Blood Work Post PCT. Extremely Low Test

Pharma / TRT
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Hey guys, I need some advice on what I should do from here. I am 22 and this was my second cycle. the first was the exact same except it went perfect with no drawbacks.

Nov 2012: test and Tren cycle 8 weeks longs, in 7th week of cycle had ED and very upset/moody. ended cycle right away

Jan 2013: did proper PCT. 10 000iu HCG nolva clomid. recovery only for about 2-3 weeks and then was at same stage as before :confused:

July 2013: finally got hands on PCT material, another 10 000iu HCG nolva clomid

finished that and was ok with sex drive on and off for a few weeks, then it was gone again, and since then I have had little to no luck with erections and no libido.just got last weeks blood work back.

the results are as follows:

total test:7 pref range: 8-29 low ,off the chart :frowning:
bio available test:1.5 pref range: 3-9 low ,off the chart :frowning:
SHBG:26 pref range:13-70
LH:2 pref range:1.5-9
FSH:3 pref range:1.5-18
Prolactin:12.5 pref range:2-17
Estradoil:70 pref range: 50-200

as you can see im normally in the lower range of everything, but I am completely off the lower end of the chart for test and bio available test. Im not sure what to do now.
I have already done 20,000iu HCG in the last year. this is making me pretty nervous and upset, I was convinced that after my second pct I would recover :frowning:

EDIT:: time frame for pct was: week 1-3 1000iu EoD till all 10000iu was used.
week 1-6 was nolva 20mg/daily and clomid 50mg/daily
so these over lap clearly, clomid and nolva for 3 weeks with HCG and for 3 weeks after HCG on its own.

my doctor is suggest HRT, but it has a high risk to cause infertility he says and where I am only 22 and would like to have kids later on, this is not a great choice I dont think.

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Were you running the hcg at the same time as the Nolva clomid?

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TRT is probably your only choice at this point. You can continue to ride it out for how ever want and pray but your most likely not going to improve a ton more. This is why you should have done your research. These drugs are nit a fucking joke and will leave you fucked for a life time if your unlucky and apparently you were unlucky.

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[quote]BUDs wrote:
Were you running the hcg at the same time as the Nolva clomid?[/quote]

Oh damn good point I didn’t even catch that. Could easily explain why he is still suppressed.

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Could be other things effecting you as well. People can still have kids on TRT and using hcg along with TRT increases the chance as well.

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time frame for pct was:
week 1-3 1000iu EoD till all 10000iu was used.
week 1-6 was nolva 20mg/daily and clomid 50mg/daily
so these over lap clearly, clomid and nolva for 3 weeks with HCG and for 3 weeks after HCG on its own.

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[quote]an737926 wrote:
time frame for pct was:
week 1-3 1000iu EoD till all 10000iu was used.
week 1-6 was nolva 20mg/daily and clomid 50mg/daily
so these over lap clearly, clomid and nolva for 3 weeks with HCG and for 3 weeks after HCG on its own.[/quote]

You do realize that HCG is to be used on cycle? Not during PCT. HCG will shit you down as well. RESEARCH.

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i understand now that HCG is best used DURING cycle, not in our PCT.
it was worded to me before as, it is easier to keep your tires inflated as you drive, as opposed to letting them run empty and then trying to built them back up.
which makes sense. but that i neither here nor there. if there is a next time I will know.

but the question is what can i do now?
should i try another HCG/clomid/nolva burst or just wait and see if levels increase on there own?

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Try another burst but without the HCG…clomid/nolva only. change your source if you haven’t already done so as well, though if you are getting scammed for nolva/clomid you really need to evaluate your life decisions.

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[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
Try another burst but without the HCG…clomid/nolva only. change your source if you haven’t already done so as well, though if you are getting scammed for nolva/clomid you really need to evaluate your life decisions.[/quote]

This

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I second bunk PCT source. I dont know what the logic behind using HCG while your still on is. I wasnt very educated when I got on, and now that its over 3 years later and I have been jackin hard for most of those 3 years, im trying HCG with letro 3 weeks, then following with nolva clomid. Only came off once before with clomid only and I was fine, no blood work but my dick worked and I was still horny. This time im going for the full panel. Heart check up, blood work and PCT hard.

I was under the impreaaion HCG was used to bring your testicles out of their atrophied state, so when you begin nolva and clomid, your boys are home so they can do their job and contribute to the functioning loop that is the HTPA. In laymans terms anyway.

But look on the bright side, if you are fucked for life, HRT with HCG if sperm count and motility are low, the HCG should improve the count and motility. There is plenty of huys on HRT making kids. Hell I dont care if my levels are fine or not, when I hit 30 imma pretty much go that route anyways. But then again im not exactly the smartest kid on t nation. Listen to the vets and you should be fine. Either way you have lots of options, the pharma life aint so bad

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any other opinions?

IF! I decide to go on HRT, I heard the standard is 200mg to 300mg/weekly(test E). 10 weeks on 10 weeks off.
if I did that for a few cycles and then would it be worth trying another eiter hcg/clomid/nolva burst or perhaps just clomid for a month or so and see if my natty test returns?

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IMO try every trick in the book before even considering TRT.
Tren is extremely suppressive, I was shutdown for a good year post-Tren.
Like others have said, get some pharm-grade SERM’s and re-run a PCT.

TAPER OFF THE SERM’s. Although it is not preached here much any more, tapering is the ONLY way I will ever come off gear ever again when I use in the future.

SB

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[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
IMO try every trick in the book before even considering TRT.
Tren is extremely suppressive, I was shutdown for a good year post-Tren.
Like others have said, get some pharm-grade SERM’s and re-run a PCT.

TAPER OFF THE SERM’s. Although it is not preached here much any more, tapering is the ONLY way I will ever come off gear ever again when I use in the future.

SB[/quote]

I second the taper

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tapering off the clomid you meen?
if i was to re do another pct burst of jusr clomid and nolva it would likely go as follows i assume( please inform or say other wise if i am wrong)

week 1, 100mg clomid daily
week 2-6 50mg daily
week 1-6 20mg nolva daily

not sure how u could taper the clomid off more as it normally comes in 50mg caps?

cheers

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You could always split up the caps or I think some people will dilute it in 1ml of vodka and do it like that

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[quote]an737926 wrote:
Hey guys, I need some advice on what I should do from here. I am 22 and this was my second cycle. the first was the exact same except it went perfect with no drawbacks.

Nov 2012: test and Tren cycle 8 weeks longs, in 7th week of cycle had ED and very upset/moody. ended cycle right away

Jan 2013: did proper PCT. 10 000iu HCG nolva clomid. recovery only for about 2-3 weeks and then was at same stage as before :confused:

July 2013: finally got hands on PCT material, another 10 000iu HCG nolva clomid

finished that and was ok with sex drive on and off for a few weeks, then it was gone again, and since then I have had little to no luck with erections and no libido.just got last weeks blood work back.

the results are as follows:

total test:7 pref range: 8-29 low ,off the chart :frowning:
bio available test:1.5 pref range: 3-9 low ,off the chart :frowning:
SHBG:26 pref range:13-70
LH:2 pref range:1.5-9
FSH:3 pref range:1.5-18
Prolactin:12.5 pref range:2-17
Estradoil:70 pref range: 50-200

as you can see im normally in the lower range of everything, but I am completely off the lower end of the chart for test and bio available test. Im not sure what to do now.
I have already done 20,000iu HCG in the last year. this is making me pretty nervous and upset, I was convinced that after my second pct I would recover :frowning:

EDIT:: time frame for pct was: week 1-3 1000iu EoD till all 10000iu was used.
week 1-6 was nolva 20mg/daily and clomid 50mg/daily
so these over lap clearly, clomid and nolva for 3 weeks with HCG and for 3 weeks after HCG on its own.

my doctor is suggest HRT, but it has a high risk to cause infertility he says and where I am only 22 and would like to have kids later on, this is not a great choice I dont think.[/quote]

hey i’m new on the forum. I’m french so sorry for my bad english.

Few years ago i got in my hand deca and what was supposed to be test e. After few week of strange side effect (night sweat, bp, insomnia) i realised the test e was in fact tren e. SO in fact i run together two nor 19 coumpound. i ran 10 week, from october to november.I did a regular pct. It took me 8 month to get a decent boner. I’ve been in bed with lady and can’t get a boner for 8 month, even when i tried to jerk off i can’t get a boner. During these 8 month i ran again clomid, and then nolva again, but nothing happened. Finally during june i did a shot with one ml of omna and one ml of test e. My erection came back, and my libido too, and everything went ok. Strange but true, injecting test help me to recover from that horrible pass. I’ll never ran tren. At one point of that nightmare i though i’ll be down for ever.

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I discovered a bit late that few ppl never recover from test deca tren cycle. I recovered, lucky i am.

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interesting, never heard of someone cycling again to bring them selves back up

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[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]BUDs wrote:
Were you running the hcg at the same time as the Nolva clomid?[/quote]

Oh damn good point I didn’t even catch that. Could easily explain why he is still suppressed.[/quote]

also, how could this explain why Im still surpressed? i ran my clomid/nolva during hcg yes, but also for another good 4 weeks after hcg was done, clomid/nolva was still run on there own.