muscle. I also pointed out that many of these guys were or are powerlifters. I know that Levrone and Ronnie have powerlifting history, and Jackson is a powerlifter.

The intent was not to start a debate, who is stronger, powerlifters or bodybuilders.

In all honesty people act as though powerlifters and bodybuilders are two different breeds of human being, but in all honesty we are all the same, and there are going to be extremely strong bodybuilders and powerlifters alike.

I have no problem admitting either that I am not as strong as any of the guys I mentioned, because at 19 years old I’d be in the record books if I moved the weight Ronnie could.

I am comfortable enough to know that I am stronger than the majority of adults and definitely the lare majority of my peers that lift, so I hope your post was not directed at me because you would be very mistaken.

You need to get off your high throne.

You need to take down your avatar picture because you’re a bitch.[/quote]

Haha i’ve been training for half a year, at least I got the balls to put my pic unlike some of these other people. Give me a couple of years bro.

Second Idc how much you bench or curl pussy, your chin don’t have any muscle. :slight_smile:

And all the other little dick eaters, thanks for doing your jobs. ;]

Pound for pound powerlifters are stronger. If that was not the case then powerlifters would start reading Flex magazine. Logic ends many a thread. It should any way.

[quote]Liv92 wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
Liv92 wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
First, as I’ve pointed out earlier, comparing to sets that aren’t mutually exclusive is stupid. Let’s compare sports cars to 2 door cars and argue which is better. There is way too much overlap to make an intelligent comparison.

All you can really compare is individual people.

I also know the reason people start this argument. It was a little thing I picked up on living in Mississippi.

I’m from Atlanta, went to Georgia Tech, and like my college football. When I moved out to Mississippi, I was around people of 2 persuasions, MSU and Ole Miss. For those unaware of the south east college football scene, GT is in the ACC and ole miss and MSU are in the SEC. The 2 conferences hate each other. And yes, the SEC is in general the better football conference (though GT has 5 SEC titles on its’ resume). Whenever I would get into a discussion about said football and about who was better, both state and ole miss fans would always resort to 1 and only 1 argument. They would argue conference rather than team. Why? Because their teams sucked. They had to brag about of other teams in their conference, because that was the only argument they could make.

You see people that generally start the debate about whose sport is stronger, do so because they themselves are weak. Rather than let their accomplishments speak for themselves, they have to try brag about the abilities of others. That way a 130 pound skinny fat teenager curling his fisher price dumbbells in the squat rack can criticize the strength of a guy who is lifting more weight than they can even claim through a keyboard.

The point of this thread was to show that heavy lifting is what builds muscle. I also pointed out that many of these guys were or are powerlifters. I know that Levrone and Ronnie have powerlifting history, and Jackson is a powerlifter.

The intent was not to start a debate, who is stronger, powerlifters or bodybuilders.

In all honesty people act as though powerlifters and bodybuilders are two different breeds of human being, but in all honesty we are all the same, and there are going to be extremely strong bodybuilders and powerlifters alike.

I have no problem admitting either that I am not as strong as any of the guys I mentioned, because at 19 years old I’d be in the record books if I moved the weight Ronnie could.

I am comfortable enough to know that I am stronger than the majority of adults and definitely the lare majority of my peers that lift, so I hope your post was not directed at me because you would be very mistaken.

You need to get off your high throne.

You need to take down your avatar picture because you’re a bitch.

Haha i’ve been training for half a year, at least I got the balls to put my pic unlike some of these other people. Give me a couple of years bro.

Second Idc how much you bench or curl pussy, your chin don’t have any muscle. :slight_smile:

And all the other little dick eaters, thanks for doing your jobs. ;]
[/quote]

And then Austin_Bicep looks at the young mans avatar and shakes his head.

The kid’s been training for half a year he says to himself, but joins a bodybuilding forum racks up a 120 posts within 2 months, so he must think he knows what he’s doing.

Then I look at his lats, fuck he has none.

He also realizes how his waist and chest probably measure the same amount, a common symptom of forgeting to lift weights.

His bicep, the mere 12 inches it is, is smaller than most of the women who have put stats up in the ‘Arm size for Powerful Women’ thread. Ohh he must be jealous, I’m sure those ladies vaginas are much more actve than his too. Sad, but true.

And I won’t mention any of his other bodyparts that he is missing.

The question comes to my mind, does he think my chin is fat, or does he think he could hit me hard and make me cry because it is weak, or maybe that I run my mouth?

He’s probably just mad that I would kick his ass, that I would lift more than him, that I pull more bitches than him.

It’s hard, but I refrain from getting angry, actions speak louder than words, muscle is muscle, strength is strength. I have both and you don’t.

Anyways Ronnie Coleman and Kevin Levrone are King.

[quote]Liv92 wrote:

Haha i’ve been training for half a year, at least I got the balls to put my pic unlike some of these other people. Give me a couple of years bro.

Second Idc how much you bench or curl pussy, your chin don’t have any muscle. :slight_smile:

And all the other little dick eaters, thanks for doing your jobs. ;]
[/quote]

[quote]Liv92 wrote:

You need to take down your avatar picture because you’re a bitch.

Haha i’ve been training for half a year, at least I got the balls to put my pic unlike some of these other people. Give me a couple of years bro.

Second Idc how much you bench or curl pussy, your chin don’t have any muscle. :slight_smile:

And all the other little dick eaters, thanks for doing your jobs. ;]
[/quote]

everyone who commented about you has pics and half of them have vids.

and im pretty sure all of them can overhead press what you bench.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
mr popular wrote:
Professor X wrote:
mr popular wrote:
Personally I am much more impressed by someone who can bench 405lbs, with little arch, for 10 reps (or even 10 partials off the chest), than I am by seeing someone bench 500lbs with a huge arch, using leg drive, a super-wide grip, tucked elbows, and bringing the bar down to their belly.

LOL.

I can do more than 405 for 10 reps and I STILL find benching 500 fucking pounds for that many reps to be impressive.

Few people have enough strength in their arms, shoulders or chest to even HOLD that much weight, let alone rep out with it.

Give credit where credit is due.

I wasn’t referring to the Ben White video, obviously that was a pretty incredible feat of strength.

I was talking about the people who criticize bodybuilders for repping out heavy weights, stating that they aren’t really “strong” because other people can bench 100lbs more than them… when in reality the bench press they’re referring to is a 4 inch range of motion.

I would go as far as to say that bodybuilders are stronger than powerlifters in many many areas.

I do agree with that.

When I write I use 450lbs, I mean I use that much for reps (usually getting about 8-10 reps depending how carbed up I am and how rested). When others speak of their “bench”, they are usually referring to how much they do for one rep…usually with a spotter.

There is no doubt that the guy working on bettering his form who can press 400lbs for 10 reps is way stronger than the guys who bench that much for only one assisted rep.
[/quote]

Not calling you out, but it would be cool to see a member of T-Nation actually lifting some big weight, have any vids?

[quote]Cprimero wrote:

Cheesy vid, but look at the weight Levrone’s benching with such a crazy-close grip( and makes it look like a feather)[/quote]

Freaky Peak & Extra Burn + Hint of Homo = that video

[quote]NvrTooLate wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
Stuntman Mike wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
Watched the videos of Ronnie Coleman… his form sucks!

I’m afraid it’s too late for you.

At 11:37 on a tuesday night, thats the funniest thing I’ve read in a few hours

:frowning:

Oh, wait is this where I’m supposed to retaliate with an insult? After reading some of these threads, I’ve noticed how one person will insult another then an arguement will ensue. It’s so easy to give a hard time to some people under the cloak of anonymity.

I’m sorry, Ronnie Coleman is yoked but his form is terrible. I’m sorry if he’s you’re hero.

i actually hope you’re a troll because if theres someone living and breathing who actually believes what you just said then the world is sadder place.

o.k. I’m willing to admit that I’m wrong. Maybe form doesn’t really matter if you’re that big. Just for my own learning (no really) can someone explain to me how his form is correct? Try to keep the ad hominen at a minimum.

Again his form is PERFECT for hypertrophy. Ronnie Coleman is one of the most muscular men ever. 280-290 pounds at 5’10" in contest shape, 3-4% bodyfat. His traaining career could be considered the most successful ever giving him 8 Mr. Olympia wins. Instead of crtiquing his form, because you are no where near as accomplished as him as far a physique goals. how about you learn a thing or two and realize,

A, His squat and deadlift form were spot on.

B, He doesn’t lock out his bench presses because he’s training chest it’s pointless to go the last few inches into lockout because it doesn’t work the chest nearly as much as the triceps. This also makes the movement harder.

If you need any more explaining than, I have no doubt you will not go far as a bodybuilder, or whatever you trying to do.

I don’t need anymore expaining. Point taken. I was wrong. Thanks for the education. You really don’t need to cut me down, lighten up.[/quote]

NvrTooLate, Coleman explained before that one of the reasons he managed to keep his joints healthy despite lifting heavy into his 40’s is that he practices not locking out on pushing movements. And like others have said the pumps are huge when you do your reps this way.