[quote]dt79 wrote:
Woh… where is this going? You cant gain fat with a caloric surplus?[/quote]
What are you talking about?
I want to make sure I understand your post before I reply.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/288/4/E768.full
Who knew that packing on more subcutaneous adipose tissue also means more visceral and liver fat!
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Obesity is a “condition”. Yes, we are aware that OBESE PEOPLE have increased intra-abdominal fat.
That does not mean that everyone who gains subcutaneous fat sees a proportional increase in VISCERAL BODY FAT.[/quote]
ProfX the paper just defines obesity just as added fat mass and nothing else. It showed in people with the same genetics(twins) that if one is carrying more fat overall they will carry more visceral and liver fat.
“In conclusion, study of MZ twin pairs discordant for obesity showed that obesity, defined as an increase in body weight that is mostly due to subcutaneous fat mass is associated with increases in intra-abdominal and liver fat and insulin resistance.”
I agree that if person A is a sedentary has a few beers everyday kind of guy at B body fat and C weight he will carry more of that fat as visceral compared to if the same person at the same body fat and weight was hitting the gym 4-6 days a week avoiding alcohol and sugary treats.
However if a person see increases in subcutaneous fat there will be increases in visceral fat given the rest of his behavior remains consistent. How much? I’m not sure but its likely related to the lifestyle of the person.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Seriously?
Gaining fat has nothing to do with a poor diet and lack of sufficient exercise?
This is unreal.
Is this real life?
[/quote]
No, gaining fat does NOT mean you always have a poor diet and don’t exercise.
Sorry if you thought otherwise.
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
ProfX the paper just defines obesity just as added fat mass and nothing else. It showed in people with the same genetics(twins) that if one is carrying more fat overall they will carry more visceral and liver fat.
“In conclusion, study of MZ twin pairs discordant for obesity showed that obesity, defined as an increase in body weight that is mostly due to subcutaneous fat mass is associated with increases in intra-abdominal and liver fat and insulin resistance.”
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No. The study looked at twins where one was OBESE and the other was not (which is what DISCORDANT means).
It found that the OBESE TWIN had more intra-abdominal fat.
Which is what I have said from the start.
[quote]
However if a person see increases in subcutaneous fat there will be increases in visceral fat given the rest of his behavior remains consistent. How much? I’m not sure but its likely related to the lifestyle of the person.[/quote]
This is simply not true in all cases and even if there is an increase, the increase of intra-abdominal fat alone is NOT the issue or concern. HIGH intra-abdominal aft and obesity are the issues.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Seriously?
Gaining fat has nothing to do with a poor diet and lack of sufficient exercise?
This is unreal.
Is this real life?
[/quote]
No, gaining fat does NOT mean you always have a poor diet and don’t exercise.
Sorry if you thought otherwise.[/quote]
That’s not what you said. You said it has NOTHING to do with a poor diet and lack of exercise. Huge difference. Jesus, you even manipulate YOU YOURSELF say so you can “win” arguments that you create. Craziness.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Seriously?
Gaining fat has nothing to do with a poor diet and lack of sufficient exercise?
This is unreal.
Is this real life?
[/quote]
No, gaining fat does NOT mean you always have a poor diet and don’t exercise.
Sorry if you thought otherwise.[/quote]
That’s not what you said. You said it has NOTHING to do with a poor diet and lack of exercise. Huge difference. Jesus, you even manipulate YOU YOURSELF say so you can “win” arguments that you create. Craziness.[/quote]
Gaining body fat is NOT directly related to poor diet and lack of exercise.
Someone can have a GOOD DIET and EXERCISE DAILY and gain body fat.
If any of you are arguing against this, you need to stop wasting the time of everyone else on this board.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Seriously?
Gaining fat has nothing to do with a poor diet and lack of sufficient exercise?
This is unreal.
Is this real life?
[/quote]
No, gaining fat does NOT mean you always have a poor diet and don’t exercise.
Sorry if you thought otherwise.[/quote]
That’s not what you said. You said it has NOTHING to do with a poor diet and lack of exercise. Huge difference. Jesus, you even manipulate YOU YOURSELF say so you can “win” arguments that you create. Craziness.[/quote]
Gaining body fat is NOT directly related to poor diet and lack of exercise.
Someone can have a GOOD DIET and EXERCISE DAILY and gain body fat.
If any of you are arguing against this, you need to stop wasting the time of everyone else on this board.[/quote]
Wow. Think it’s time to check the nitrous gauges in your office, doc. There appears to be a leak.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
Woh… where is this going? You cant gain fat with a caloric surplus?[/quote]
What are you talking about?
I want to make sure I understand your post before I reply.[/quote]
He means that many of us on this very site are eating in a caloric surplus so some fat gain may be seen…and none of it means the person has a poor diet or lacks exercise.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
Woh… where is this going? You cant gain fat with a caloric surplus?[/quote]
What are you talking about?
I want to make sure I understand your post before I reply.[/quote]
He means that many of us on this very site are eating in a caloric surplus so some fat gain may be seen…and none of it means the person has a poor diet or lacks exercise.[/quote]
“Good” diet and exercise are arbitrary. In the context of the discussion about heart disease, a “bad” diet would be one that would increase the risk of heart disease. If your diet is clean but because of surplus is leading to fat gain (especially “gut” fat), it is by definition bad. Saying a diet is “good” when it is increasing the risk of heart disease in a thread about heart disease is absurd. Excess is part of diet and excess (surplus) in context is bad.
So yes, eating too much can make a diet bad. Diet isn’t just food choice. What reason on Earth is there to ignore quantity when evaluating overall impact of a diet?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
“Good” diet and exercise are arbitrary. In the context of the discussion about heart disease, a “bad” diet would be one that would increase the risk of heart disease. If your diet is clean but because of surplus is leading to fat gain (especially “gut” fat), it is by definition bad. Saying a diet is “good” when it is increasing the risk of heart disease in a thread about heart disease is absurd. Excess is part of diet and excess (surplus) in context is bad.
So yes, eating too much can make a diet bad. Diet isn’t just food choice. What reason on Earth is there to ignore quantity when evaluating overall impact of a diet? [/quote]
Gaining any body fat is bad now?
WTF?
None of this shit you are spouting is science. It is your own made up opinion.
No, gaining any body fat at all does not mean it is a health risk. That is what this entire discussion has been about.
Maybe you should try reading it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
“Good” diet and exercise are arbitrary. In the context of the discussion about heart disease, a “bad” diet would be one that would increase the risk of heart disease. If your diet is clean but because of surplus is leading to fat gain (especially “gut” fat), it is by definition bad. Saying a diet is “good” when it is increasing the risk of heart disease in a thread about heart disease is absurd. Excess is part of diet and excess (surplus) in context is bad.
So yes, eating too much can make a diet bad. Diet isn’t just food choice. What reason on Earth is there to ignore quantity when evaluating overall impact of a diet? [/quote]
Gaining any body fat is bad now?
WTF?
None of this shit you are spouting is science. It is your own made up opinion.
No, gaining any body fat at all does not mean it is a health risk. That is what this entire discussion has been about.
Maybe you should try reading it.[/quote]
That isn’t necessary for your post to be dumb. The debate is about fat gain and health yes.
You separated weather a diet was “good” or “bad” from food quantity. You called a diet “good” when the primary debate point contends that the diet would increase the risk of heart disease. When in context surplus, fat gain, and heart disease risk would certainly need to be included in evaluating how “good” a diet was.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
That isn’t necessary for your post to be dumb. The debate is about fat gain and health yes.
You separated weather a diet was “good” or “bad” from food quantity. You called a diet “good” when the primary debate point contends that the diet would increase the risk of heart disease. When in context surplus, fat gain, and heart disease risk would certainly need to be included in evaluating how “good” a diet was. [/quote]
Gaining body fat in itself has NOT been shown to increase the risk of heart disease.
We just went through that in this thread.
If you are claiming otherwise, you are making up “bro science” that is unsupported.
Ah, okay. It is now proven and accepted by all in this thread that gaining bodyfat does not increase the risk of heart disease. Thanks for clearing that up Dr. Unicorn.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
That isn’t necessary for your post to be dumb. The debate is about fat gain and health yes.
You separated weather a diet was “good” or “bad” from food quantity. You called a diet “good” when the primary debate point contends that the diet would increase the risk of heart disease. When in context surplus, fat gain, and heart disease risk would certainly need to be included in evaluating how “good” a diet was. [/quote]
Gaining body fat in itself has NOT been shown to increase the risk of heart disease.
We just went through that in this thread.
If you are claiming otherwise, you are making up “bro science” that is unsupported.
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Show some studies that support that gaining body fat does not increase the risk of disease. Pretty please
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Ah, okay. It is now proven and accepted by all in this thread that gaining bodyfat does not increase the risk of heart disease. Thanks for clearing that up Dr. Unicorn.[/quote]
lol
It’s funny because his go to move is shouting “that’s not proven by science!!!” but when asked to post scientific proof that fat gain is healthy the studies never appear.
No study will be acceptable because they aren’t done on black doctors from Texas that have been in at least two serious motorcycle a accidents but kept training anyway all while receiving a free airplane ride to Colorado at least once.
Until you show me a conclusive study based on that focus group your studies are invalid.
What we have learned so far:
Gaining fat makes you healthier
Fat gain doesn’t effect the risks of CVD
Gaining fat has NOTHING to do with a poor diet and insufficient exercise.
Everything that contradicts this isn’t even science.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
That isn’t necessary for your post to be dumb. The debate is about fat gain and health yes.
You separated weather a diet was “good” or “bad” from food quantity. You called a diet “good” when the primary debate point contends that the diet would increase the risk of heart disease. When in context surplus, fat gain, and heart disease risk would certainly need to be included in evaluating how “good” a diet was. [/quote]
Gaining body fat in itself has NOT been shown to increase the risk of heart disease.
We just went through that in this thread.
If you are claiming otherwise, you are making up “bro science” that is unsupported.
[/quote]
Show some studies that support that gaining body fat does not increase the risk of disease. Pretty please[/quote]
We just had plenty in this thread NOT showing this. Read it again.
It would seem most posters here do seem to understand what was written.
You on the other hand seem to just be arguing because it is me.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Ah, okay. It is now proven and accepted by all in this thread that gaining bodyfat does not increase the risk of heart disease. Thanks for clearing that up Dr. Unicorn.[/quote]
I doubt anyone cares if everyone in this thread accepts anything.
This is about what’s true and what isn’t.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Gaining body fat in itself has NOT been shown to increase the risk of heart disease.
We just went through that in this thread.
If you are claiming otherwise, you are making up “bro science” that is unsupported.
[/quote]
/thread
The magic unicorn has spoken.